Question for SBR

**relaaxx** · 02-20-13, 09:21 PM

wow. that's some limb to be on. don't think sbr will be out on any limbs when it comes to BI.

**brettels** · 02-20-13, 09:23 PM

SBR no longer have thoughts on anything

**Fitz030808** · 02-20-13, 09:46 PM

Just an official comment would be nice. They are soliciting old BI players.

**Hankwins** · 02-20-13, 10:43 PM

surprised touchback has not submitted a review.

**KennyM10** · 02-21-13, 12:14 AM

Don't worry Santa or the Easter Bunny will provide the bailout.

**Hankwins** · 02-21-13, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by KennyM10

Don't worry Santa or the Easter Bunny will provide the bailout.

This thread is not about a bailout being tight lipped about a book that sent emails to everyone in the database of a boook that shut down with 1..5 mil in players funds. Quite interesting SBR would not step up and say if they felt looselines was shady orr not.

**Fitz030808** · 02-21-13, 07:46 AM

Hankwins-exactly. I knew I'd get a few douche answers. I'm not looking for a handout. I didn't have a dollar in BI at the time it closed. I'm just curious as to why the "watch dogs" of the industry hasn't commented on a book,that obviously has all BI information, is emailing players offering them a massive bailout package.

**SBR Forum** · 02-21-13, 08:43 AM

BI started in the Jazz building, which also powers that brand. I'm sure they didn't destroy copies of BI's database when the book moved into its new digs, that explains how they've got your information.

Jazz maintains a D rating. They admittedly slow-pay large winners but there haven't been small complaints filed. If a guy who lost his cash at BI wants to accept a no-deposit offer for a chance at some of his cash back with a rollover, that would be ideal. Requiring a deposit is more a glorified bonus offer from a shop looking to capitalize. It's up to the player.

**Fitz030808** · 02-21-13, 11:29 AM

Thanks for the response. That's all I was looking for.

**touchback** · 02-21-13, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by SBR Forum

BI started in the Jazz building, which also powers that brand. I'm sure they didn't destroy copies of BI's database when the book moved into its new digs, that explains how they've got your information.

Jazz maintains a D rating. They admittedly slow-pay large winners but there haven't been small complaints filed. If a guy who lost his cash at BI wants to accept a no-deposit offer for a chance at some of his cash back with a rollover, that would be ideal. Requiring a deposit is more a glorified bonus offer from a shop looking to capitalize. It's up to the player.

Solid Answer... Jazz and the Jazz brands were a big time gaming brand coming out of Costa Rica about 5 years ago. They didnt have a foot print they had a stomp print... was just a case of excessive growth combined with a bit of bad luck. I actually used to go to one of thier casinos that was at the White House in Escazu to throw down on Black Jack. The manager was an a55 though... crack the guy for a dime and he would act like he was selling his mother just to comp a drink. Used to annoy the crap out of me considering every drink at the bar was like 10 bucks and we are talkin Central America. Anyway, went up just like every other business they have tried to run out of that place. Seriously cursed it is... bunch of girls were murdered there getting off their shifts, was a sad day.
So... I wont comment on the run of bad luck but will say SBR gave a solid answer...

**Hankwins** · 02-27-13, 01:09 AM

i am confused. betislands started in the jazz buillding. who powers what brand?? how does a company that ultilizes a database of bankrupt brand that fleeced players allowed to maintain a d rating? isn't that very shady behaviour?

**touchback** · 02-27-13, 03:51 PM

Jazz is a standalone brand with infrastructure... meaning callcenter, servers, IT staff and of course the betting platform... think it is DGS. Anyway, it is a matter of the database which technically once established belongs to the owner because no one truly removes or deletes database data off the servers much like data on the internet. Once something hits the net it ends up getting archived all over place across the world. So when they say once it hits the net it never goes away then thats what it means... it never goes away. It is archived somewhere, someplace and one of these archives will always remain indefinitly... never the end. So I figure great great Grandma on Girls Gone Wild will always pop up for decades to come. Something to consider before dabbling in amateur porn dont you think. Anyway... so Jazz has this database which owns LooseLines, no big deal since BetIslands just does not exist anymore. Really, I can see your point Hank but really who cares... you personally do not get that many offers probably because your on a few sharp lists so your data gets scrubbed from outbound marketing campaigns. Do I think it is safe to throw a few hundro at Loosey... sure, why not. Do not crack em to hard and take a quick payout on a new campaign which they are most likely to expedite on the front end. So do not take your time throwing shots, get in and get out and you should be fine with them.
So good luck to you Loosey players and lets not foreot our amateur porn actors...

**touchback** · 02-27-13, 03:53 PM

PS... because of the Jazz rating if you have an issue SBR will probably not be able to help... JAZZ (Looselines) will not give a sh1t what SBR has to say or think...

**SBR Forum** · 02-27-13, 05:57 PM

Jazz has actually been fairly open as far as discussing issues. As mentioned previously, aside from the payment plans and headaches that large players are dealing with, there hasn't been much else that has come in.

**touchback** · 02-28-13, 12:08 PM

Well, discussing issues (old and known) is one thing and by your own words ¨there has not been much else that has come in¨ are not definitive situations to measure a books cooperation. If something or things do start to come up that would then be the measure of cooperation. Just going by SBRs own statement, better cooperation and or results comes from B rated or better services... so or since we are hanging around the Ds in this particular case I would think they would probably tell you to take a walk off a pier.

**SBR Forum** · 02-28-13, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by touchback

Well, discussing issues (old and known) is one thing and by your own words ¨there has not been much else that has come in¨ are not definitive situations to measure a books cooperation. If something or things do start to come up that would then be the measure of cooperation. Just going by SBRs own statement, better cooperation and or results comes from B rated or better services... so or since we are hanging around the Ds in this particular case I would think they would probably tell you to take a walk off a pier.

It is not so black and white. Jazz understands why they maintain their rating and aren't particularly interested in more quickly paying sharps that have beaten them badly. They claim regular players are paid normally according to the times listed on their website - by "not much else has come in", I mean, there have been no filed complaints or posts that I'm aware of that say otherwise. It's not a book that hangs up on and curses at you, like some others.

**touchback** · 02-28-13, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by SBR Forum

It's not a book that hangs up on and curses at you, like some others.

HAHAHH Fair enough, you got that right. Some real a55holes in the biz that never paid attention to what they were taught in kindergarden when it comes to manners and being polite let alone professional. It must really suck having to contact some of these shops... they should have your job on that show DIRTY JOBS from all the filth you must have to be subjected too over the phone.