Is This Bet Correctly Graded?

[ace7550]

I made a bet on tennis yesterday (Ivo Karlovic vrs Frances Tiafoe) and it got graded a "No Bet" because Karlovic retired because he had back issues and was taking a beat down. Tiafoe was up 2 sets to none and then Karlovic "retired" in the middle of the 3rd set. This was on GalaxySports.com. It's a Bookmaker clone so very reputable.
Their rules say:

"17. All sporting events must be played on date unless otherwise specified. If an event is postponed and/or rescheduled or a change of venue, the event will automatically constitute "no action," which means all monies for that event will be refunded (Unless sport specific rules state otherwise). All parlays/exotics will be recalculated excluding that leg of the parlay, using payout charts for that sport/betting option. Individual tennis matches have no action if the match is not fully completed due to withdrawal/incapacity or disqualification. If a match is rescheduled due to scheduling and weather problems bad light etc, then all wagers will have action and all wagers will stand."

I know that according to their rules they have the right to call it a "No Bet" but it still doesn't seem right. I messaged Sportsbetting.ag and asked how they graded it and they said they graded it a Win for Tiafoe. They are both top rated sites on SBR. Shouldn't they grade sporting events the same.

It's pretty frustrating that if I had just made the bet at Sportsbetting.ag it would have been a win...

[lonnie55]

I know that according to their rules they have the right to call it a "No Bet"

There you got your answer.

Shouldn't they grade sporting events the same.

No, each sportsbook has its specific tennis rules. There are mainly 4 different types of how a book can grade a tennis match if a player retires:

Tennis rules type 1 - Bets are valid if one set is completed.

Tennis rules type 2a - Bets are only valid if the full match is completed.

Tennis rules type 2b - Bets are only valid if the full match is completed, however matches do not need to be complete if a player is disqualified.

3 - Bets are valid as soon as the match starts and the player progressing to the next round will be deemed the winner. If the match fails to start, all bets will be void.

[DontTailMe]

Just imagine if you were on the losing end of that bet and the book decided to ignore their published rules and grade it a loss instead of a void. You’d be screaming bloody murder (and rightfully so).

The rules always dictate the correct action, even if they seem illogical to you. The rules were there before you committed the wager, and you didn't have to form a contract with them.

[5918mike]

It's a common tennis rule and yes frustrating when you pick a winner on his way to a win and the opponent quits but it's a correct grade for a lot of books.

[ace7550]

It's weird to me that two top notch books would grade the same sporting event differently but it is what it is. I don't think Galaxy is doing anything wrong here. I'm obviously just bummed that I was about to win the bet and because the guy's opponent whined about his back and quit I don't get paid.

[DontTailMe]

It's weird to me that two top notch books would grade the same sporting event differently but it is what it is. I don't think Galaxy is doing anything wrong here. I'm obviously just bummed that I was about to win the bet and because the guy's opponent whined about his back and quit I don't get paid.

This is very common. The major books have different rules on lots of things.

[semibluff]

I would expect books in those circumstances to pay on the outright winner but void spot bets, IE totals, set betting, margin of victory, etc. However, that's a 'general' opinion rather than a 'book specific' opinion. Whatever the individual book has as their rules should stand regardless of what the majority in the industry would do.

[Optional]

It's weird to me that two top notch books would grade the same sporting event differently but it is what it is. I don't think Galaxy is doing anything wrong here. I'm obviously just bummed that I was about to win the bet and because the guy's opponent whined about his back and quit I don't get paid.

It's actually an advantage for serious tennis bettors.

Being able to choose between 1 serve, 1 set or match complete rules to suit the situation.

When betting on a player with injury/fitness questions, you choose a match complete book. When betting against an injury cloud player, you want 1 ball or 1 set rules.

[MiDNiTe]

I recently had parmentier she was up 5-0 last set and pova retired it does suck sometimes as u follow the match for ages but those are the rules, kudla retired on mp imagine that i would be smashing stuff

[jtoler]

I recently had parmentier she was up 5-0 last set and pova retired it does suck sometimes as u follow the match for ages but those are the rules, kudla retired on mp imagine that i would be smashing stuff

which match was that

[MiDNiTe]

Was a challenger i dunno at least few years ago walked of the court

[chargers4222]

Was a challenger i dunno at least few years ago walked of the court

Couldn't find any record of that. If you want to see a brutal retirement, here is Dustin Brown up 7-6 5-2 last year. Hurt his back during a point and had to retire:

https://deadspin.com/a-tearful-dustin-brown-retires-from-match-after-back-in-1822803881

[ace7550]

Been betting tennis (and baseball) for a few years now. Never realized different books had different rules for tennis outcomes. Oh well. Learned something new. On to the next...

[LT Profits]

I made a bet on tennis yesterday (Ivo Karlovic vrs Frances Tiafoe) and it got graded a "No Bet" because Karlovic retired because he had back issues and was taking a beat down. Tiafoe was up 2 sets to none and then Karlovic "retired" in the middle of the 3rd set. This was on GalaxySports.com. It's a Bookmaker clone so very reputable.
Their rules say:

"17. All sporting events must be played on date unless otherwise specified. If an event is postponed and/or rescheduled or a change of venue, the event will automatically constitute "no action," which means all monies for that event will be refunded (Unless sport specific rules state otherwise). All parlays/exotics will be recalculated excluding that leg of the parlay, using payout charts for that sport/betting option. Individual tennis matches have no action if the match is not fully completed due to withdrawal/incapacity or disqualification. If a match is rescheduled due to scheduling and weather problems bad light etc, then all wagers will have action and all wagers will stand."

I know that according to their rules they have the right to call it a "No Bet" but it still doesn't seem right. I messaged Sportsbetting.ag and asked how they graded it and they said they graded it a Win for Tiafoe. They are both top rated sites on SBR. Shouldn't they grade sporting events the same.

It's pretty frustrating that if I had just made the bet at Sportsbetting.ag it would have been a win...

Sounds like their policy is match most be COMPLETED, so they graded correctly based on their rules. Other (MOST?) books only require one set to be complete to have action on money lines, and a few books even require only that first ball is served.

[PharaohUB]

It's actually an advantage for serious tennis bettors.

Being able to choose between 1 serve, 1 set or match complete rules to suit the situation.

When betting on a player with injury/fitness questions, you choose a match complete book. When betting against an injury cloud player, you want 1 ball or 1 set rules.

Do you know a reputable book that serves US Customers that has 1 ball rule? I haven't seen that.

[LT Profits]

Do you know a reputable book that serves US Customers that has 1 ball rule? I haven't seen that.

Maybe a bitcoin book or two but I have not seen USA facing fiat books with the one ball rule either. But Opti probably sees more of it on his side of the world.

[Optional]

Do you know a reputable book that serves US Customers that has 1 ball rule? I haven't seen that.

I knew someone would ask this

A poster made an awesome long list of books based on tennis rules a few years back and I searched and searched but could not find the thread.

There was only 2 or 3 books total that had the 1 ball for action rule on there and am pretty certain none were offshores.

[Optional]

@ Pharaoh... I found the thread. https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...portsbook.html


There is a lot more 1 ball rule books than I recalled. But this list is 5 or 6 years old, so you'll need to double check the book of course.


10bet - Void
188bet - Void
5dimes - 1 set
888sport - 1 ball
Admiral - Void
Bet Jamaica - 2 sets
Bet24 - Void
Bet365 - Void
Bet-at-Home - 1 ball
BetChronicle - 2 sets
BetClick - 1 ball
Betcris - Void
Betdaq - 1 set
Betfair - 1 set
Betfred - 1 set
BetGameDay - 1 set
BetGun - 1 ball
Betinternet - Void
BetKlass - 1 ball
Betliner - 1 set
Betonbet - 2 sets
BetOnline - 2 sets
Betoto - 1 ball
BetPhoenix - Void
BetRoyal - 2 sets
Bets4all - 1 ball
Betsafe - Void
Betsson - Void
Bettingstar24 - Void
Betway - Void
BlueSquare - 1 ball
Bodog - Void
Bookmaker - Void
Boylesports - Void
Bwin - 1 ball
Canbet - Void
CaribSports - Void
Centrebet - Void
Diamond - Void
Digibet - 1 set
Doxxbet - 1 ball
Eurobet - 1 ball
Expekt - 1 ball
Fonbet - 1 ball
Gamebookers - Void
Globet - Void
Goldbet - Void
IASbet - Void
Intertops - Void
Interwetten - 1 ball
Isibet - 1 ball
Jenningsbet - Void
Jetbull - 1 ball
Justbet - 2 sets
Ladbrokes - 1 ball
LeonBets - 1 set
LinesMaker - 2 sets
Matchbook - 1 set
Mybet - Void
Nine - 1 set
Nordicbet - Void
Paddy Power - Void
PartyBets - Void
Pinnacle - 1 set
QuickSliver - Void
RaceBook - 2 sets
RedBet - 1 set
SBObet - Void
Scandic - Void
Sky Bet - 1 set
Skybook - 2 sets
Sportbet - 2 sets
Sportingbet - 1 set
Sports-1 - Void
SportsBetting - 2 sets
SportsBook - 2 sets
SportsInteraction - Void
Stan James - Void
StarPrice - Void
Stryyke - 1 ball
Sunderlands - 1 set
SuperBook - 2 sets
TabSportsbet - Void
The Greek - 2 sets
TopSport - Void
Totesport - 1 set
Unibet - 1 set
Victor Chandler - Void
VikingBet - Void
VIP Sports - 1 set
Wagerweb - 2 sets
WBX Exchange - 1 set
Wettpunkt - Void
William Hill - Void
WinUnited - Void
Worldbet - 1 ball
WSEX - 1 set
YaBet - Void
YouWager - 2 sets
Zedbet - 1 set

Rules :

1 Ball - At least one point must be completed for bets to stand.
1 Set - At least one set must be completed for bets to stand.
2 Sets - At least two sets must be completed for bets to stand.
Void - All required sets must be completed for bets to stand.

[ace7550]

So it seems the obvious lesson to be learned here is that if you are going to bet on someone who's opponent is injury prone you might wanna do it at a 1 ball or 1 set book. Or vice versa if you are betting on someone injury prone.
Obviously if I had bet on the opposite player in this case I would have been pretty happy to see it graded a "no bet."

[shari91]

So it seems the obvious lesson to be learned here is that if you are going to bet on someone who's opponent is injury prone you might wanna do it at a 1 ball or 1 set book. Or vice versa if you are betting on someone injury prone.
Obviously if I had bet on the opposite player in this case I would have been pretty happy to see it graded a "no bet."

Yes. If you’re going to bet on tennis you need to have money in books with opposite rules especially during a Slam when books offer more lines and props. And as frustrating as it is for every time you get stung by a tennis rule you’ll end up profiting by being on the other side of it another time

[ace7550]

One last question. Why does it make sense for a book to have the "void" rule as opposed to a "1 ball" or "1 set" rule. The books don't care who wins or loses. They just make money off their juice. Aren't they losing money by voiding bets?
Wouldn't Galaxy have made more money in this case by grading the bet then by voiding it and making nothing?

[ace7550]

Yes. If you’re going to bet on tennis you need to have money in books with opposite rules especially during a Slam when books offer more lines and props. And as frustrating as it is for every time you get stung by a tennis rule you’ll end up profiting by being on the other side of it another time

And thank you Shari. I've gotten very lucky in these kinds of situations too.

[lonnie55]

One last question. Why does it make sense for a book to have the "void" rule as opposed to a "1 ball" or "1 set" rule.

Match-fixing could be one reason

[Optional]

One last question. Why does it make sense for a book to have the "void" rule as opposed to a "1 ball" or "1 set" rule. The books don't care who wins or loses. They just make money off their juice. Aren't they losing money by voiding bets?
Wouldn't Galaxy have made more money in this case by grading the bet then by voiding it and making nothing?

Takes out the risks of retirements for both sides.

Just being vanilla and careful.

1 ball books probably have their own tennis linesmen managing the risk, at a guess.