Help with a couple of super bowl prop bets grading (anyone have a recording?)

**prior22usaf** · 02-09-19, 01:53 PM

Hey man, yeah I took a look at my recorded version, and...

Believe it or not, Bon Jovi is shown on cam on return from the 2-minute warning. It actually was a shot of Kraft. The commentators didn't speak at all about Bon Jovi, but his face was shown for a split second sitting right behind Kraft.

At the 7 min. mark of the 4th quarter, Nance and Romo did talk talk about how Bellicheck was looking to be the oldest coach to win a Super Bowl and how Mcvay was looking to be the youngest.

So, I'd say yes on both bets. Hope that helps and Hope you ended up cashing.

**bubba** · 02-09-19, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by prior22usaf

Hey man, yeah I took a look at my recorded version, and...

Believe it or not, Bon Jovi is shown on cam on return from the 2-minute warning. It actually was a shot of Kraft. The commentators didn't speak at all about Bon Jovi, but his face was shown for a split second sitting right behind Kraft.

At the 7 min. mark of the 4th quarter, Nance and Romo did talk talk about how Bellicheck was looking to be the oldest coach to win a Super Bowl and how Mcvay was looking to be the youngest.

So, I'd say yes on both bets. Hope that helps and Hope you ended up cashing.

Thanks so much for that info!

**bubba** · 02-10-19, 10:36 AM

Unfortunately lowvig has ruled both these wagers as "no" being the winner. Jon Bon jovi was not shown on the screen and age gap was never mentioned. I have pinpointed the exact times for them to look at and begged them for an explanation. I have gotten virtually no answer other than "management decision is final" and "halftime does not apply".

Very frustrating experience. I can live with being wrong about these but I feel its unfair not to tell me WHY I am wrong here about these wagers.

**Optional** · 02-10-19, 11:16 AM

Just after the kickoff with 7 mins to go they say;

"Again, the two coaches. You got Belichick the first to win 5, trying to make it 6, trying to become the oldest to ever win a Superbowl. Going against the guy that everybody went at that had a job opening this year trying to find the next Sean McVeigh, 33 year old celebrated a birthday a couple days after the NFC championship win in New Orleans trying to become the youngest to ever hoist the Lombardi trophy"

I guess it is subjective if that is considered "mentioning the age gap". :\

**bubba** · 02-10-19, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Just after the kickoff with 7 mins to go they say;

"Again, the two coaches. You got Belichick the first to win 5, trying to make it 6, trying to become the oldest to ever win a Superbowl. Going against the guy that everybody went at that had a job opening this year trying to find the next Sean McVeigh, 33 year old celebrated a birthday a couple days after the NFC championship win in New Orleans trying to become the youngest to ever hoist the Lombardi trophy"

I guess it is subjective if that is considered "mentioning the age gap". :\

How would you grade it?

I just wish they acknowledge that they watched the tape and came to that conclusion. Every email response from them (every day or 2) makes me feel like they have not put much thought into there decision. I have severe doubts they watched the tape at the times in mention. If they did, the jon bon jovi wager would be properly graded by now (or id be given an explanation at least).

**Optional** · 02-10-19, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by bubba

How would you grade it?

I just wish they acknowledge that they watched the tape and came to that conclusion. Every email response from them (every day or 2) makes me feel like they have not put much thought into there decision. I have severe doubts they watched the tape at the times in mention. If they did, the jon bon jovi wager would be properly graded by now (or id be given an explanation at least).

They dont actually talk about "the gap" I guess if they want to be technical, but yeah, I'd pay you based on the oldest/youngest reference. I think you have a better argument than a NO bettor would have against a win grade for you.

I can't find a full replay on youtube that includes the split second bit of JBJ coming back from the ad break. But maybe someone with it taped will load that bit onto Youtube if they read this...

**Joey Vigs** · 02-10-19, 12:21 PM

Never bet these kind of props. All subjective and up to the books discretion

**bubba** · 02-10-19, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by Optional

They dont actually talk about "the gap" I guess if they want to be technical, but yeah, I'd pay you based on the oldest/youngest reference. I think you have a better argument than a NO bettor would have against a win grade for you.

I can't find a full replay on youtube that includes the split second bit of JBJ coming back from the ad break. But maybe someone with it taped will load that bit onto Youtube if they read this...

You would think they already have a recording of the game. Although maybe not having one is the reason they are unable to provide me with a reasonable explanation.

My mistake betting these and trusting them to grade these fairly (without hassle). Live and learn.

**rangerz2478** · 02-11-19, 01:24 AM

Originally posted by bubba

Unfortunately lowvig has ruled both these wagers as "no" being the winner. Jon Bon jovi was not shown on the screen and age gap was never mentioned. I have pinpointed the exact times for them to look at and begged them for an explanation. I have gotten virtually no answer other than "management decision is final" and "halftime does not apply".

Very frustrating experience. I can live with being wrong about these but I feel its unfair not to tell me WHY I am wrong here about these wagers.

No shock whatsoever to hear this is at lowvig, part of the betonline family. They are NOTORIOUS for this kind of thing on props. They grade to whatever benefits their side. PLENTY of clear cut “by the book” cases are reported on here where
anyone with half a brain can see was graded wrong and they are fishing for an angle. Many times they will fix it, but its abundantly clear what they do. They take the funds and have the customer jump through hoops talking to robot cs agents and get nowhere. Either the player gives up as they think they have no recourse (90%) or its posted here, they fix it (sometimes) and they look good for fixing a problem. Win/win for them.

**TheMoneyShot** · 02-11-19, 01:31 AM

Bubba...

I do remember on the Live feed.... Bon Jovi was in the picture. So, you should get a win for that.

The only issue with the "age gap" with McVay and Belichick. Most books for that prop.... said the announcers must say 33 years apart. Or mention one was 33 years old... and the other was 66.... same sequence.

So I don't recall the audio feed that mentions that.

**moojoo** · 02-11-19, 05:07 AM

Shouldnt age gap be when they precise age difference,age gap is not mentioning 1 is young and other is old.

**bubba** · 02-11-19, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by TheMoneyShot

Bubba...

I do remember on the Live feed.... Bon Jovi was in the picture. So, you should get a win for that.

The only issue with the "age gap" with McVay and Belichick. Most books for that prop.... said the announcers must say 33 years apart. Or mention one was 33 years old... and the other was 66.... same sequence.

So I don't recall the audio feed that mentions that.

I agree its debatable. I'd like to hear there stance. Considering yes was a big favorite, I'd think mentioning both coaches as oldest and youngest within 5 seconds should count but I agree its subjective. If they needed the number "33 "or word "gap" to 100% be mentioned, it should have said so in the ticket imo.

Bon Jovi wise- it's just embarrassing by customer service that I tell them the exact time on clock and get nowhere.

These wagers are pretty small compared to my overall balance. It's as much principal at this point. I'm just asking for an explanation. I'm just asking them to watch the replay at the times I have pinpointed for them. . I have severe doubts they have.

**Optional** · 02-11-19, 06:07 AM

If we can find a clip, I am sure SBR will speak to management if they still don't re-grade that JBJ one for you.

Anyone?

**dlknfdslknfdlskn** · 04-17-19, 03:48 PM

OP, saw you reply to my thread. Decided to screen grab for you:

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https://imgur.com/a/NNPXWVe

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**dlknfdslknfdlskn** · 04-17-19, 04:05 PM

https://streamable.com/193q4

**bubba** · 04-17-19, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by dlknfdslknfdlskn

https://streamable.com/193q4

wow, thanks for that. i cant see how they could deny any longer after seeing that but i dont currently have the time or energy to deal with their customer service right now.

**RudyRuetigger** · 04-17-19, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by dlknfdslknfdlskn

OP, saw you reply to my thread. Decided to screen grab for you:
https://imgur.com/a/NNPXWVe

good work guy

Originally posted by bubba

wow, thanks for that. i cant see how they could deny any longer after seeing that but i dont currently have the time or energy to deal with their customer service right now.

why dont you let sbr handle it

**stackz125** · 04-17-19, 05:04 PM

That bom jovi bet is defintely a winner based on that image. Idk about the age one. Could go both ways

**bubba** · 04-17-19, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

good work guy

why dont you let sbr handle it

I find it sad that a 3rd party would be needed to get this rectified.

This is the last I heard from them on the matter a few months ago after a long back and forth (by back and forth it means me sending and email, them taking 2 days to respond, my replying right back and then another 24-48 hours for each response) even linking this thread. I dont think they are intentionally thieves, i just think they dont know what they are doing.

"We certainly understand your concern in regards of your wager claim. We would like to inform you that unfortunately, no changes will be made, Book Management's decision is final.
We sincerely apologize for the inconveniences."

**eaglesfan371** · 04-17-19, 11:22 PM

Submit a claim with SBR. Provide your betslip and ALL supporting evidence in the initial claim.

They were able to get an error ticket graded correctly for someone for 2k on Bovada this week. They have a good relationship with them.

**rangerz2478** · 04-18-19, 03:27 AM

Originally posted by bubba

I find it sad that a 3rd party would be needed to get this rectified.

This is the last I heard from them on the matter a few months ago after a long back and forth (by back and forth it means me sending and email, them taking 2 days to respond, my replying right back and then another 24-48 hours for each response) even linking this thread. I dont think they are intentionally thieves, i just think they dont know what they are doing.

"We certainly understand your concern in regards of your wager claim. We would like to inform you that unfortunately, no changes will be made, Book Management's decision is final.
We sincerely apologize for the inconveniences."

They know exactly what they are doing.