VPN Question

**raiders72001** · 07-17-15, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by 3runhomer

I have a question for any who have used VPNs in the past. I am moving to another country, and plan to utilize a VPN to access Netflix, WatchESPN, and do most all of my internet surfing on.

Will I have issues accessing my sports book accounts using this same VPN?

I am using the VPN for security, as I will be in a country that is not the most gifted technologically.

I have never used a VPN so not sure how all of it works...and any recommendations would be great!

You won't have any problems accessing your accounts with a VPN.

The only problems that you can run into is if you are using a VPN to multi-account.

**dealer wins** · 07-17-15, 02:28 PM

VPN OK for existing accounts, for new accounts dont do it, they will be blocked etc as the book think you are a multi-account scammer

**BetterBizness** · 07-17-15, 10:16 PM

I have a US phone, and live mostly in Canada as I'm Canadian.. so when in Canada if I'm not wifi, I get blocked if I'm not already logged in... same with when I go to the states then I'm really fked... I use tunnelbear personally... great little cheap program that works just to get me logged in...

**Art Vandeleigh** · 07-18-15, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by dealer wins

VPN OK for existing accounts, for new accounts dont do it, they will be blocked etc as the book think you are a multi-account scammer

You, (and Raiders also) seem to be implying that books know the IP addresses of all VPN servers out there. Am I understanding correctly? Otherwise, how can they tell if it's a VPN or not?
In other words, If I live in the U.S. have 5 friends or relatives in the UK, and each is willing to open an account at one specific UK book, and then I use 5 different VPN services with servers in the UK (and therefore different UK IP addresses), how can the books pick up on this? Please share if you can (am I even asking the question correctly?).

**jjgold** · 07-18-15, 08:52 AM

Most books do not care as long as a non usa IP address and non usa banking/funding

**dirtdog52658** · 07-18-15, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by Art Vandeleigh

You, (and Raiders also) seem to be implying that books know the IP addresses of all VPN servers out there. Am I understanding correctly? Otherwise, how can they tell if it's a VPN or not?
In other words, If I live in the U.S. have 5 friends or relatives in the UK, and each is willing to open an account at one specific UK book, and then I use 5 different VPN services with servers in the UK (and therefore different UK IP addresses), how can the books pick up on this? Please share if you can (am I even asking the question correctly?).

A few ways, A) some other bettor out there has already used the service B) The service uses rotating IP's and you IP changes daily. C) VPN's timeout/crash/disconnect ect which exposes your real IP. Also a lot of these sportsbooks install tracking software on your computer such as Iovation which can expose the use of this as well.

**raiders72001** · 07-18-15, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandeleigh

You, (and Raiders also) seem to be implying that books know the IP addresses of all VPN servers out there. Am I understanding correctly? Otherwise, how can they tell if it's a VPN or not?
In other words, If I live in the U.S. have 5 friends or relatives in the UK, and each is willing to open an account at one specific UK book, and then I use 5 different VPN services with servers in the UK (and therefore different UK IP addresses), how can the books pick up on this? Please share if you can (am I even asking the question correctly?).

Click this URL. It tests for a Proxy. http://whatismyipaddress.com/proxy-check

WIMIA Test https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipe...roxy_detection

Proxy info http://whatismyipaddress.com/proxy-server

**Art Vandeleigh** · 07-19-15, 04:04 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Click this URL. It tests for a Proxy. http://whatismyipaddress.com/proxy-check

WIMIA Test https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipe...roxy_detection

Proxy info http://whatismyipaddress.com/proxy-server

Thanks for the info.

I tried it on a couple of VPNs and sure enough, the WIMIA test failed, whereas my regular IP passed all tests.

I looked into WIMIA a bit more, and found this article:

Just a moment...

http://www.elite-proxy.net/eliteproxy/wimia-tests-and-elite-proxies/

The next to last paragraph is as follows:

What failing WIMIA means

So why do I say don’t worry if your proxy fails this test? You shouldn’t worry because the test isn’t testing anonymity at all. You are still 100% anonymous and websites still have no way of detecting your real IP, nor do websites know you are using a proxy server. Also, if you have a dedicated IP and you are the only person using the IP, then obviously you aren’t sharing the IP with anyone. So why would a dedicated IP trigger a FAILED on this test? The problem most likely stems from the IP being recycled. If you don’t know, IPs, even dedicated ones, are recycled. The IPs your elite proxy server has will most likely have been used in the past. There’s a good chance they could have been used by hundreds, if not thousands, of people before. This is why the WIMIA test is a false alarm. It’s only testing to see how many people have used an IP. It’s not testing for a proxy server.

Even at the whatsmyipaddress site, the Advanced Proxy Check section admits that some tests may result in a false positive.

Does anyone know if sportsbooks buy the "false alarm" defense?

**Optional** · 07-19-15, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandeleigh

Does anyone know if sportsbooks buy the "false alarm" defense?

Depends why they are looking at you and what they suspect you have done.

If you are a 100% genuine honest player you are probably not going to have an issue using a proxy or not. If they ask, you just explain why.

**raiders72001** · 07-19-15, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by Optional

Depends why they are looking at you and what they suspect you have done.

If you are a 100% genuine honest player you are probably not going to have an issue using a proxy or not. If they ask, you just explain why.

Agree. A lot of people use a VPN for one reason or another. It's not a big deal anymore.

The guys that cheat just use different computers and different IPs. That can't be traced and a good book isn't going to claim syndicate play/collusion. You can still have problems at the bad books.

**tessel** · 07-21-15, 05:11 PM

I'm the owner of a site someone linked from here regarding the WIMIA test.

A VPN will most likely work for Netflix. Netflix is not actively hunting/shutting down ways to gain access to their network outside of the USA. However, Hulu is and the way they do it is basically what someone else mentioned below.

A betting company could block VPN access but I doubt they'd bother. Doing so isn't hard. You can get lists of IPs and their location, such as is it in a datacenter or is it residential. These lists would technically allow a betting company to ban IP ranges very easily.

As others already mentioned, I can't see a problem. If you are using your VPN for a legitimate purpose, then I don't see why any company would want to stop you.

**3runhomer** · 07-22-15, 12:12 AM

Great info. Thanks!

**Optional** · 07-22-15, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by tessel

I'm the owner of a site someone linked from here regarding the WIMIA test.

A VPN will most likely work for Netflix. Netflix is not actively hunting/shutting down ways to gain access to their network outside of the USA. However, Hulu is and the way they do it is basically what someone else mentioned below.

A betting company could block VPN access but I doubt they'd bother. Doing so isn't hard. You can get lists of IPs and their location, such as is it in a datacenter or is it residential. These lists would technically allow a betting company to ban IP ranges very easily.

As others already mentioned, I can't see a problem. If you are using your VPN for a legitimate purpose, then I don't see why any company would want to stop you.

How does the WIMIA test count the number of individual users of an IP?

Having trouble thinking how this could be done without interrogating the user machine.

**play4win** · 07-23-15, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Click this URL. It tests for a Proxy. http://whatismyipaddress.com/proxy-check

test don't work. everything is false except ip.
i think the internet provider doesn't give you a "dedicated" ip.
yea, the ip adress is the same but like every week the server is from different city within your country!
i don't know how it work precisely but maybe it's changed now.