Bwin steal my money....really need help!!!!

**fixxer** · 05-28-09, 02:33 PM

This case sounds me, as Bwin suspects that you cheated in poker (chip-dumping in 1 on 1 for example), and they are investigating this matter....I suggest you to contact mod: Justin, as he can help you to find out why your account is closed - but If you committed chip dumping, you can lose all your balance....

"You really should consider seriously to terminate your accounts with them cause they will NOT pay you. "

IMHO it's not a good idea to bash them while they are investigating about your account...

**moonbeam** · 05-28-09, 03:19 PM

I agree bwins customer service is very poor.

**007Fatty** · 05-28-09, 03:30 PM

Wat is chip dumping?

**opening** · 05-28-09, 04:00 PM

i am sure that i have not cheat in anyway,please tell me how can i get contact with these guys can help me you mention.thanks a lot/

**moonbeam** · 05-28-09, 04:15 PM

look at fixxers post opening

**BatemanPatrickl** · 05-28-09, 04:23 PM

Books are not stupid; there was probably some Tom Foolery going on and the guy got busted.

Poor customer service or not if he cheated, he deserves to lose everything.

**pokerplayer22** · 05-28-09, 04:29 PM

Does Bwin have any connection with sportbet??? Because sportbet is known for just outright stealing someones money and closing their acct

**BatemanPatrickl** · 05-28-09, 04:38 PM

Great link here:

SBR Forum - Sports Betting Talk - Sportsbook Review Forum

http://forum.sbrforum.com/poker/8201-explain-practice-chip-dumping.html

Sports betting and handicapping forum: discuss picks, odds, and predictions for upcoming games and results on latest bets.

**BWINcomFraud** · 07-15-09, 06:41 AM

I am only sorry I didn't read all this Bwin fraud before I opened account and they stole from me 736EUR.
It never happened to me before that a company would cheat me is such a cruel, well planned in advance strategy.
They work like a crime machine, for every one they steal 3000$ they payout 300 customers their 10$ wins.
Then this stupid souls say: Bwin!Bwin!Bwin! Till they will not win 1000$ and Bwin will reap them to pay other stupid souls.
This is very well organized Bwin Pyramide Scam, where winning small bets customers are paid from stealing from big winners, and the rest of the money goes for advertising to bring in new fools.

**Justin7** · 07-15-09, 10:15 AM

Have you filled out a complaint yet?

**chupamoscas** · 07-15-09, 10:28 AM

BWIN IS A FRAUD!!! BE AWARE AND TELL EVERYONE. They are based in an island out in SPAIN and they are a Pyramid they do not pay winers. I personally wrote and sent an email to ESPN ( ESPN was sponsoring them for a while) explaining what they did to me refusing to pay my gains. They work out their scam by offering all type of wagers and live betting an as soon as you want to get money in your bank account they immediately for no reason block your account. PLease Be AWARE gentelman and lets tell everyone we know not to place a penny with them.

**BWINcomFraud** · 07-15-09, 11:05 AM

I filled the complain in the link you provided before, if you get anything, I know how to reward your great scam prevention site. I also cantacted www.Casinomeister.com , the guy there is crazy afraid of Bwin. He shakes only from hearing their fraudulent name.
To me Bwin is very clear scam pyramide. I fear nothing when it comes to fight for truth. I will not surrender to their pressure, to them my name will be associated with horror. I am looking now for connecting Mr.Florentino Perez, let him have one more reason to reject their sponsorship. Who wants money from Bwin criminals for sponsorship?

**specialedbob** · 07-15-09, 03:25 PM

Well, then maybe special ed. bookmakers might be good.

**Dougoudou** · 07-15-09, 04:05 PM

OMG, this has the makings of a veeeeery long summer for me. I try to be reasonable, especially with Euro books with large clientelle, but I now do feel there is a risk to player funds in Bwin. I am accused for similar stuff but the case is so ridiculous that even a 5-year-old kid would be able to say if there was any chip-dumping that occured. Don't take my word for it, ask Justin who is on my complaint. I wish Bwin would publish the hands played in the open, as well as the money that was lost (imagine this, I even lost yet they close my account) for everyone to see. There would be a mass run to the exit. If you are accused of chip-dumping for a silly amount that YOU LOST and given how the hands played out (example: do you ever all-in live on the turn if you are chip-dumping??? What if my outs hit?). In any case, we are not at the point that an account there means anything, the problem is getting out of there, this book seems in real trouble.

**BWINcomFraud** · 07-15-09, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by Dougoudou

OMG, this has the makings of a veeeeery long summer for me. I try to be reasonable, especially with Euro books with large clientelle, but I now do feel there is a risk to player funds in Bwin. I am accused for similar stuff but the case is so ridiculous that even a 5-year-old kid would be able to say if there was any chip-dumping that occured. Don't take my word for it, ask Justin who is on my complaint. I wish Bwin would publish the hands played in the open, as well as the money that was lost (imagine this, I even lost yet they close my account) for everyone to see. There would be a mass run to the exit. If you are accused of chip-dumping for a silly amount that YOU LOST and given how the hands played out (example: do you ever all-in live on the turn if you are chip-dumping??? What if my outs hit?). In any case, we are not at the point that an account there means anything, the problem is getting out of there, this book seems in real trouble.

We will breake this bookie for fraud, how come all of us write about scam at Bwin?
If they would be a small company from Grenada (75,000$ gambling license) with 100 customers, this I would be able to understand somehow and if I would lose money with them, I would not write a single complain. But Bwin who advertise so agressively everywhere and pretend to be 1000 times bigger than now I see it is (20 million accounts they say on their website www.bwin.org is lies, imagine every in 10 adults in Europe have Bwin account) , indeed this was a real shock to me when they stole my 736eur! It's like having account at medium UK or Swiss bank, then walk in their doors and they say your account is closed for security reason and the money you made buying/selling stocks they are not going to return you. I am writing regulators everyday, I believe it will have effect in terms that some people will take a closer look at them, sometimes it's enough to snowball. For many Bwin is some hard to understand scam and they are not sure how it works. For the right person in the right chair in the right position, this can be uncovered faster. But what is important, is to make awareness. Silence and humiliation after Bwin breaks accounts will not bear any result, only action will. Act now!

**jebe99** · 07-16-09, 02:48 PM

I feel NO PITY for those that lose money with these not too reputable books.

We, as a global gambling community need to support ONLY THE BOOKS THAT HAVE PROVEN themselves over the years.

Otherwise, we are only contributing to spawning of more of these shady books.

I actually get pissed off at those that join them, because they are the direct causes of these books popping up all over.

If they just did some research on the net, they'll know who the solid books are.

So, STOP getting enticed by the sign up bonuses and go with the good books!!

My books- Matchbook, 5Dimes, Bet Jamaica, Pinnacle( non USA). Never failed to get any payouts in 7+ years.

Come on, support only the books that have been supporting us in the past!

**BWINcomFraud** · 07-16-09, 02:59 PM

I completely agree with you, I only looked into their website without even looking on Google:Bwin fraud.
If I would see what I see now, not even 100 posts about they steal winning bets, if I would find on complain, I would not trust them not only 1$, but even if they would pay me 1000$ only to see my credit card numbers on both sides, I would send them knock out immediately. I have account with Ladbrokes, I thought all the companies are more or less the same, I thought only design of a website is all the difference. Now I see how stupid I was, it costed me 736eur is stolen bets. But then again, you can't blame me that Bwin stole my money. How could I know. That's why I think it is important to show awareness and that my mistake trusting Bwin, will teach 100 potential customers my lesson. With their reputation, whatever bets they offer, will not help them as brand value in the internet gambling business is everything. If you trust a bookie, you can easily deposit 100,000$ (only example) and be sure whatever you win, every penny you will get. With Bwin you give them your money, they get interest on it, you risk it big, you win more, they close account for security reason. Such brand has no value even with the nicest website on earth and the biggest bets.

**specialedbob** · 07-16-09, 05:25 PM

Huh, what about this new bookmaker called linesmaker, are they going ,the same route?
Thanks,

Special Ed. Bob