Canadians who used to use Skrill/Moneybookers, Hows things now?

[Bill Dozer]

UPDATE: It's been about a month now... SKRILL replacements in effect?

Has it been more of a pain in the ass bringing money all the way home and resending? Whats youre 2nd choice?

[Stallion]

Terrible!!!!! Master Card and Cheque.

[Krashman]

1nstadebit works great for an e wallet. Very cheap to use if you keep funds in the wallet.

But it's only an available option at a few books, Pinny, Matchbook, Greek.

Betfair (and a few others) have 1nstadebit as a deposit option ONLY and NO viable payouts for Canadians (European bank transfers no longer work for North America although they offer it, along with other wallets that do NOT allow Canadian gambling transactions) in fact I may file a complaint about Betfair soon over this. Why offer it as a deposit but not as a withdrawal option? Seems they want my money stuck in the book. I've emailed them numerous times and requested they make 1nstadebit available for withdrawals and keep getting the run around.

Bodog use Interac bank transfers for next to free deposits and free monthly check payouts, works great so far.

Other than that, second rate books only have P2P options and I will not deposit at those, 10% cashout fees plus the hidden exchange fees are ridiculous.

[NavsPicks]

Canadians shud use Cibc v/SA debit... Anything else is a waste

[byronbb]

Canadians shud use Cibc v/SA debit... Anything else is a waste

hmmmm how about RBC V1SA debit? THey are notorious for being anti-gaming.

[the_situation]

InstaD was always number 1 and will continue to be. Only used Skrill for 2 books..was a nice option of course but not a killer losing it.

[the_situation]

Canadians shud use Cibc v/SA debit... Anything else is a waste

how so?

[cobra_king]

It has been a negative but not a disaster. ID is a fine replacement if you are just moving money around but not good if you need to move money from your bank account as limits are much smaller. Not enough books take them so expanding the arsenal is somewhat difficult but the main books take them. Those who fund multiple books will find they won't use the books that won't take ID so some outs have been taken out of the equation. The sky certainly got darker but it didn't completely fall in.

[jjgold]

I am surprised you guys do not use bank wires as the are the most underrated form of moving money, online gambling now really geared to UK , Asia and Europe.

[JoeyBagels]

Biggest problem for me with ID is 3k limit per 7 day period. Try to increase limit and they refuse even after you verify your bank account. Skrill gone hurts, point finale.

[thespeculator]

At betfair it is the worst without skrill, entro pay is my backup . Pinnacle can payout to entro in 30 minutes,yet betfair needs 2 business days. The cib c vdeb is a good option the payout usually arrives fourth business day from betfair, although cib c, says it should only take 2 days

[thespeculator]

I am surprised you guys do not use bank wires as the are the most underrated form of moving money, online gambling now really geared to UK , Asia and Europe.

JJ , betfair says wires take up to 7 business days . Is this a max date , would you know what the norm is for Canada. In another thread you mentioned will hill takes 3 to wire to Canada, then wires would be a great option

[dirtdog52658]

JJ , betfair says wires take up to 7 business days . Is this a max date , would you know what the norm is for Canada. In another thread you mentioned will hill takes 3 to wire to Canada, then wires would be a great option

All depends on when the company sends it out. I sent a wire from Costa Rica once to Canada, Sent Friday afternoon in account on monday morning.

[LEOLEO]

INSTA D.E.B.IT IS #1 FOR NOW
ECOPAYZ #2 IS GAINING STEAM 'OFFER INTER ACCT TRANSFERS LIKE MONEYBOOKERS DID, WHERE INSTA .D.E.B.I.T. DOES NOT, ALSO ECO, HAS MULTIPLE CURRENCY ACCTS, SIMILIAR TO MONEYBOOKERS AGAIN

INSTA.D.E.B.I.T OFFERED AT ONLY ABOUT 30% OF SPORTSBOOKS WHICH ARE b+
ECOPAYZ offered at about 25% of books which are b+

FINAL OPTION IS D.I.R.ECT DEP.O.S.I.T , WHICH BODOG HAS EMPLOYED, IE: "EMAIL MONEY TRANSFER" SYSTEM WHICH CAN BE DONE FROM UR PERSONAL DEBIT ACCOUNT

ALL OTHER BOOKS DONT OFFER THIS , (FOR MOST PART)

BUT SPORTING B.E.T AS WELL AS VICTOR OFFER NEITHER, BUT AVAIL THEMSELVES TO UKASH OR PAYSAFECARD DEPOSITS, THEN A wire WITHDRAWAL THAT JJGOLD TOUCHED ON,

JJ RECOMMENDS wire, BUT WHAT JJ DOESNT GET IS, BANK WIRING OUTGOING, IS NOT ONLY COSTLY, BUT RAISES QUESTIONS AT UR LOCAL BANK
BEST NOT TO GET THE LOCAL BRANCH INVOLVED

AS PER HSBC BANK BRANCH MANAGER 'RETARD FACE'..AFTER HE SPOKE TO HEAD OFFICE AFTER I BLEW UP ON HIM FOR NOT OPENING ME A CHEQUING ACCOUNT, WHERE I DISCLOSED, I WILL USE FOR SOME ONLINE RELATED wire TRANSACTIONS I WAS TOLD..


"ONLINE GAMING....HOWEVER NOT ILLEGAL IN CANADA, IT IS STILL NOT A "RECOGNIZED REGULATED BODY"
THEREFORE WE CHOOSE NOT TO OPEN THIS ACCOUNT TODAY"

2-3-4- OUTGOING BANK WIRES, TO 4 DIFF SPORTSBOOKS, GARNERS UNNECCESSARY ATTENTION AND QUESTIONING, AND AS I LEARNED, BEING LOOKED AT AS A POTENTIAL TERRORIST
JUST FOR OPENING AN ACCT

P.S.
VI.S.A BANNED GAMING, DOESNT WORK NAVA U MORON, ONCE U REGISTER AND ATTEMPT TO UPLAOD, IT WILL SAY "WILL THIS BE USED FOR GAMING" ??
PLS CHECK OR UNCHECK BOX

[NavsPicks]

how so?

My Cibc vlsa debit :
$13.50 unlimited checking offers me unlimited deposits no charge.

Withdrawals : bet365 is $10 for an urgent withdrawal and $15 for Cibc to post a wire transfer. So $25 fee and I get my money in 12 hours.. Don't even have to leave your house and no third party in the middle . Easy as it gets

[LEOLEO]

sorry nava, if that is in fact true,

so it is not a vlsa then ?

u upload via credit or debit ?? or do u have option , are they seperated?


do they have to post a withdrawal via wire transfer say you win 2000, ?? and ur vlsa cr.e.dit c.a.r.d limit is only 1000??

ie: do you need a bank account ?

or can they fund ur card any amount ?

[jjgold]

I do not think Entro is for Canadian Customers??

its tremendous in Europe..virtual private DC

[Krashman]

Biggest problem for me with ID is 3k limit per 7 day period. Try to increase limit and they refuse even after you verify your bank account. Skrill gone hurts, point finale.

The limit at 1nstadebit only seems to be on deposits to gaming site from your checking account.

However, if I withdraw from a gambling site to 1nstadebit, the funds are held in the 1nstadebit wallet. Subsequent deposits into another gambling site with funds already available in your 1nstadebit wallet do not count against the limit.

Also I withdrew 4.5k last week from 1nstadebit to my bank account, received funds the next day and did not count against my limit.

[Krashman]

INSTA D.E.B.IT IS #1 FOR NOW
ECOPAYZ #2 IS GAINING STEAM 'OFFER INTER ACCT TRANSFERS LIKE MONEYBOOKERS DID, WHERE INSTA .D.E.B.I.T. DOES NOT, ALSO ECO, HAS MULTIPLE CURRENCY ACCTS, SIMILIAR TO MONEYBOOKERS AGAIN

If you withdraw funds in USD from a gambling site to 1nstadebit, the funds are held in the 1nstadebit wallet in USD.

If you withdraw funds in CAD from a gambling site to 1nstadebit, the funds are held in the 1nstadebit wallet in CAD.

The wallet will hold both currencies, it is a multi currency wallet.

If you then deposit USD into a gambling site from your 1nstadebit e-wallet, it's taken from the USD balance.

If you deposit CAD into a gambling site from your 1nstadebit e-wallet, it's taken from the CAD balance.

However be careful, if you try to deposit into a gambling site more than your wallet currently holds, then the entire transaction will come from your checking account.

[bettingstation]

what website you can use skrill?

[Krashman]

ECOPAYZ #2 IS GAINING STEAM 'OFFER INTER ACCT TRANSFERS LIKE MONEYBOOKERS DID, WHERE INSTA .D.E.B.I.T. DOES NOT, ALSO ECO, HAS MULTIPLE CURRENCY ACCTS, SIMILIAR TO MONEYBOOKERS AGAIN

Can you withdraw from sportsbook back to Ecopayz?

[Krashman]

what website you can use skrill?

NONE if your Canadian.

Skrill no longer likes Canadians.

[Bill Dozer]

I am surprised you guys do not use bank wires as the are the most underrated form of moving money, online gambling now really geared to UK , Asia and Europe.

All kinds of problems. Canadians have to pay tax each time they bring the money I home I believe. With a good eWallet you can shop for the best line and depo what you want to bet. A lot harder to stay funded everywhere for multiple bets...JJ you forget the paypal days?

[Bill Dozer]

We will add lnstadebit to the rating guide filter tomorrow.

[dirtdog52658]

All kinds of problems. Canadians have to pay tax each time they bring the money I home I believe. With a good eWallet you can shop for the best line and depo what you want to bet. A lot harder to stay funded everywhere for multiple bets...JJ you forget the paypal days?

Canada lives in a grey area. Taxes are only required if gambling is proven to be your primary source of income or if it run like a business. Pretty sure they have tried to take this court 2 or 3 times and everytime the player came out on top.

[Stumpage]

Betfair (and a few others) have 1nstadebit as a deposit option ONLY and NO viable payouts for Canadians (European bank transfers no longer work for North America although they offer it.....

Krash, this is a little disconcerting. So if I request a bank transfer from Betfair, they're basically going to tell me that this can not be done? If that's the case, then as you noted that leaves absolutely zero possibilities of withdrawing...

[xxx]

Also I withdrew 4.5k last week from 1nstadebit to my bank account, received funds the next day and did not count against my limit.

good for me if this is the case.

[BigSpoon]

Been using Insta-Debit exclusively since Skrill is no longer an option. Like another poster has mentioned its just not as widely accepted as Skrill was/is. It sucks not being able to use Betdaq and the Asian books for soccer (SBOBET, 188Bet, Dafabet etc.) anymore.

[Krashman]

Krash, this is a little disconcerting. So if I request a bank transfer from Betfair, they're basically going to tell me that this can not be done? If that's the case, then as you noted that leaves absolutely zero possibilities of withdrawing...

I make that statement based on my experience with my last 2 bank transfer withdrawal attempts from 2 different sources.

To be fair, neither was Betfair, but both were using the European banking system, so I expect the same result with Betfair.

The first was a bank transfer withdrawal attempt from Skrill back on Dec 2nd, just before they dumped Canada. My withdrawal was missing for 25 days, before it finally bounced back.

As I tried to track it down, Skrill customer service told me this:

"Dear Krashman, I am sorry to hear that you still did not get your funds. Unfortunately, once we have changed our bank partner to Postbank Germany, we experience significant delays for our withdrawals and it is due to some internal bank procedures that we are not able to influence for the moment .... Best regards,Rumyana Georgieva, VIP Business Development Manager, Skrill VIP Team "

Like I said, 25 days later the funds were returned to my Skrill account, and the fee was refunded. I asked for more info, they did not seem to know why the withdrawal was returned, told me to ask my bank. But all previous withdrawals I ever made from Skrill, before they switched to a German bank, arrived in my account within a few days.

I got the rest of my bankroll out of Skrill by moving most into Pinny and withdrew some by check.

The 2nd bad bank transfer was from Interwetten (BAD book, avoid at all costs!) I withdrew my balance there $113, but it never arrived at my bank, finally bounced back to Interwetten 22 days later. Interwetten records showed they received back the entire $113, then Interwetten deducted a $65 fee for the failed bank transfer. lol I expressed disbelief at this and Interwetten said the bank took the fee. But Im pretty sure Interwetten pocketed the fee.

[BeardedTaco]

ecopayz needs more publicity, ask your sites to add it as an option

[jjgold]

I see UK and AU Paypal is widely accepted at many books also, can you imagine if USA was allowed to legally play all over the world ?? Books would have enormous volume. The Canadian guys should go to the UK and get bank accounts as they are very gambling friendly with books, wires so fast and so are Instant Bank Transfers.

[dirtdog52658]

I make that statement based on my experience with my last 2 bank transfer withdrawal attempts from 2 different sources.

To be fair, neither was Betfair, but both were using the European banking system, so I expect the same result with Betfair.

The first was a bank transfer withdrawal attempt from Skrill back on Dec 2nd, just before they dumped Canada. My withdrawal was missing for 25 days, before it finally bounced back.

As I tried to track it down, Skrill customer service told me this:

"Dear Krashman, I am sorry to hear that you still did not get your funds. Unfortunately, once we have changed our bank partner to Postbank Germany, we experience significant delays for our withdrawals and it is due to some internal bank procedures that we are not able to influence for the moment .... Best regards,Rumyana Georgieva, VIP Business Development Manager, Skrill VIP Team "

Like I said, 25 days later the funds were returned to my Skrill account, and the fee was refunded. I asked for more info, they did not seem to know why the withdrawal was returned, told me to ask my bank. But all previous withdrawals I ever made from Skrill, before they switched to a German bank, arrived in my account within a few days.

I got the rest of my bankroll out of Skrill by moving most into Pinny and withdrew some by check.

The 2nd bad bank transfer was from Interwetten (BAD book, avoid at all costs!) I withdrew my balance there $113, but it never arrived at my bank, finally bounced back to Interwetten 22 days later. Interwetten records showed they received back the entire $113, then Interwetten deducted a $65 fee for the failed bank transfer. lol I expressed disbelief at this and Interwetten said the bank took the fee. But Im pretty sure Interwetten pocketed the fee.

I sent a wire from Interwetten to a Canadian bank account last month without a hitch. And yes interwetten did pocket fees, such a cheap useless company. They charge 10% on winnings of bets as they are grading them.

Moneybookers having problems sending a wire from Germany could have to do with Germany's very strict gambling laws.

If you are using RBC in Canada you are going to encounter nothing but problems I suggest switching banks to TD or BMO.

[thespeculator]

I do not think Entro is for Canadian Customers??

its tremendous in Europe..virtual private DC

It is , I use it at several sites,

[William.Baker]

Hi Guys, I mentioned on another Thread that I use ecoPayz. I can play in multiple currencies, and get winnings instantly. Will always use them, best I have tried and I have tried many. Hope to have been of help :-)

[BigSpoon]

Hi Guys, I mentioned on another Thread that I use ecoPayz. I can play in multiple currencies, and get winnings instantly. Will always use them, best I have tried and I have tried many. Hope to have been of help :-)

Looked into ecopayz but the problem is that its even less widely accepted than 1nstadebit at online books.