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OptionalAdministrator
- 06-10-10
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#36.Comment -
bubbaSBR MVP
- 09-29-05
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#37if a game is 95% to get called early and overs freeroll on rainouts, The total would be effected absurdly. a number of 7.5 could become 19.5 or way more. I have no clue how to begin the calculation.Comment -
HedgeHogSBR Posting Legend
- 09-11-07
- 10128
#38Likewise, books could offer you an insurance bet to grade your over bet a win instead of a push if it rains out and the game is already over the total. Kind of like blackjack rules to guard against 21 by the dealer. I'm sure the insurance option would be heavily juiced, but if that's important to you, go for it. Personally I don't think shortened Over games happen much at all.Comment -
mrpapageorgioSBR MVP
- 09-07-17
- 2974
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Likewise, books could offer you an insurance bet to grade your over bet a win instead of a push if it rains out and the game is already over the total. Kind of like blackjack rules to guard against 21 by the dealer. I'm sure the insurance option would be heavily juiced, but if that's important to you, go for it. Personally I don't think shortened Over games happen much at all.
If grading an over/under if the over already crossed in an early called game is such a no-no, why even grade ML bets then also? Why should someone get hosed in a 1-2 run game if called final early in the 7th where comebacks are always possible?Comment -
bubbaSBR MVP
- 09-29-05
- 2432
#40All overs push, but there's no way for them to win if they go over in a rainout. It confronts your rationale that grading overs in an early game gives overs a freeroll. Also, why does the line need to be 20 or so in case of rain? Where does rain give that much of an advantage or correlate to higher scoring that you need to double the line? If the teams blast the over before all 9 innings, you shouldn't deserve to push anyway. It just creates an unfair bailout for the under.
As for my rain example I gave, I think you just dont understand what I am saying (or you are pretending not to). Its not that complicated, see if u can follow the logic I am giving. It has nothing to do with rain causing runs. absolutely nothing.Comment -
mrpapageorgioSBR MVP
- 09-07-17
- 2974
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I'll be honest, I'm not following your logic on juicing the line to 20, how about explaining it instead of just reiterating it? I don't see a money line juiced when the forecast calls for rain, so I don't see why a total needs to be juiced so high if the forecast calls for it.Last edited by mrpapageorgio; 07-27-18, 10:13 PM.Comment -
Cubs2016SBR MVP
- 05-27-16
- 1017
#42If you bet Unders you're a LOSER!!! Over hits always!!Comment -
bubbaSBR MVP
- 09-29-05
- 2432
#43As of RIGHT NOW, the UNDER gets to free roll because their bet is saved in a blowout if it rains where it would otherwise lose. Why does the under deserve to free roll? Why can't I get a simple explanation why the under gets a free insurance policy if they get blown out in 5 innings, but it's unthinkable to payout an over that would've paid but for the rain ending the game early? As of right now, the rainout policy encourages under betting because even if your bet gets destroyed early, you have a chance of getting a push because of rain.
I'll be honest, I'm not following your logic on juicing the line to 20, how about explaining it instead of just reiterating it? I don't see a money line juiced when the forecast calls for rain, so I don't see why a total needs to be juiced so high if the forecast calls for it.
I dont care for the rule 1 way or another as long as its clear. Its really not the hard to understand. You can want any rule you wanna want, but thats the logic why what you wish for is unlikely to happen on a mainstream basis. Sorry!Comment -
mrpapageorgioSBR MVP
- 09-07-17
- 2974
#44It all comes down to the reason the rule is there in the 1st place. to prevent the books from getting killed when a game is likely to not go 9 innings. there have been many baseball games destined to not go 9 innings in the history of baseball. its rare but it happens due to weather. before the game people know they wont go 9 innings. in those scenarios, everyone can just bet overs knowing they will either be refunded or graded a winner (in your scenario). thats the reason. its so simple. thats why the rule is there. its to prevent the books from getting massively freerolled in this scenario.
I dont care for the rule 1 way or another as long as its clear. Its really not the hard to understand. You can want any rule you wanna want, but thats the logic why what you wish for is unlikely to happen on a mainstream basis. Sorry!
Plus, assuming they changed the rule, for every time a person gets a "free roll" betting the over and it either pays or gets voided, there would likely be games that (assuming what you hypothesize is true) people would pound the over with rain in the forecast assuming a "free roll", but the rain either misses or the umps find a way to get all 8.5/9 innings in come hell or high water and the overs get burned on that supposed "free roll".Comment -
bubbaSBR MVP
- 09-29-05
- 2432
#45The only problem with that logic is how often does the over hit and then a rain out happens where a book would have to worry about getting killed? A handful? I doubt it's that often that puts a book in serious financial jeopardy if it hits considering Bet365 uses the "over pays if it hits" rule. I think it's more of a laziness factor.
Plus, assuming they changed the rule, for every time a person gets a "free roll" betting the over and it either pays or gets voided, there would likely be games that (assuming what you hypothesize is true) people would pound the over with rain in the forecast assuming a "free roll", but the rain either misses or the umps find a way to get all 8.5/9 innings in come hell or high water and the overs get burned on that supposed "free roll".Comment -
mrpapageorgioSBR MVP
- 09-07-17
- 2974
#46You have convinced me. the books dont know what they are doing. bet365 (which i hear has huge limits on prop bets) clearly has the answer and every other sportsbook on earth is living in the dark ages. The books protecting themselves is costing them big-time. Even though we know the rules before wagering, the books are cheating over bettors with this rule. Its bad for the players, its bad for the books, its bad for society. I am on your side now. I will sign any and all petitions you create on the subject.
I'm not trying to be a @$$ on the subject. I just never understood the point of voiding a bet when the outcome is already determined. If the game is postponed where the stats are wiped out, that's one thing, but if it's called final and the total is definitively over, then pay it.Comment -
relaaxxSBR MVP
- 06-15-06
- 3281
#47I get bubba's point. makes sense. I would definitely bet the over in games that looked like the game would not get to completion. thinking I get a win or a push. also think the rule is there so it does not get too confusing for some people. easier to push all total bets if not a complete game , instead of a few rules for different possibilities when game is not complete.Comment -
DukeSniderSBR High Roller
- 06-20-18
- 129
#48Interesting responses yet not convinced of the actual rational of this policy by most SB's.It is what it is is the bottom line though.Comment -
DukeSniderSBR High Roller
- 06-20-18
- 129
#49I get bubba's point. makes sense. I would definitely bet the over in games that looked like the game would not get to completion. thinking I get a win or a push. also think the rule is there so it does not get too confusing for some people. easier to push all total bets if not a complete game , instead of a few rules for different possibilities when game is not complete.Comment -
relaaxxSBR MVP
- 06-15-06
- 3281
#50Comment -
DukeSniderSBR High Roller
- 06-20-18
- 129
#51no offense but how complicated is it to say that if the total goes over after 5 1/2 innings it's a winner for the over and a loser for the under ?Comment -
4nic8ingSBR Hustler
- 03-19-08
- 94
#54Most software used by the books for games is standard 2 way offering where you enter the result and it grades across the accounts based on result. So they have to have a standard rule for claims.
How would you grade this using your example of game going over total for some bettors in first 6 innings before rain PPD's. Total for game opens at 8 ov 20 and closes at 9.5 un 20. Score is 8-1 after 6 innings and game is called.Comment -
DukeSniderSBR High Roller
- 06-20-18
- 129
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