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  • marge12
    SBR Rookie
    • 08-21-09
    • 5

    #1
    Bwin problem
    Hello. I am new to this forum, non english-speaker and never had any problems with gaming companies before.

    But for now i have one. Bwin has not paid me 1544 USD since march, blocked my account for "investigation", and currently my account still on "investigation" and when i try to log in, i see "This account has been disabled. Please contact our Support Team." . They does not replying my e-mails and i have no other method to contact them, except this forum (and maybe i will write to casinomeister, as i have played in casino) and ecogra.

    I opened an account with bwin 13.feb.09. Deposited about 600 USD. Played some casino games and my balance became 1544 USD. On 07.03.09 i requested a withdrawal. On 13.03.09, after i realized withdrawal was not paid and my account became blocked account, i contacted support about this.

    I received a reply

    "Thank you for your patience.

    In order to progress with your account query we will require you to send us a copy of your recent credit card bank statement.

    You can send us this copy by fax to 0043 1 585 60 44 18. Please write down your user ID on the copy.

    Alternatively you may send it via e-mail attachment to: support.en@bwin.com, although bwin accepts absolutely no responsibilty if there is a breach of security by sending sensitive information via such means."
    I sent a recent credit card bank statement as required (ID and actual card copies were uploaded to site long time ago). Next message from bwin, 3.04.09

    "Thank you for your e-mail dated 27.03.2009, the copy of your credit card statement and we apologise for the delay in answering your query.

    Please be advised that in order to progress with your account query we further require you to send us a copy of your utilitu bill by fax to 0043 1 585 60 44 18. Please write down your user ID on the copy and make sure that your name and your address are legible.

    We apologise for any inconvenience caused and we kindly ask for your cooperation in the matter.

    Should you have any further queries please do not hesitate to contact us.

    Kind regards,"
    It was clearly written to send bill by fax, so i sent it by fax, in the middle of the april for the first time, and in the middle of may. Both times there was no respond from bwin, and i decided to send the same via e-mail.
    At least they will have to answer it, and i will have proofs. I sent it in e-mail 09.07.09.
    Reply from bwin -
    "Thank you for your e-mail and for sending in your documents.
    We have received your query regarding the review of your bwin account and this has now been forwarded to the relevant department. They will be investigating this case for you. We kindly ask for your patience as they provide us with the relevant information. In the meantime, we regret to inform that your account will remain temporarily blocked.
    Please note, that we are unable to comment on the grounds of the blocking
    Please see our Terms and conditions
    " 4. The company reserves the right to exclude users from participating in any of the games of bwin International Ltd. at its discretion."
    ( https://www.bwin.com/help.aspx?mode=...gb_allgemeines)
    We apologise for any inconvenience caused and thank you for your continued cooperation."
    And again 11.07.09

    Thank you for your e-mail.
    We regret to inform you that your account is still currently under investigation. As soon as the investigation is finished, we will contact you again.
    We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause.
    Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any further queries.
    Kind regards,
    Your bwin customer service team
    bwin acknowledges its commitment to responsible gaming
    Well, as i wrote in the begining - now my account at the same point, at "investigation". I also wrote them (i have different payment methods on account, i thought maybe they "investigating" this) - you can pay to any - bank account, card, moneybookers - any method you would like to pay. But again, nice rule - " 4. The company reserves the right to exclude users from participating in any of the games of bwin International Ltd. at its discretion.". We are invetigating! - what, why so long?? - i cant say this!/
    All details in my bwin account - correct. Name is the same for card and moneybookers. For some reason they wrote Mr. in e-mails instead of Mrs, but its their problem. It is clearly visible from my ID that i am a woman.

    I waited so long because i'm to soft. I should wrote about this many time ago, maybe after 2-3 weeks of this "investigation". My mistake.

    If you can, help me with this! Username at bwin "marg..2" (some letters inside)
  • Reload
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 03-23-08
    • 12244

    #2
    Thanks for letting us know, marge. I will discuss this with The General today and we will be in touch.
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    • BWINcomFraud
      SBR High Roller
      • 06-24-09
      • 140

      #3
      Defamatory statements removed.
      Last edited by Justin7; 09-01-09, 10:27 AM.
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      • head_strong
        SBR MVP
        • 07-02-08
        • 4318

        #4
        BWINcomFraud you ever have any problems with that site yourself .....you must really hate them to make that your screen name.
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        • BWINcomFraud
          SBR High Roller
          • 06-24-09
          • 140

          #5
          This is my score on spotting a pedophile from the first time, not bad.

          You guessed 12 of 19 correctly (%63.2). Your grade: C-
          Out of 3,009,824 people who took this test, the average score is: %48.3
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          • BWINcomFraud
            SBR High Roller
            • 06-24-09
            • 140

            #6
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            Last edited by Justin7; 09-01-09, 11:36 AM.
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            • head_strong
              SBR MVP
              • 07-02-08
              • 4318

              #7
              I hear ya, I have a strong hate for sites like this myself, and very little tolerance with these scams.....
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              • BWINcomFraud
                SBR High Roller
                • 06-24-09
                • 140

                #8
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                Last edited by Justin7; 09-01-09, 10:28 AM.
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                • marge12
                  SBR Rookie
                  • 08-21-09
                  • 5

                  #9
                  By the way, i received the following 3 hours ago (as a respond to my mail sent 7 days ago, when this thread was created)

                  Thank you for your e-mail.

                  Your account has been closed for security reasons and will not be re-opened.

                  Below please find the relevant extract from our terms and conditions. You can also find these on the help pages of our homepage under "Legal Matters / General Terms and Conditions / General Terms / Liability/data processing" or under the following link:

                  https://help.bwin.com/General/Legal/...aspx#liability

                  The company reserves the right to exclude users from participating in any of the games of bwin International Ltd. at its discretion.

                  To transfer your account balance to your bank account please send us the following details:

                  - Name of bank
                  - Account number
                  - Branch code
                  - Swift and IBAN-Code
                  - Account holder
                  - Answer to your private question

                  We apologise for any inconvenience this decision may cause.

                  Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any further queries.

                  Kind regards,

                  Your bwin customer service team

                  bwin acknowledges its commitment to responsible gaming

                  So it seems they are going to pay. I will know this for sure in 7 days.

                  For victims of all bookmakers - please write about your problems it here and there, write to ecogra, IGC, LGA, gibraaltar, write on as many forums you can. They can't not pay attention to this. That costs them much more, than 100$-2k$ they stolen or trying to stole from you.

                  Bwin still remains evil. They should not be rated C. D is fine.
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                  • BWINcomFraud
                    SBR High Roller
                    • 06-24-09
                    • 140

                    #10
                    It seems that Bwin's reaction is like a favour to return your money back, stolen money after 5 months of keeping it.
                    If you would not write here, they would never return it, it again shows that theft of client's funds is a top down approach, ordered my the management. They steal and then they wait what will happen. Also what worsens the situation that GRA, ECOGRA will not help the situation, but how come they? They live from the budget offshore betting companies pay them to exist, good cop, bad cop organized crime offshore cartels. The only good thing is that Bwin will go bust and Real Madrid will not renew the contract, I already wrote to Mr. Florentino Perez stating all concerns with Bwin's fraudulent practices. I am sure my letter was received as on the same day my Bwin blog had a visit from Madrid. SBR please rate this doubtful book a F like ****.
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                    • Justin7
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 07-31-06
                      • 8577

                      #11
                      Marge,

                      Fill out a complaint here:


                      I have handled hundreds of Bwin complaints, and I have never seen them steal from a player.
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                      • bad_ass
                        Restricted User
                        • 10-31-08
                        • 112

                        #12
                        Keep us update thanks
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                        • anaindia85
                          SBR Rookie
                          • 05-16-09
                          • 5

                          #13
                          bwin payd you?

                          hello marge, i had the same problem , exackly 5 minths ago.

                          they now also put some justice on the mater and asked my account info to transfer the balance.

                          question , DID THEY PAYD YOU?

                          i sent yesterday my account details.

                          thanks and best regards
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