Bookmaker shady dealings

**DiggityDaggityDo** · 01-24-17, 09:40 PM

Loss on a draw is pretty standard with most books when using a freeplay.

**BrickJames** · 01-24-17, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by Machine Choice

They give you a freeplay bonus. But if the play pushes they grade it as a loss and still require all rollover amounts before requesting a withdrawal. Beware this book, go somewhere else.

Bookmaker is probably the most reputable book there is. Pushing on a free play always count as a loss.

**Machine Choice** · 01-24-17, 09:49 PM

Many books don't do this. I would expect better from Bookmaker.

**Optional** · 01-24-17, 11:00 PM

Same rule in the betpoints book.

Push with a freeplay is a loss.

**themike78** · 01-24-17, 11:06 PM

A lot of books refund the freeplay if it is a push. They really grade it as a loss? That sucks.

**HedgeHog** · 01-24-17, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by Machine Choice

They give you a freeplay bonus. But if the play pushes they grade it as a loss and still require all rollover amounts before requesting a withdrawal. Beware this book, go somewhere else.

Most Books do this on free plays-ties lose. This is on you for not knowing how to bet your free play correctly.

**gauchojake** · 01-24-17, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by themike78

A lot of books refund the freeplay if it is a push. They really grade it as a loss? That sucks.

name one

**TheGuesser** · 01-25-17, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by gauchojake

name one

Heritage, for one:

13. Free Play wagers can be placed over the phone and on the internet for straight wagers and two or three team parlays or teasers. Open spots are not allowed. If the play wins, then only the winning amount will be credited into the players account as CASH. If the play loses, no physical adjustments will be made to the account. If the plays ends in a Push/No Action, then the player gets to play the Free Play again.

**BigBlueNYG** · 01-25-17, 01:37 AM

YW and hrwager both refund pushes. If this their policy fine, but should make one time exception for every client first time it happens

**spider** · 01-25-17, 01:54 AM

best rule:

NEVER, NEVER, EVER play a freeplay on a round number. ONLY with 1/2 pts.

**BigBlueNYG** · 01-25-17, 01:55 AM

Or ML in major sport where there will be gtd winner

**temple2010** · 01-25-17, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by Machine Choice

They give you a freeplay bonus. But if the play pushes they grade it as a loss and still require all rollover amounts before requesting a withdrawal. Beware this book, go somewhere else.

You gotta always check the rules for each site. i always use my freeplays on 8 3-team parlays with half point lines so I don't have to worry about ties.

**BigBlueNYG** · 01-25-17, 02:15 AM

There is Zero value in a free play if you don't do atleast a 2 team parlay

**Machine Choice** · 01-25-17, 03:34 AM

The rule is so ridiculous, it never occurred to me that I would need to look it up. A push = loss is not a concept I'm familiar with.

**Optional** · 01-25-17, 03:56 AM

Originally posted by Machine Choice

The rule is so ridiculous, it never occurred to me that I would need to look it up. A push = loss is not a concept I'm familiar with.

I think a lot of people feel the same way if they learn about it by surprise the first time like you have.

The rule really is the same way at the majority of shops though.

**Bill Dozer** · 01-25-17, 08:51 AM

Have you politely asked for another chance with the freeplay? It might be too late considering the thread but they have been known to use their discretion when players are disappointed to get the loss on a push.

**Microphone** · 01-25-17, 09:10 AM

Why would the Free Play rule not mimic a regular Vegas grading rule? Freeplays are usually gestures by books to congratulate winners or welcome new players. Grading a push is an awful way to start or continue a relationship from a business standpoint.

"That's the way it's always been" is a lame statement.

**Frank** · 01-25-17, 02:38 PM

[QUOTE=Microphone;26737699]Why would the Free Play rule not mimic a regular Vegas grading rule? Freeplays are usually gestures by books to congratulate winners or welcome new players. Grading a push is an awful way to start or continue a relationship from a business standpoint.

This is by far the smartest and best post in this thread.

**relaaxx** · 01-25-17, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by Optional

Same rule in the betpoints book.

Push with a freeplay is a loss.

I had my betpoints returned when I asked about the loss on a tie that I had on my bet with betpoints.

**relaaxx** · 01-25-17, 02:50 PM

bookmaker sucks. the management team is useless. book to book will cost you at least a couple hundred, while every other book that transfers to bookmaker charges nothing. have not been there in years maybe policies changed. if you want to use bookmaker deposit with hollywood sportsbook. much better in every way and now with bookmaker standing behind them you get bookmaker's best feature(that you will get paid) along with the many perks of hollywood sportsbook.

**HedgeHog** · 01-25-17, 02:50 PM

When you bet a free play, you only get the "winnings" from it, and the FP stake is surrendered at that point. So if your bet ties, there is 0 winnings and the FP bet amount is used at that point. The Book is not obligated to return the FP to your account, although some (like Heritage) will as a gesture of good will.

**Microphone** · 01-25-17, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by HedgeHog

When you bet a free play, you only get the "winnings" from it, and the FP stake is surrendered at that point. So if your bet ties, there is 0 winnings and the FP bet amount is used at that point. The Book is not obligated to return the FP to your account, although some (like Heritage) will as a gesture of good will.

Correct, but are there "free plays" in Vegas or is this something that was developed by online sportsbooks? The definition you correctly state needs to be amended to read that Free Play stakes are surrendered upon LOSS of the wager. It makes no sense to have a free play grading rule that's different from your everyday grading rule.

And if your response is, "hey, sportsbooks don't have to offer them, it's potentially "free money" from their bottom line", then DON'T offer them and save people the aggravation.

For the record, the title of this thread should be amended. Bookmaker is excellent. This is, for the most part, an industry wide issue.

**HedgeHog** · 01-25-17, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by Microphone

Correct, but are there "free plays" in Vegas or is this something that was developed by online sportsbooks? The definition you correctly state needs to be amended to read that Free Play stakes are surrendered upon LOSS of the wager. It makes no sense to have a free play grading rule that's different from your everyday grading rule.

And if your response is, "hey, sportsbooks don't have to offer them, it's potentially "free money" from their bottom line", then DON'T offer them and save people the aggravation.

For the record, the title of this thread should be amended. Bookmaker is excellent. This is, for the most part, an industry wide issue.

The free play stake is surrendered regardless of whether the bet wins or loses (or ties). If you make a $100 2 team parlay with your own funds, $360 is returned to your account if it wins ($100 stake + $260 winnings). A $100 FP 2 team parlay only returns the $260 in winnings to your account, and the $100 FP stake is surrendered.

**Microphone** · 01-25-17, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by HedgeHog

The free play stake is surrendered regardless of whether the bet wins or loses (or ties). If you make a $100 2 team parlay with your own funds, $360 is returned to your account if it wins ($100 stake + $260 winnings). A $100 FP 2 team parlay only returns the $260 in winnings to your account, and the $100 FP stake is surrendered.

HedgeHog,

The above wasn't directed at you.

Also, you've correctly defined the current free play rules that most online sportsbooks use. I'm saying change a free play where it's graded like a regular bet. I don't get why that would be bad for a sportsbook?