I have a Mexico book I use and I know in the past I've seen them create big middles for themselves on various lines for games, on an NBA All Star or Finals game even creating a several point middle with big juice in both directions on a 2nd half. I saw that when their lines were available on line a few years ago. Their lines are no longer available on line, but I'm seeing much the same thing when I place window bets as I have confirmed over the past few days.
You see they have some new computers where you can see on the screen the spread on a game. And at one particularly outlet (they have about 15 in town) they love to call in to harass me when I try to wager, likely as they are racist among other reasons.
Thus, with the new computers I can see the lines in both directions they are trying to give me -- and this weekend I saw them calling in before they would take even small wagers of mine -- and I saw them not only move the line to screw me based upon the way I wanted to bet, but create a middle of half a point up to 4 points for themselves on the game i am trying to bet. The machine gives the lines prior to them calling in. Then I try to make a bet at those lines, and then a several minute process of them screwing around ensues. When I find out they are doing it I cancel bets, but it wastes my time.
Yesterday I liked the early XFL minus 4.5, the XFL unders, and then especially the NBA All Star Under 315, Giannis plus 6.5, and then Oregon minus 12, but they pulled the middling thing moving my line to minus 12.5 while leaving it plus 12 the other way for Utah. I could see it on the screen now with the new computers they have where I can see the lines in each direction. I suspected they were pulling this sort of thing before, and saw it sometimes as with the All Star or Finals NBA game when they had about a 5 point middle for themselves plus negative juice in each direction when I could see their lines on line.
Would this sort of thing be legal in Nevada? Or do the gambling regulators prohibit this sort of practice in Nevada? I presume Mexico has the same laws and regulations.
By the way, all of this trouble is started by an apparently racist chain smoking little manager man, who is actually in charge of machines and generally not the books, but he has become physically violent and weird, and screwed with many non Mexican customers to chase away their business. For the books associated with a couple places where he manages the machines he has the ability to screw with your bets and initiates this "disconnecting" of the odds for games to give you bad lines in both directions, etc. I presume some of his smoking buddies at the same location where he works and he all get together on this.
But is it legal for them to be "disconnecting" the lines?
They never refuse my bets, just want to make sure I'll get really lousy lines no matter which way I bet on a game. And when the little racist smoking man is involved, or his minions, I can't even get a bet in for a small amount before they move the lines altogether and change the lines before they will let me bet.
Other management of the same outfit is fair, and lets me bet at least once before the people with the power to change the lines are advises so they can change the lines for any subsequent bets, which seems possibly okay.
But the changing the lines before I'm allowed to make any bet seems possibly illegal.
Definitely illegal is creating substantial middles for themselves with points for a middle for them and negative juice in both directions.
I want to emphasize, their criminality, misconduct, and dishonesty should not reflect negatively on the Mexican people as a whole, who are wonderful and honest people -- I'd say much moreso than people in the USA (especially if you stay away from the ones who speak English -- I've never had a problem with a Mexican who didn't speak English. There is a significant percentage of thieves among the English speakers -- many in that culture having been deported from the USA after learning to speak English in prison and such, for example.)
The little racist smoking man has an extra incentive to try to chase off any larger players at the book -- as doing so will help get the numbers down at the books which can lead to the reduction or elimination of the books altogether, giving more resources and power to the machine gaming (and maybe tables), the machine gaming being what he is in charge of. Thus, if the book gamblers go away, especially the larger players justifying the books' existence, the little angry racist smoking man would have much more power and likely make more money. He's actually working against the interests of his own employer in doing this, but he's very dishonest. He's even had the books he has influence in because they have machines -- he's had them refuse to cash my tickets and have armed security chase me around when I have just been trying to cash tickets. The little angry smoking Mexican man has chased away many many other non Mexican customers this way, reducing the volume of bets at the books. It seems both racist and calculated to give him more power. He's the reason why when I make bets some managers have to call before any bet, and then they split the lines giving themselves middles, move all my lines for what I want to bet before I'm even allowed to make a bet and more.
They have a new system where they don't bet with money, but instead you put money on a card. Yesterday when they split the lines on the NBA All Star Game to create a middle after a tried to bet (after they call in my bet they betting people do this -- they split the total from 315 for over first to 313 for under and then down to 311 for under creating a 4 point middle for themselves right after I tried to make a small parlay bet, 3 teams. Any case, they did this and since they moved the lines I cancelled my bet, or attempted to do so, and gave the manager the ticket back. In the old system with money being paid I just wouldn't give the money, but with the new system as they charged my card to give me the ticket, unless they cancel the ticket I gave back due to them moving the lines prior to giving me my bet -- unless they cancel it they can just steal my money, which I believe they did yesterday as well.
This is criminal and illegal. Is there a phone number, email, ets., for the gambling regulatory authority in Mexico to make a complaint? IF they didn't cancel my ticket yesterday and just kept my money instead -- that's straight on thievery -- a crime the police should deal with.
Interesting here is when I gave the ticket back as they moved the lines the teller needs to cancel the ticket and put the money back on the card. However, the manager, who is the little sister of a higher up in the outfit, instead took my ticket to the back while she was talking on the telephone. I'm going to try to check today, or in the next few days, to see what the balance is on my card to know if the funds went back on my card or not. I have no way to tell in their brand new system less than a month old. But in this system they can steal money from my card without my knowing. They may have done just that, and may be doing that to many people with their new system. I'll check and get back on that. It looks like this new system of theirs may allow the managers, tellers, and others to steal from the players without the players even knowing. It was odd that my ticket was not cancelled, but instead the manager employed through nepotism took my ticket to the back. I don't know if my funds ever got back on my card. I do know the ticket win (3 teamer) in spite of them changing the odds to create a middle for themselves just because I am trying to bet.
It's apparent to me the little angry racist smoking Mexican man wants me to go away. I'm amazed the management at this place hasn't already dealt with him. They apparently don't want to be in business very badly. I just don't get it. It's very bad business chasing customers away as he has, and apparently his conduct and that of his minions is also criminal and illegal. I'm quite certain it must violate gambling regulations.
I've also had several managers steal from me at this outfit over the years (they have about 15 shops), and still have some tickets they never cashed screwing around years ago. Those things seemed plausibly explainable, but this recent conduct moving and splitting lines creating middles for themselves is likely illegal (is it?). I can see the split lines now on the new computers they have -- you can see the middles on the bets they create for themselves.
And now with the new money on the card system, it may be easy for them to steal, and I'll check to see if that's what that manager did yesterday.
Any case, I want to emphasize again -- this isn't about the Mexican people as a whole -- the most honest, nicest people I've ever known. It's just a few racist, dishonest, lying, and/or thieving ones who probably needs to be dealt with as they apprear to be breaking the law, possibly committing crimes as well.
No way to run a book, huh?
Who regulates the Mexican books and how may I reach them by phone or email?
Please advise if anyone knows.
You see they have some new computers where you can see on the screen the spread on a game. And at one particularly outlet (they have about 15 in town) they love to call in to harass me when I try to wager, likely as they are racist among other reasons.
Thus, with the new computers I can see the lines in both directions they are trying to give me -- and this weekend I saw them calling in before they would take even small wagers of mine -- and I saw them not only move the line to screw me based upon the way I wanted to bet, but create a middle of half a point up to 4 points for themselves on the game i am trying to bet. The machine gives the lines prior to them calling in. Then I try to make a bet at those lines, and then a several minute process of them screwing around ensues. When I find out they are doing it I cancel bets, but it wastes my time.
Yesterday I liked the early XFL minus 4.5, the XFL unders, and then especially the NBA All Star Under 315, Giannis plus 6.5, and then Oregon minus 12, but they pulled the middling thing moving my line to minus 12.5 while leaving it plus 12 the other way for Utah. I could see it on the screen now with the new computers they have where I can see the lines in each direction. I suspected they were pulling this sort of thing before, and saw it sometimes as with the All Star or Finals NBA game when they had about a 5 point middle for themselves plus negative juice in each direction when I could see their lines on line.
Would this sort of thing be legal in Nevada? Or do the gambling regulators prohibit this sort of practice in Nevada? I presume Mexico has the same laws and regulations.
By the way, all of this trouble is started by an apparently racist chain smoking little manager man, who is actually in charge of machines and generally not the books, but he has become physically violent and weird, and screwed with many non Mexican customers to chase away their business. For the books associated with a couple places where he manages the machines he has the ability to screw with your bets and initiates this "disconnecting" of the odds for games to give you bad lines in both directions, etc. I presume some of his smoking buddies at the same location where he works and he all get together on this.
But is it legal for them to be "disconnecting" the lines?
They never refuse my bets, just want to make sure I'll get really lousy lines no matter which way I bet on a game. And when the little racist smoking man is involved, or his minions, I can't even get a bet in for a small amount before they move the lines altogether and change the lines before they will let me bet.
Other management of the same outfit is fair, and lets me bet at least once before the people with the power to change the lines are advises so they can change the lines for any subsequent bets, which seems possibly okay.
But the changing the lines before I'm allowed to make any bet seems possibly illegal.
Definitely illegal is creating substantial middles for themselves with points for a middle for them and negative juice in both directions.
I want to emphasize, their criminality, misconduct, and dishonesty should not reflect negatively on the Mexican people as a whole, who are wonderful and honest people -- I'd say much moreso than people in the USA (especially if you stay away from the ones who speak English -- I've never had a problem with a Mexican who didn't speak English. There is a significant percentage of thieves among the English speakers -- many in that culture having been deported from the USA after learning to speak English in prison and such, for example.)
The little racist smoking man has an extra incentive to try to chase off any larger players at the book -- as doing so will help get the numbers down at the books which can lead to the reduction or elimination of the books altogether, giving more resources and power to the machine gaming (and maybe tables), the machine gaming being what he is in charge of. Thus, if the book gamblers go away, especially the larger players justifying the books' existence, the little angry racist smoking man would have much more power and likely make more money. He's actually working against the interests of his own employer in doing this, but he's very dishonest. He's even had the books he has influence in because they have machines -- he's had them refuse to cash my tickets and have armed security chase me around when I have just been trying to cash tickets. The little angry smoking Mexican man has chased away many many other non Mexican customers this way, reducing the volume of bets at the books. It seems both racist and calculated to give him more power. He's the reason why when I make bets some managers have to call before any bet, and then they split the lines giving themselves middles, move all my lines for what I want to bet before I'm even allowed to make a bet and more.
They have a new system where they don't bet with money, but instead you put money on a card. Yesterday when they split the lines on the NBA All Star Game to create a middle after a tried to bet (after they call in my bet they betting people do this -- they split the total from 315 for over first to 313 for under and then down to 311 for under creating a 4 point middle for themselves right after I tried to make a small parlay bet, 3 teams. Any case, they did this and since they moved the lines I cancelled my bet, or attempted to do so, and gave the manager the ticket back. In the old system with money being paid I just wouldn't give the money, but with the new system as they charged my card to give me the ticket, unless they cancel the ticket I gave back due to them moving the lines prior to giving me my bet -- unless they cancel it they can just steal my money, which I believe they did yesterday as well.
This is criminal and illegal. Is there a phone number, email, ets., for the gambling regulatory authority in Mexico to make a complaint? IF they didn't cancel my ticket yesterday and just kept my money instead -- that's straight on thievery -- a crime the police should deal with.
Interesting here is when I gave the ticket back as they moved the lines the teller needs to cancel the ticket and put the money back on the card. However, the manager, who is the little sister of a higher up in the outfit, instead took my ticket to the back while she was talking on the telephone. I'm going to try to check today, or in the next few days, to see what the balance is on my card to know if the funds went back on my card or not. I have no way to tell in their brand new system less than a month old. But in this system they can steal money from my card without my knowing. They may have done just that, and may be doing that to many people with their new system. I'll check and get back on that. It looks like this new system of theirs may allow the managers, tellers, and others to steal from the players without the players even knowing. It was odd that my ticket was not cancelled, but instead the manager employed through nepotism took my ticket to the back. I don't know if my funds ever got back on my card. I do know the ticket win (3 teamer) in spite of them changing the odds to create a middle for themselves just because I am trying to bet.
It's apparent to me the little angry racist smoking Mexican man wants me to go away. I'm amazed the management at this place hasn't already dealt with him. They apparently don't want to be in business very badly. I just don't get it. It's very bad business chasing customers away as he has, and apparently his conduct and that of his minions is also criminal and illegal. I'm quite certain it must violate gambling regulations.
I've also had several managers steal from me at this outfit over the years (they have about 15 shops), and still have some tickets they never cashed screwing around years ago. Those things seemed plausibly explainable, but this recent conduct moving and splitting lines creating middles for themselves is likely illegal (is it?). I can see the split lines now on the new computers they have -- you can see the middles on the bets they create for themselves.
And now with the new money on the card system, it may be easy for them to steal, and I'll check to see if that's what that manager did yesterday.
Any case, I want to emphasize again -- this isn't about the Mexican people as a whole -- the most honest, nicest people I've ever known. It's just a few racist, dishonest, lying, and/or thieving ones who probably needs to be dealt with as they apprear to be breaking the law, possibly committing crimes as well.
No way to run a book, huh?
Who regulates the Mexican books and how may I reach them by phone or email?
Please advise if anyone knows.
I thought it existed in a state of limbo under an old law that technically made it illegal for bettors.