Getting banned from a bookmaker

**jjgold** · 03-17-14, 06:00 AM

You get banned at many Euro and UK books when you beat weak lines which basically means your an arber and books can tell. If your just a regular gambler betting $100 or so less per game and just bet regular lines your fine.

**jnvwebdes** · 03-17-14, 08:15 AM

Hi jjgold,

Thanks for your quick and clear answer. What do you mean with being an arber? I can't find the right translation ;-)

I bet about $10 a bet on European Soccer, and won't bet under 1.40 (European odd). Is that a normal gambling pattern?

Thanks,
Dirk

**shaunovery** · 03-17-14, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by jnvwebdes

Hi jjgold,

Thanks for your quick and clear answer. What do you mean with being an arber? I can't find the right translation ;-)

I bet about $10 a bet on European Soccer, and won't bet under 1.40 (European odd). Is that a normal gambling pattern?

Thanks,
Dirk

Betting 10 a game won't get you banned ,

As for arber it's virtually where you bet 1 line and lay off at a smaller line

**AussiePunter123** · 03-17-14, 09:00 AM

All in other words, Team A is an underdog, at $2.50 (DNB).

The match begins, and then Team A scores, their In Play odds drop to $1.50 and Team B's odds go out to $2.40 (DNB).

You then back Team B with an 'In Play' bet. You are assured a profit whoever wins the match.

That is a simplified version of 'Arb Betting'.

**Smithers** · 03-17-14, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by AussiePunter123

All in other words, Team A is an underdog, at $2.50 (DNB).

The match begins, and then Team A scores, their In Play odds drop to $1.50 and Team B's odds go out to $2.40 (DNB).

You then back Team B with an 'In Play' bet. You are assured a profit whoever wins the match.

That is a simplified version of 'Arb Betting'.

Literally that has nothing to do with Arbitrage Betting.

Arbitrage - Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitrage

The practice of taking advantage of a price difference between two or more markets:

**jnvwebdes** · 03-17-14, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by Smithers

Literally that has nothing to do with Arbitrage Betting.

Arbitrage - Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitrage

The practice of taking advantage of a price difference between two or more markets:

Ok, so that means that if a sportsbook has got a evidently higher odd than the other sportsbook, and you pick that one, then you're an arber? And that's what you guys mean with a weak line? Or am I totally wrong?

**Vaughany** · 03-17-14, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by jnvwebdes

Ok, so that means that if a sportsbook has got a evidently higher odd than the other sportsbook, and you pick that one, then you're an arber? And that's what you guys mean with a weak line? Or am I totally wrong?

a weak line is like if for examples sake unibet were to release odds on Barcelona/Osasuna and they had Barcelona to win at -400 (1/4) when every other book out there like paddypower, stanjames, betvictor, etc... has Barcelona are -800 (1/4).

If you are only betting 10 euros on a game you arent going to get limited/or account deleted

**jnvwebdes** · 03-17-14, 10:41 AM

Thanks for your clear answers guys!

**lecubs28** · 03-17-14, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by jnvwebdes

Since I consider this forum as the best on the net

**captrobey** · 03-17-14, 01:31 PM

Betmania banned me after promising me if i deposit i would have a $10000 limit. I told them i did not want that much i would be happy with $5000. So i deposit and after ONE win they limited me to $250 . Skybook is their sister book avoid them too.

**Hareeba!** · 03-17-14, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by AussiePunter123

All in other words, Team A is an underdog, at $2.50 (DNB).

The match begins, and then Team A scores, their In Play odds drop to $1.50 and Team B's odds go out to $2.40 (DNB).

You then back Team B with an 'In Play' bet. You are assured a profit whoever wins the match.

That is a simplified version of 'Arb Betting'.

That's not arbing. That's trading!

Arbing shouldn't involve the risk of the odds moving. You back both sides SIMULTANEOUSLY to avoid the risk of line/price moves.

**BigdaddyQH** · 03-17-14, 02:39 PM

The bottom line is this. Any on line Sports Book can, and will rip you off every chance they have. It is not like going to Vegas, making a wager, getting a ticket for your wager, and cashing in that ticket when you win. Off shore books are the most dishonest books around. Win too much money and they will greatly reduce the amount you can wager, or ban you all-together. They will delay payment, and may not pay you at all. They will put you through the ringer trying to collect. If you have to wager jusing these sports books, good luck.

**Hareeba!** · 03-17-14, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by BigdaddyQH

The bottom line is this. Any on line Sports Book can, and will rip you off every chance they have. It is not like going to Vegas, making a wager, getting a ticket for your wager, and cashing in that ticket when you win. Off shore books are the most dishonest books around. Win too much money and they will greatly reduce the amount you can wager, or ban you all-together. They will delay payment, and may not pay you at all. They will put you through the ringer trying to collect. If you have to wager jusing these sports books, good luck.

It is disappointing that there seem to be so many posters here with this attitude.

Most bookmakers, at least the ones I've dealt with, are not dishonest.

Sure, most will limit players who show any talent. But there are a small number of exceptions, notably Pinnacle and SBO. And then there are the exchanges which won't limit - Betfair and Matchbook.

When people talk of "offshore" bookmakers it would be helpful to know where they are. "Offshore" is a relative term. If you live in Ireland for example Paddy Power is not offshore. But if you live in the US they are. I am assuming that BigDaddy is from the US. So all online bookies would be "offshore". And as most which accept US customers are in CR I presume they are the ones he is primarily talking about. And perhaps he's not that far wrong. Personally I would be pretty wary of trusting most of them too. I don't do business with any book which accepts US customers.

The leading bookies in Europe and Australia are all cowards which will shun your business if you show any talent. But they are not cheats and thieves. They do have to put up with a lot of cheating and thieving customers though!

**relaaxx** · 03-17-14, 04:09 PM

living in the US is constantly restraining.

**mr.ed** · 03-18-14, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by BigdaddyQH

The bottom line is this. Any on line Sports Book can, and will rip you off every chance they have. It is not like going to Vegas, making a wager, getting a ticket for your wager, and cashing in that ticket when you win. Off shore books are the most dishonest books around. Win too much money and they will greatly reduce the amount you can wager, or ban you all-together. They will delay payment, and may not pay you at all. They will put you through the ringer trying to collect. If you have to wager jusing these sports books, good luck.

I've been wagering offshore for the last 15 years. Of the profits I have made, I have collected 98% of them. I arrive a this number by taking what I have won offshore minus what was not paid (e.g. lifetime profits 200K - 4k not paid = 98%). And I have played at a lot of questionable books rated "D" by SBR and other watchdog sites. I was burned by Betallworld, Betislands, and a few others, but all in all my collection percentage of "profits" is very good. While one still must exercise caution on how much he keeps at various books offshore, overall their record, at least with me, is excellent.

**jjgold** · 03-19-14, 06:13 AM

Offshore Bookmakers are books located in Costa Rica, Panama, Jamaica, DR that are not regulated like UK and Aussie books , there are a about 10 good ones still.

**goblue12** · 03-19-14, 11:49 AM

I've actually found off-shore to be much more tolerant of action than Vegas.

Vegas bookmakers are hesitant to take any wager over $100 on an obscure market (soccer, tennis, MMA, etc.) which is basically all I bet anymore sans NFL.

**mr.ed** · 03-19-14, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by goblue12

I've actually found off-shore to be much more tolerant of action than Vegas.

Vegas bookmakers are hesitant to take any wager over $100 on an obscure market (soccer, tennis, MMA, etc.) which is basically all I bet anymore sans NFL.

LVH took a dime on the Nadal final of the Aussie open back in January. That's all I asked for....maybe they would have taken more. Not sure what they take in non-majors, such as this weeks Sony in Miami.

**jjgold** · 03-20-14, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by goblue12

I've actually found off-shore to be much more tolerant of action than Vegas. Vegas bookmakers are hesitant to take any wager over $100 on an obscure market (soccer, tennis, MMA, etc.) which is basically all I bet anymore sans NFL.

you sure about that?? Do you live there??