Censorship in forums if you review a sponsor book?

**HedgeHog** · 10-28-18, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by goombah

To the internet tough guys hiding in mommy's basement and to the book that is not getting my action anymore. (I'd still love ya if you made me right)
https://imgur.com/UyxHnez

To be fair, you brought this on yourself. You start a thread seeking help but provide zero details, claiming an unfounded fear of censorship. My gut feeling is that you did something shady and got caught. Then you post a cryptic thread on SBR to test the waters.

**Foxx** · 10-28-18, 04:13 PM

Great thread, very entertaining. Rape, hitler, getting laid......has a little bit of everything.

**goombah** · 10-28-18, 05:41 PM

Brah, what is hard to figure out? I have screenshots, even from yesterday where they are putting me in an unsecure betting environment. The only thing I could do is log out, reset my password and try again. I have not logged in today and my second balance is probably at 0.

**HedgeHog** · 10-28-18, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by goombah

Brah, what is hard to figure out? I have screenshots, even from yesterday where they are putting me in an unsecure betting environment. The only thing I could do is log out, reset my password and try again. I have not logged in today and my second balance is probably at 0.

Brah, nobody gives a fuk anymore. File your complaint with SBR as directed.

**goombah** · 10-28-18, 09:10 PM

Thanks Hedgehog, although I lack the street credz like you. I have not heard anyone say if anything I said is untrue, I do not have a valid beef. Btw, what would you have done if you had 1.7k stolen out of your account? If you think I am trying to run scams for 1.7k, my last bet in the account that was compromised was for 1.5k. Why would I go to the extents I have gone to try to remedy this situation. The reasons why I went the route of the censorship is because the relationship between book and SBR vs SBR and customer of book is quite different. I had specific challenges to the competency of their IT dept and I knew that based on what they have told me I had a feeling my case would have been swept under the rug. I do feel their are a lot more sharp people browsing and reading the forums. So hopefully, the case can be resolved now that Optional and the help of the toughest cynics such as yourself are on the case.

**goombah** · 10-28-18, 11:09 PM

Complaint submitted. I hope to trust the process and report good news. This will be in my mind a true win for the process as I had wrote off the money as I was initially coming here to look for a place where I can put out all my email.

Stay subscribed folks, more to come. I am feeling hopeful now that I have shared my story that their can be a resolution.

**Optional** · 10-29-18, 05:49 AM

Originally posted by goombah

Complaint submitted. I hope to trust the process and report good news. This will be in my mind a true win for the process as I had wrote off the money as I was initially coming here to look for a place where I can put out all my email.

Stay subscribed folks, more to come. I am feeling hopeful now that I have shared my story that their can be a resolution.

Your dispute agent will look for a way to argue you should be paid. Site sponsor book or not they will do their best for you.

**ouzoun** · 10-29-18, 07:16 AM

One thing I understand in forums, is that many complaints are not clear and not fair. Many people are trying to abuse bookmakers and when caught they try to abuse forums too.
By attacking to the forums you dont have a fair case.

**milwaukee mike** · 10-29-18, 09:00 AM

i'm wondering why someone in sales for internet security, that uses a vpn and does other tech stuff that is way over the rest of our heads, didn't know what a "website unsafe error message" meant

unless it was just in sarcasm?

**Optional** · 10-29-18, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

i'm wondering why someone in sales for internet security, that uses a vpn and does other tech stuff that is way over the rest of our heads, didn't know what a "website unsafe error message" meant

unless it was just in sarcasm?

Don't think it was sarcasm but it is kind of weird/amusing.

As someone who used to be the IT guru for anyone who knew me from 1985-2005, but has now been left WAY behind, I wonder if our OP might be a bit similar but hasn't quite realized it yet.

Originally posted by ouzoun

One thing I understand in forums, is that many complaints are not clear and not fair. Many people are trying to abuse bookmakers and when caught they try to abuse forums too.
By attacking to the forums you dont have a fair case.

Thankfully it is mostly people who believe they have genuine complaints that post them on this forum.

And the ones that spin a good story but end up tripping up after multiple pages are pretty entertaining.

It's the threads that start out with "I just want to warn everyone", without any intent to try to resolve whatever it is that are the worst I'd say. People who want to discuss and try to resolve the issue are genuine at least 80% of the time I'd estimate.

This OP didn't start out well, but my BS radar points to him genuinely believing he has been wronged now.

**goombah** · 10-29-18, 11:28 PM

I know what it meant obviously. When I tried to report that message to the website, they completely ignored my repeated requests to address that my password could be compromised that way instead blaming me for my password being used so I figured I would have to prove my case here before I got a listen. To give you a break down of the security certificate. I reported it, it was fixed the next time I logged in. By the following Friday, it gave me the same unsecured login, just once. Was ok for that day. Then the Saturday, with my other account got it again. So I am obviously only a sales guy now but to me there is an issue. Maybe they working OT and fixed it by now. If they didn't my bet is that some kids have gotten a taste of some forbidden fruit and I will probably just have to wait for other people to come in line to report their account got breached.

**goombah** · 10-30-18, 02:59 AM

I think Optional would agree with me I have made a number of specific and easily provable assertions so to me when a book claims to me I have used a VPN in my home environment (maybe 20% of time) and from that they cannot tell when I have logged in indicates you tell me. If you stop and think about it, there are a lot of things you can take away from that. But one of the feelings to me were even more feelings of incompetence in their IT department.

**goombah** · 10-30-18, 03:08 AM

I also think it was unfair of them to use that rule to not answer any of my questions.

**goombah** · 10-30-18, 03:26 AM

SBR, bring some answers. In SBR we trust. https://imgur.com/b9oGUj7

**Johnny Gunn** · 10-30-18, 03:38 AM

Quit being a vag and name the sports book! You just keep rambling and rambling and rambling on blah blah blah blah blah blah blah…

Talk about paranoid. I'm guessing you're like one of those "Rainman" type personalities.

**goombah** · 11-04-18, 10:15 AM

Optional, just wondering how long it takes before a complaint gets acknowledged or assigned or contacted by SBR.

**goombah** · 11-08-18, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Your dispute agent will look for a way to argue you should be paid. Site sponsor book or not they will do their best for you.

I have an open complaint that I have put with SBR on site sponsor book, Betpop/Youwager. My account has been hacked and it was not myself that bet it nor am I conspiring to try to cheat the book. Evidence to this should have been when I asked that this issue be escalated to authorities.

**Alfie White** · 11-08-18, 04:09 AM

Don't want to sound like an ass here, but how it is bookmaker's fault if your account was compromised?

**semibluff** · 11-08-18, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by Alfie White

Don't want to sound like an ass here, but how it is bookmaker's fault if your account was compromised?

Companies are responsible for their websites. If a company sets up their website in a way that makes it vulnerable to hackers then it's that company's fault if and when their customers are exploited through that vulnerability. As a point of reference a well-known antivirus product automatically prevented machines with that product active from accessing a well-known poker site last year because that well-known poker site fell below the antivirus company's minimum acceptable security standards. Unfortunately it doesn't surprise me that companies in the gaming industry have questionable security.

**Optional** · 11-08-18, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by goombah

I have an open complaint that I have put with SBR on site sponsor book, Betpop/Youwager. My account has been hacked and it was not myself that bet it nor am I conspiring to try to cheat the book. Evidence to this should have been when I asked that this issue be escalated to authorities.

I have not seen it Goombah. Would you pleas reply to the confirmation email you should have received after submitting and ask for an update?

**qsgsg** · 11-08-18, 01:57 PM

Goombah straight to the point talk in your first post will help to get your concerns understandable to the people here. Can't believe i read the whole thread and only understood your issue at the end of it.

**goombah** · 11-09-18, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Optional

I have not seen it Goombah. Would you pleas reply to the confirmation email you should have received after submitting and ask for an update?

I have sent a reply with my personal phone number. The reason why I would never have used my phone number on their mobile platform, is because they are the only ones that will spoof the area code to get my business. If I am moving to a new city, keeping my sports betting private was more important.

**goombah** · 11-09-18, 01:37 PM

SBR, please feel free to use that number to investigate anything against me as well. I have always used sbrodds to lineshop, so those logins I assume including a IP address for a VPN if I had used any on a mobile device and on a computer. I just would not have felt any need to login to Betpop's mobile platform, would have had to be a pretty unique situation. I don't think anyone actually thinks the logins were from my computer or anything like that. But I have actually not graduated very far from momma's basement where I spend about 23h of 24h a day in the bedroom that I have put up. I have confirmed with my ISP just now they log everything I do. Since September, I have not gone very far from my apt so please let me know if you need anything from my ISP. I have further evidence to suggest Betpop/Youwager's one of their I believe 4 servers was having issues across multiple browsers which to me means maybe what I said has been true all along. It is going to serve SBR no purpose not acknowledging it could have happened and likely did happen as it most certainly did. Especially if and when it happens again.

**Optional** · 11-09-18, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by goombah

I have sent a reply with my personal phone number. The reason why I would never have used my phone number on their mobile platform, is because they are the only ones that will spoof the area code to get my business. If I am moving to a new city, keeping my sports betting private was more important.

Geez.

I kind of get being concerned about security but it's a bad catch22 tying to protect your info from bookmakers you choose to use.

I hope you do get this sorted out but realistically don't get your hopes up. As I mentioned early in the thread the way good books handle these is to look for evidence you are/aren't connected with the hacker. When the book cannot be 100% certain of your details and activity it makes it almost impossible to do that.

As far as your continued implication that SBR would censor you or what purpose would have in acknowledging you or not... quite frankly you're just starting to sound like a scammer again. That or you are so paranoid you think everyone is sneaky and untrustworthy. Which also leaves me thinking you must think that way yourself. Got anything else to say about SBR buddy??

**ouzoun** · 11-09-18, 03:46 PM

It would be very simple to come out with your first post and explain the situation and ask for SBR's help, file a complain as well. I don't understand why all this manoeuvring and accusations about forum.
I feel there is still something hidden that we don't know yet.

**JoeCool20** · 11-09-18, 03:56 PM

They won't "censor" your complaint. But all the moderators (can you really blame them?) will side with the S-book.

And even 90% of the freakin players will tell you that you are lying or trying to run a scam!

When they really have no idea if you are or not!

Just file the complaint and don't worry about all the goof-ball replies.

**Optional** · 11-09-18, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by JoeCool20

They won't "censor" your complaint. But all the moderators (can you really blame them?) will side with the S-book.

And even 90% of the freakin players will tell you that you are lying or trying to run a scam!

When they really have no idea if you are or not!

Just file the complaint and don't worry about all the goof-ball replies.

SBR ratings may not be perfect bu the book wouldn't be A rated if they weren't known to operate fairly.

It's not unreasonable for people who have seen this over years to be skeptical of scam claims by default.

And for the record I don't think this OP is a scammer. Nor do I think the book has done anything wrong.

It just looks like an unfortunate situation where the guy's own personal security is clouding the issue.

Hopefully he can somehow convince them he is bona fide and all will be well. He should not get his hopes up though IMHO.

**Optional** · 11-09-18, 05:12 PM

The bottom line with these hacking complaints is that the default position of all books is that Rule #1 is that we are responsible for the security of our own passwords.

BUT, just about all the good books will help when it's really obvious to the book that the player is a victim and not involved in any way.

When it isn't obvious, it's tough to expect them to overlook rule #1

**goombah** · 11-10-18, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by Optional

Geez.

I kind of get being concerned about security but it's a bad catch22 tying to protect your info from bookmakers you choose to use.

I hope you do get this sorted out but realistically don't get your hopes up. As I mentioned early in the thread the way good books handle these is to look for evidence you are/aren't connected with the hacker. When the book cannot be 100% certain of your details and activity it makes it almost impossible to do that.

As far as your continued implication that SBR would censor you or what purpose would have in acknowledging you or not... quite frankly you're just starting to sound like a scammer again. That or you are so paranoid you think everyone is sneaky and untrustworthy. Which also leaves me thinking you must think that way yourself. Got anything else to say about SBR buddy??

Sorry boss. I was thinking of the 2-3 emails I sent you, the PM's and the question I had put in the thread when I had replied so when you said you have not seen my complaint. I had a hard time imagining any type of scenario for this.

**goombah** · 11-10-18, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Optional

The bottom line with these hacking complaints is that the default position of all books is that Rule #1 is that we are responsible for the security of our own passwords.

BUT, just about all the good books will help when it's really obvious to the book that the player is a victim and not involved in any way.

Wow.... That's what I thought too. It is mind blowing to me that a Betpop/Youwager cannot see I am out 1.7k. Any sort of investigation would have proved it to be impossible to be me; given the ridiculous amount of personal information I have shared here that any investigation would have uncovered. I was also giving you multiple ways to investigate me to prove I was not connected to any hacker so I am disappointed in that there is not an investigation.

**goombah** · 11-10-18, 03:57 PM

I find it scary also that a book has such a high and mighty feeling of security that they cannot see what I am sending in screenshots. And how they cannot fail to make it right, it is just mind blowing. SBR and Optional, how can you tell me the screenshots I sent, my betting account was safe. Please explain that. And thank you again, assuming I have a case open.

**Optional** · 11-10-18, 04:03 PM

Check your PMs Goombah.

**goombah** · 11-10-18, 04:15 PM

In terms of a management level, I just do not understand it. I am a net loser in sports; only they know how much I have lost but I think it's a fair bit. How does anyone think casino games on an online sports book and the most stupidest 1k parlay you will ever see. How is that me trying to scam a book.

**goombah** · 11-10-18, 04:31 PM

Thank you Optional for an update. I am just hoping there is some reason somewhere and a case worker can do magic. And I apologize to the book I know when I came out asking for an update, I didn't know who leaked my user info so I am sure I started myself on the wrong foot as I didn't know where my information got leaked and started off blaming customer service. I really don't need to lie about 1.7k. It just hurts because I had an amazing fantasy of what sports betting is and I am living in this world where noone believes me.

**goombah** · 11-10-18, 11:41 PM

To Betpop/Youwager,

Please do the right thing. I don't know how obvious it is to anyone but it has to be pretty obvious with the extents that I am going that I am missing 1.7k. All I am asking is let me lose my money in my own way is that too much to ask? This is 2018, security threats are real. Last month, 50m facebook accounts; the week after that 500k Google+ accounts. I may be the first person hacked at your business so it may be hard to accept but A+ books are all doing the right thing. BOL seems to be hacked daily by the threads it seems and those are coming to successful resolutions. Let me give my 5d story as well. I logged into my 5d account where it was empty. They acknowledged it, by the next day the money was back. When I look at an A book as I have trusted you all those years, how do you let me down like this?

For those that think I am scamming or trying to scam. 1.7k is different amounts to alot of people. They will probably say I bet 200-500 a game and not afraid to lay the juice lol. So 1.7k is a bad day of sports betting. It is also 1 day of plo, a few days of NL. Someone can also look on my FB and see I won the bbj 3 months ago and SBR can look how much I have lost at BetIslands. All I am asking is a number that was there, that was mine. Is that too much to ask in this world of offshore gambling? Does anyone seriously think I would go to all this drama if I did not have a legitimate complaint? (read: how do I trust them with 5k if I can't trust them with 1.7k)