How should these wagers on a doubleheader be graded?

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  • rangerz2478
    SBR MVP
    • 08-06-12
    • 1194

    #1
    How should these wagers on a doubleheader be graded?
    I placed a couple pitcher prop wagers on what I assumed was for game 1 of the Phillies/Nats doubleheader on 9/11. The game started at 3:05 EST.

    Anyways, I check back after the game ended and see the props were STILL listed as they had the posted time of 7:05 EST. (the exact start time of game 2) I didn't realize this when the bets were placed and assumed they had the right start time for game 1. (the wagers didn't mention game 1 or 2)

    Clearly the book made a mistake and had the game 1 pitchers listed for game 2. Wouldn't the correct grade be to cancel all wagers due to the pitchers were listed for the wrong game? I should disclose that my wagers lost so I am obviously biased in my rooting interests, but I also believe the correct book decision would have been to cancel all wagers. I would be fairly confident to assume that if my wagers won, they would have been correctly cancelled. This is a top rated book so I don't think they free rolled players on purpose, but I DO think the decision to action the wagers is wrong.

    What does everyone else think? I wanted to hold off on releasing the book information and get everyones reaction first to avoid any biased opinions.
  • Alfa1234
    SBR MVP
    • 12-19-15
    • 2722

    #2
    I would personnally say having the correct pitchers is more important than the starting time as that's usually what I use to determine which game it actually is. Starting times can change due to weather/rain delay. I don't think it should be graded as no action...I would be pissed off if they graded something no action just because the starting time was incorrect but everything else was good.
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    • Optional
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      • 06-10-10
      • 61407

      #3
      Are you saying your bet had listed pitchers for game 2 but originally had the game start time listed as 3.05pm?

      Start times often move. They may have had the market closing at start time of game 1 just in case something screwy happened with the pitchers and they would not be caught out.
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      • rangerz2478
        SBR MVP
        • 08-06-12
        • 1194

        #4
        Originally posted by Alfa1234
        I would personnally say having the correct pitchers is more important than the starting time as that's usually what I use to determine which game it actually is. Starting times can change due to weather/rain delay. I don't think it should be graded as no action...I would be pissed off if they graded something no action just because the starting time was incorrect but everything else was good.
        So in your eyes, they should leave all bets placed before 3:05 est and cancel all wagers placed in the 4 hours after? Theres probably a good chance players couldve bet batter props after game 1 ended, assumed it HAD to be for game 2, won their game 2 bets, and the book STILL kept their money as they bet a game that already ended without realizing. Their bet would’ve just read “Cabrera over 0.5 bases” with no mention of which game it was, or the starting pitchers, and the book has to the power to do whatever benefits them. Thats not an issue? Other props in the market arent tied to the pitcher like regular lines are.
        Last edited by rangerz2478; 09-13-18, 08:51 AM.
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        • rangerz2478
          SBR MVP
          • 08-06-12
          • 1194

          #5
          Originally posted by Optional
          Are you saying your bet had listed pitchers for game 2 but originally had the game start time listed as 3.05pm?

          Start times often move. They may have had the market closing at start time of game 1 just in case something screwy happened with the pitchers and they would not be caught out.
          It was the daily player prop market with no mention of game 1 or 2. Just the game 1 pitchers with the start time of game 2, odds that were still up after game 1 ended for an hour. Also your point about start times and closing just in case is valid but the OPPOSITE happened here. We’d be having a different discussion if the game 2 lines closed earlier than they should because they wanted to be on the safe side and not take late bets.
          Last edited by rangerz2478; 09-13-18, 08:42 AM.
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          • Optional
            Administrator
            • 06-10-10
            • 61407

            #6
            Originally posted by rangerz2478
            It was the daily player prop market with no mention of game 1 or 2. Just the game 1 pitchers with the start time of game 2, odds that were still up after game 1 ended for an hour. Also your point about start times and closing just in case is valid but the OPPOSITE happened here. We’d be having a different discussion if the game 2 lines closed earlier than they should because they wanted to be on the safe side and not take late bets.
            Ok, so you are not saying that.

            I had to ask as you have not made what you are saying clear.

            And again here, I am not 100% sure what you are trying to say still.

            But, if your problem is the start time listed was wrong, I don't think you have an argument, is basically what I am saying.
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            • rangerz2478
              SBR MVP
              • 08-06-12
              • 1194

              #7
              Originally posted by Optional
              Ok, so you are not saying that.

              I had to ask as you have not made what you are saying clear.

              And again here, I am not 100% sure what you are trying to say still.

              But, if your problem is the start time listed was wrong, I don't think you have an argument, is basically what I am saying.
              I know its a little confusing but its not just the start time. If the start time was wrong on a normal day with no other game its not a big deal. But on a doubleheader and a book has the game 1 odds up at the game 2 start time, that is. ESPECIALLY when the props dont state game 1 or 2.
              Last edited by rangerz2478; 09-13-18, 01:54 PM.
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              • rangerz2478
                SBR MVP
                • 08-06-12
                • 1194

                #8
                Havent had this answered yet but what does everyone think the proper grading is? Action wagers placed before 3:05 est and cancel those placed in the 4 hours after? I guess i havent done a good enough job explaining cause there still seems to be confusion.
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                • Optional
                  Administrator
                  • 06-10-10
                  • 61407

                  #9
                  Originally posted by rangerz2478

                  I know its a little confusing but its not just the start time. If the start time was wrong on a normal day with no other game its not a big deal. But on a doubleheader and a book has the game 1 odds up at the game 2 start time, that is. ESPECIALLY when the props dont state game 1 or 2.
                  Shoot in an Sportsbook Complaint form and see what an SBR dispute agent thinks?
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                  • rangerz2478
                    SBR MVP
                    • 08-06-12
                    • 1194

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Optional
                    Shoot in an Sportsbook Complaint form and see what an SBR dispute agent thinks?
                    I will if it comes down to it, but I accept the fact that this one could have varying opinions on whether the book acted properly or not and wanted to get a feel for what others thought first.
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                    • Alfa1234
                      SBR MVP
                      • 12-19-15
                      • 2722

                      #11
                      To be honest...I'm also not completely clear what you are saying or what your actual bet was. If it was on a prop and the game was marked clearly with the starting pitchers listed but a wrong starting time I still think you should have action as there can be no doubt as to what game the bet was on. Again, not sure if that was the issue...
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