pinnacle's juice

**Ruifgalmeida** · 12-11-13, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by Bimmerpost

i saw tonight on oddsportal that pinnacle has on every single champions league match big juice,ex 95%,92,7%.what is this?

that must be on 1x2 markets , on asian normaly is very reduce

**Bimmerpost** · 12-12-13, 01:57 AM

yes that is on 1x2 markets,but they had 98% or 98.5%now is 96,92.they had the best odds and the lowest juice,but now i see they dont.even bet365 has smaller juice.something changed in their business.i wanted to open a account but now i dont know.if you dont believe lock at oddsportal and access Europa league to see how big juice they have,if anyone knows something...

**Sawyer** · 12-12-13, 04:56 AM

Why you use Pinnacle? Do you want to lose money? You can find much better odds at softbooks like B365 and Bwin

Pinnacle's Reduced Juice is a lie. The better odds are always on loser. The winner side is always juiced. A+ Books are robbing you. Stick with B-C-D books. They're too soft.

**zoloto** · 12-12-13, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by Sawyer

Pinnacle's Reduced Juice is a lie. The better odds are always on loser. The winner side is always juiced

So let me know, which side is winner, my kindly friend. I ll be happy to bang these juicy lines.

**Sawyer** · 12-12-13, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by zoloto

So let me know, which side is winner, my kindly friend. I ll be happy to bang these juicy lines.

Easy. Just compare your softbook lines with pinnacle. For example, Fiorentina is 2,00-2,05 at softbooks while 1.87 at Pinny. Valencia and PSV are 1,85-1,90 at softbooks while only 1.70 at Pinnacle. Why pick something at 1.70 when you can pick it at 1.85-1.90??

**jjgold** · 12-12-13, 08:47 AM

Betting Pinnacle leans will put you in the poorhouse

**Sawyer** · 12-12-13, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by Ruifgalmeida

that must be on 1x2 markets , on asian normaly is very reduce

They changed it? Odds look very juicy to me.

For example,

EUROPA LEAGUE Odds,

+107 -120

Odds were better in the past iirc. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Looks like Pinny increased juice.

**Sawyer** · 12-12-13, 09:17 AM

But -0.5 market looks normal.

**allin1** · 12-12-13, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by Sawyer

Why you use Pinnacle? Do you want to lose money? You can find much better odds at softbooks like B365 and Bwin

Pinnacle's Reduced Juice is a lie. The better odds are always on loser. The winner side is always juiced. A+ Books are robbing you. Stick with B-C-D books. They're too soft.

http://www.pinnaclesports.com/betting-promotions/best-odds/soccer.aspx?ico=homepromo&icl=bes_soc

**Hareeba!** · 12-12-13, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Sawyer

Why you use Pinnacle? Do you want to lose money? You can find much better odds at softbooks like B365 and Bwin

Pinnacle's Reduced Juice is a lie. The better odds are always on loser. The winner side is always juiced. A+ Books are robbing you. Stick with B-C-D books. They're too soft.

Well let's just start with the first absurdity of this statement.
B365 and Bwin won't let you bet if you've given them any indication that you can win.

**zoloto** · 12-12-13, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by Sawyer

Easy. Just compare your softbook lines with pinnacle. For example, Fiorentina is 2,00-2,05 at softbooks while 1.87 at Pinny. Valencia and PSV are 1,85-1,90 at softbooks while only 1.70 at Pinnacle. Why pick something at 1.70 when you can pick it at 1.85-1.90??

Well, take in to consideration, that Fiorentina opener was 2.08 in pinnacle. So very soft, wasnt it?

**Hareeba!** · 12-12-13, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by Sawyer

Why you use Pinnacle? Do you want to lose money? You can find much better odds at softbooks like B365 and Bwin

Pinnacle's Reduced Juice is a lie. The better odds are always on loser. The winner side is always juiced. A+ Books are robbing you. Stick with B-C-D books. They're too soft.

Now for the second inaccuracy.
I've just checked my bets for the year to date and find that I have beaten Pinnacle.
So maybe I'd have done better elsewhere?
Perhaps, if I were able to bet at those certain "elsewheres".
But mostly I bet where I can get the best price for the bet I want out of Pinnacle, Betfair, Matchbook and SBO and Pinnacle has it enough times to justify keeping them.

**dealer wins** · 12-12-13, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by Sawyer

Why you use Pinnacle? Do you want to lose money? You can find much better odds at softbooks like B365 and Bwin

Pinnacle's Reduced Juice is a lie. The better odds are always on loser. The winner side is always juiced. A+ Books are robbing you. Stick with B-C-D books. They're too soft.

What a complete and total load of bollocks LOL

**zoloto** · 12-12-13, 05:18 PM

Summa summarum: The best value is in pinnacle. They are simply accountant machine, made to balance book whatever happens. They set the odds, set the limits, and allow you to bet. And if you bet very hard, they simply invert their odds, I believe, without human involved, by software machinery. My experience.