Wiiliam Hill Scam Revealed.

**shocka1212** · 12-05-17, 02:06 PM

so don't gamble... thanks for the heads up

**newguy** · 12-05-17, 02:25 PM

What are the odds supposed to be?

**philg** · 12-05-17, 02:27 PM

This really isn't about gambling per say. Anyone who gambles knows that eventually they will lose. The question for me is, am I losing to a fair game? The answer at William Hill is no. I don't take reviews very seriously, I need actual proof to support my positions. Now I have it. I should also say that William Hill has been provided this evidence and appear to not be taking it seriously. My impression is that William Hill believes they are too big to fail.

**philg** · 12-05-17, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by newguy

What are the odds supposed to be?

Theoretically no more than .75% odds depend on the game played how many decks and rules of the game.

**RudyRuetigger** · 12-05-17, 02:48 PM

what was sample size

though i agree with you anyway

**Grits n' Gravy** · 12-05-17, 02:59 PM

If you are dumb enough to play at an online casino, you deserve to get fleeced.

**HurryUpAndDrink** · 12-05-17, 03:01 PM

well done Philg. never played there, always seemed fishy for me... at least online poker...

hope u get where you want to get with this

**juicername** · 12-05-17, 03:03 PM

For which table game?

**pilebuck13** · 12-05-17, 03:06 PM

Dude I hope you lost a boatload of money...what would be the reason to waste so much time and energy

**cankid** · 12-05-17, 03:10 PM

Dont waste your time with games that can be manipulated

**juicername** · 12-05-17, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by cankid

Don't waste your time with games that have a built in edge for the house

Fixed your post.

**Snowball** · 12-05-17, 03:56 PM

online casino key - pop n' go.
quick short stays

**jjgold** · 12-05-17, 03:59 PM

This will go nowhere you’re fighting $1 billion company move on

**dlowilly** · 12-05-17, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by pilebuck13

Dude I hope you lost a boatload of money...what would be the reason to waste so much time and energy

Bizarre attitude to have

**dlowilly** · 12-05-17, 04:03 PM

What does "the decks are being short stacked" mean?

**philg** · 12-05-17, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

This will go nowhere you’re fighting $1 billion company move on

I don't really care if it goes somewhere or not. For me it was about having a company that is supposedly reputable, ripping people off using the "good reputation" to do it.

The reality is that now the proof of this is out there. Its not speculation, its fact.

I find it difficult to believe that SBR has not caught this already.

**unusialsusp5** · 12-05-17, 04:35 PM

why would some mathematician from the univ of toronto pour over hours of video footage for you. because you asked him nicely. fake story never happened. i'm sure saskatchewan and carlton university can't wait to spend hours reviewing your "video footage" since they have nothing else to do and want to appease an online gambler who has suspicions. the boys at william hill are shaking in their boots over this i'm sure.

**dlowilly** · 12-05-17, 04:52 PM

philg please tell us what you mean by "the decks are being short stacked"

**philg** · 12-05-17, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by unusialsusp5

why would some mathematician from the univ of toronto pour over hours of video footage for you. because you asked him nicely. fake story never happened. i'm sure saskatchewan and carlton university can't wait to spend hours reviewing your "video footage" since they have nothing else to do and want to appease an online gambler who has suspicions. the boys at william hill are shaking in their boots over this i'm sure.

If you really must know, I originally brought this to the attention of the sociology department at the university, who then referred me to the department of mathematics.

From there I paid a nominal fee and at which point several TA's reviewed and compiled documentation. After the professor reviewed it he contacted me and requested more information.

I then used a VPN and played tricks with my dns to create multiple accounts on William Hill. I used these accounts along with virtual ************ to place bets in different currencies at different times of the day. Each account followed basic strategy only betting the table min.

Depending on the country William Hill believes you are playing from you will see different tables with different minimums.

After I submitted the additional findings to the department of mathematics, I was contacted by computer sciences, who then duplicated the results I found.

I will gladly send you a copy of the report.

**unusialsusp5** · 12-05-17, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by philg

If you really must know, I originally brought this to the attention of the sociology department at the university, who then referred me to the department of mathematics.

From there I paid a nominal fee and at which point several TA's reviewed and compiled documentation. After the professor reviewed it he contacted me and requested more information.

I then used a VPN and played tricks with my dns to create multiple accounts on William Hill. I used these accounts along with virtual ************ to place bets in different currencies at different times of the day. Each account followed basic strategy only betting the table min.

Depending on the country William Hill believes you are playing from you will see different tables with different minimums.

After I submitted the additional findings to the department of mathematics, I was contacted by computer sciences, who then duplicated the results I found.

I will gladly send you a copy of the report.

i and i doubt anyone else would want it. really difficult to believe you went to all this trouble to verify something that everyone knew already. that all online casino's are rigged in some manner.

**philg** · 12-05-17, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by unusialsusp5

i and i doubt anyone else would want it. really difficult to believe you went to all this trouble to verify something that everyone knew already. that all online casino's are rigged in some manner.

I would disagree that they are all rigged. However I cant prove or disprove that.

Before this it was just speculation. Now its fact. William Hill may laugh at me as I am just one guy. However I would venture a guess that once this information is provided to their merchant processors they will take a hard look at continuing to process payments. I am not saying that they will quit processing payments but perhaps additional pressure will be applied that may in turn make them think about the consequences of their actions.

**dlowilly** · 12-05-17, 05:33 PM

Are you ever going to answer what is meant by "the decks are being short stacked"?

Seems like a pretty pertinent question and you continue to avoid it

**philg** · 12-05-17, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by dlowilly

Are you ever going to answer what is meant by "the decks are being short stacked"?

Seems like a pretty pertinent question and you continue to avoid it

Not avoiding it. Your best bet is to google it and get in depth answer to it. I am heading to a meeting but if you have any other questions about it after doing some research on it, post here and I will answer when I get back.

**unusialsusp5** · 12-05-17, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by philg

Not avoiding it. Your best bet is to google it and get in depth answer to it. I am heading to a meeting but if you have any other questions about it after doing some research on it, post here and I will answer when I get back.

this is one busy guy. any OCD treatment centers in canada.

**Alfa1234** · 12-05-17, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by philg

I would disagree that they are all rigged. However I cant prove or disprove that.

Before this it was just speculation. Now its fact. William Hill may laugh at me as I am just one guy. However I would venture a guess that once this information is provided to their merchant processors they will take a hard look at continuing to process payments. I am not saying that they will quit processing payments but perhaps additional pressure will be applied that may in turn make them think about the consequences of their actions.

Just one comment on this: some merchant processors like Neteller and Skrill do not care one bit about any scams that are going on from their merchant clients. 1xbet has literally scammed thousands of people and they are still happilly processing payments for them despite numerous complaints. They care about taking their +/- 3.9% from every deposit and there is absolutely nothing in their standard merchant contract regarding rigged games or casinos.

**Optional** · 12-05-17, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by philg

The live tables at William Hill have a 92.6 % odd in favour of the house.

The way you play may be the answer to that?

Everyone says they play "basic strategy" but chances are you make plenty of mistakes along the way.

Originally posted by newguy

What are the odds supposed to be?

Originally posted by philg

Theoretically no more than .75% odds depend on the game played how many decks and rules of the game.

"Theoretically" is just marketing speak.

Reality is that most players who think they know basic strategy see around 97% return.

You are welcome to send in your findings for SBR admin to check out.

You might also like to inform IBAS-UK.com

Lastly there is a good guy who runs a site like SBR but specific to casinos. He knows and understands the math and online casino tricks better than just about anyone. I'll PM you his email.

**dlowilly** · 12-05-17, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by philg

Not avoiding it. Your best bet is to google it and get in depth answer to it. I am heading to a meeting but if you have any other questions about it after doing some research on it, post here and I will answer when I get back.

Hard to believe it could be something so complex that it would take longer to explain it than the reply you just made. It's not that I don't believe that you have done all this, it's that I know a lot about blackjack and have never heard this term and can't find it anywhere so I don't know what it is you are accusing them of.

If you mean stacking the deck or removing cards that's fine, I just have never heard it called short stacking.

**bozeman** · 12-05-17, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by philg

Hey Guys!

So awhile ago I noticed something fishy with the live tables at William Hill. Upon noticing this, I took hours of video footage on 5 different tables covering thousands of hands played. I sent this footage to a mathematician at the university of Toronto for review. The conclusion from the university of Toronto is that the decks are being short stacked. The live tables at William Hill have a 92.6 % odd in favour of the house. I should say this is the house edge for the 5 tables I reviewed.

I am willing to provide anyone with the detailed report from the university of Toronto and of course the live footage.

The lesson here guys is that even through an online casino has great reviews and does payout people doesn't mean its actually and truly playing by the rules.

If anyone here has the resources I would encourage you to conduct the same tests to see if you can duplicate the results. More evidence is always better.

I am planning to send this to the university of Saskatchewan and Carlton university in Ottawa for further review.

Thanks for reading guys, I hope this helps you.

please send me the stats *************** thanks so much for the info

**Foxx** · 12-05-17, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by philg

Not avoiding it. Your best bet is to google it and get in depth answer to it. I am heading to a meeting but if you have any other questions about it after doing some research on it, post here and I will answer when I get back.

Seriously?

**dealer wins** · 12-06-17, 07:15 AM

I wouldnt trust any online casino, too much temptation to cheat its players.

**HeeeHAWWWW** · 12-06-17, 09:00 AM

Blackjack taking 7% margin sounds pretty implausible - it's such an enormous difference from the norm it would stick out like a sore thumb, and be very easy to prove. Hugely risky for a brand like WH.

**dlowilly** · 12-07-17, 01:16 AM

Just because the risk/reward doesn't make sense doesn't mean it doesn't happen