Gtbets the real deal!

**jazy989** · 02-14-13, 01:21 PM

72 hours ?

**jazy989** · 02-14-13, 01:22 PM

So they are?

**stevex** · 02-14-13, 01:26 PM

Yep, end of story. Thanks.

**jazy989** · 02-14-13, 01:39 PM

Fast payouts?

**jazy989** · 02-14-13, 02:48 PM

Now they say just my payout has an issue with w u last ** payout was a month ago and never deposit under my name BS BS
Cb tomorrow

**Hankwins** · 02-14-13, 03:06 PM

how impatient you are about a 1k p2p, leads one to believe you showed yourself the door.

**stevex** · 02-14-13, 03:25 PM

Thank you Hankwins. Exactly my point. Some of these complaints are just ridiculous. He's just knit picking at this point.

**jazy989** · 02-14-13, 04:21 PM

Will wait

**jazy989** · 02-14-13, 07:36 PM

No i req my balance and they got mad beat them and they cry!
they are not great

**touchback** · 02-14-13, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by stevex

Smaller books need to show people the door that get them for a decent amount over a short period. Do you guys want another BI disaster?

Facts... there are a few under funded or under backed new shops out there who are showing very similar if not identical policies towards sharps and winners. Sharps are one thing and winners another. It is a very smart move to get rid of sharps as fast as possible if you are a new service. A new service lacks the reserve, infrastructure, lines of credit or backing willing to take the heat the average sharp can bring until they hit a bad run. Yes, sharps have bad runs and loose... it is the really wise guys that can pound on you all day at over 70% that can hurt. Most sharps are not that good and eventually loose as well as the fact that old shops lay off the action or use it to push off of... meaning move their lines off of it to increase the house edge which is more profitable than just tracking Pinny. This is a serious operation though with old school head lines men on top of things and the connects to layoff enough volume to make it worth it. The average new start up is usually a couple sales guys that ripped a list or database and have a basic understanding of booking and they, if lucky, go out and find a backer for a few bucks and throw together a service running off of a perhead skin. It is very unstable and could get its back broken at any second... period. The usual is big bonuses and what is obviously reduced service options. The first to go is call center and another indicator is throwing out all sharps and winners which is foolish. This is gambling, it is not called losing or winning but gambling. If you throw out every guy that hits a little run then you are cutting out your revenue base. There are only so many complete square, total losers out there and you need these guys, the ones with small winning runs, that hit their little runs because it only makes up 6% to 8% of wins and the rest of the time they lose. If you throw them all out then you end up with nothing but the couple squares and that is not enough to run a service... period. So these guys think they are smart with their new brands but are really just another BetIslands waiting to happen when their revenue streams dry up... when the revenue streams start drying up then they get desperate and start to offer even more big bonuses not just on initial but reloads as well... it just gets insane and builds on itself because they have backed themselves into a corner an cannot get out... finally the revenue streams are diminished and cannot support operations expenses and low season hits when the bonuses come back to bite them in the a55. When the withdrawals overload capacity and a weak to medium backer has had enough they just say f·ck it and disappear. Now no more service and a bunch of stiffed customers. You all have now been warned and told what to look for... I was asked to give a list of reasonably safe books in my opinion and I will within the next 48 hours. Good luck you guys and watch for the signs I have pointed out.

**Fitz030808** · 02-14-13, 08:36 PM

Agree with all said above. All valid points and forum members should take to heart before posting up.

I feel the 70% number and above is a little high but understand the point the was being made. Great post.

**jazy989** · 02-14-13, 10:08 PM

Sharp i sent 400 won a grand then i get run around they got mad i left 100 in my account after payout what a joke i guess they wanted me to lose my money

**jazy989** · 02-14-13, 10:12 PM

[QUOTE=jazy989;17819658]Sharp i sent 400 won a grand then i get run around they got mad i left 100 in my account after payout what a joke i guess they wanted me to lose my money now they say i might be blacklisted no i am not

**Hankwins** · 02-14-13, 10:13 PM

you said earlier you only won $600 profit, get your facts straight jazy.

**jazy989** · 02-14-13, 10:13 PM

Gt bets is a joke

**Hankwins** · 02-14-13, 10:18 PM

jazy, you will consider yourself bill gates if reach your goal of 10K they way you're sweating 72 hours on a 1k payout.

**jazy989** · 02-14-13, 10:18 PM

Sent 400 dollars 50 percent bonus req. 1000 left 52 dollars in my account they closed it and sent it all to me now there is a problem understand now

**jazy989** · 02-14-13, 10:21 PM

Hankwins why do u care?

**jazy989** · 02-14-13, 10:22 PM

Do u work 4 gt bets why do u care?

**jazy989** · 02-14-13, 10:25 PM

I just want my grand

**Hankwins** · 02-14-13, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by jazy989

Sent 400 dollars 50 percent bonus req. 1000 left 52 dollars in my account they closed it and sent it all to me now there is a problem understand now

i find your stories amusing is all so you deposit 400 get 200 bonus and cashout $1000, that's called winning $652. you keep saying you won a grand. i'd think A guy that started a thread wanting to flip cash at small books would try to cash more than $600 .

**jazy989** · 02-15-13, 08:09 AM

Max payout w u 1 grand will update today i did say i wanted to get to 10 grand and 1 grand was a start

**jazy989** · 02-15-13, 11:06 AM

Ok got payout info today time to move on nuff said about gt bets

**touchback** · 02-16-13, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by touchback

Facts... there are a few under funded or under backed new shops out there who are showing very similar if not identical policies towards sharps and winners. Sharps are one thing and winners another. It is a very smart move to get rid of sharps as fast as possible if you are a new service. A new service lacks the reserve, infrastructure, lines of credit or backing willing to take the heat the average sharp can bring until they hit a bad run. Yes, sharps have bad runs and loose... it is the really wise guys that can pound on you all day at over 70% that can hurt. Most sharps are not that good and eventually loose as well as the fact that old shops lay off the action or use it to push off of... meaning move their lines off of it to increase the house edge which is more profitable than just tracking Pinny. This is a serious operation though with old school head lines men on top of things and the connects to layoff enough volume to make it worth it. The average new start up is usually a couple sales guys that ripped a list or database and have a basic understanding of booking and they, if lucky, go out and find a backer for a few bucks and throw together a service running off of a perhead skin. It is very unstable and could get its back broken at any second... period. The usual is big bonuses and what is obviously reduced service options. The first to go is call center and another indicator is throwing out all sharps and winners which is foolish. This is gambling, it is not called losing or winning but gambling. If you throw out every guy that hits a little run then you are cutting out your revenue base. There are only so many complete square, total losers out there and you need these guys, the ones with small winning runs, that hit their little runs because it only makes up 6% to 8% of wins and the rest of the time they lose. If you throw them all out then you end up with nothing but the couple squares and that is not enough to run a service... period. So these guys think they are smart with their new brands but are really just another BetIslands waiting to happen when their revenue streams dry up... when the revenue streams start drying up then they get desperate and start to offer even more big bonuses not just on initial but reloads as well... it just gets insane and builds on itself because they have backed themselves into a corner an cannot get out... finally the revenue streams are diminished and cannot support operations expenses and low season hits when the bonuses come back to bite them in the a55. When the withdrawals overload capacity and a weak to medium backer has had enough they just say f·ck it and disappear. Now no more service and a bunch of stiffed customers. You all have now been warned and told what to look for... I was asked to give a list of reasonably safe books in my opinion and I will within the next 48 hours. Good luck you guys and watch for the signs I have pointed out.

Fitz... thanks 4 the props as they say. Ya, 70% was a little high fair enough... was trying to make a point to those that lack a real mathematical understanding of whats going on and it seems at least a few of you got my point. When dealing with high volume, which GT is definitely not, even a few points can make a huge difference to the bottom line of a houses sheet. A great example of excellent number manipulation is GANCHOW, over at Heritage. S, (S is short for his real name, quite a few S´s over at that outfit and one of the nicest setups in the biz, they even got a freakn waterfall in the lobby. It is one of the nicest books in all of Costa Rica and R is a stand up guy overall) really is on the ball when it comers to applying juice to sharp profiles... most guys do not get it and I am also talking about or mean sharps. The finesse behind the juice used on customers that have been profiled as sharp is almost what I consider an art. Anyway, only new, small, underfunded or just badly run shops throw out everyone, a winning streak of 5 dimes or 10 dimes is really nolthing and any shop that is scared of this typr of action is basically one or 2 steps away from insolvency and if you see this type of behaviour then I would use extreme caution if you are thinking of depositing more than $300 and going into low season. If a service is throwing out small depositors based on small winning streaks then it indicates little or no reserve or they h

**touchback** · 02-16-13, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by touchback

Fitz... thanks 4 the props as they say. Ya, 70% was a little high fair enough... was trying to make a point to those that lack a real mathematical understanding of whats going on and it seems at least a few of you got my point. When dealing with high volume, which GT is definitely not, even a few points can make a huge difference to the bottom line of a houses sheet. A great example of excellent number manipulation is GANCHOW, over at Heritage. S, (S is short for his real name, quite a few S´s over at that outfit and one of the nicest setups in the biz, they even got a freakn waterfall in the lobby. It is one of the nicest books in all of Costa Rica and R is a stand up guy overall) really is on the ball when it comes to applying juice to sharp profiles... most guys do not get it and I am also talking about or mean sharps. The finesse behind the juice used on customers that have been profiled as sharp is almost what I consider an art. Anyway, only new, small, underfunded, weakly backed or just badly run shops throw out everyone, a winning streak of 5 dimes or 10 dimes is really nothing and any shop that is scared of this type of action is basically one or 2 steps away from insolvency and if you see this type of behaviour then I would use extreme caution if you are thinking of depositing more than $300 and going into low season. If a service is throwing out small depositors based on small winning streaks then it indicates little or no reserve or they h

Sorry guys, it accidently posted before I finished and I do not have rights to edit... continuation...
or they have a sheet deep in the red from all the ridiculous initial load bonuses and ridiculous reload bonuses and of course all the other ridiculous unsustainable other crap they have given away to jump start a customer base. So, of course you end up with a bunch of squares or recreational guys that have winning histories that under normal circumstances would never happen in a million years. So what, you throw them out for their little winning streaks which normally they would lose... ridiculolus. Any service run in this manner deserves to have its frickn back broken in twenty places... add to the fact they have created a base that now runs around demanding this crap from other places and are basically just a pàin in the a55 to deal with... and to top it off they actually think they are wise guys, are you frickn kidding me, just a bunch of clowns getting over on horribly run shops. This is not specifically directed at GT, it just happens to be a thread were I am stating some facts...

PS... I am double checking a few things before I post a number of safer shops for low season... I have not forgotten.
PPS... to you new startups that are following the above business model... change as fast as possible and also, the easiest lead player customer lists to get are just as easily gotten by everyone else which means the same players are being pounded by sales and emails but they only have the same amount of money to deposit.. so what do you think, they are gonna come up with extra money to post up at every shop that calls them a million times or emails... NO. Go to the trouble to get the right contacts or access to good lists and then work them respectfully, that does not mean a million phone calls and emails. Guys respond better to being treated with respect and the truth...

**Courtesywipe** · 02-17-13, 01:48 AM

You pretty much summed me up too a'T'

**jazy989** · 02-17-13, 09:29 AM

I think betrevolution is better than gt bets

**Ron29301** · 02-19-13, 09:10 AM

Gtbets is that book. Great customer service, fast payout, no silly papers via mail. Can't complain one bit. Never been stiffed.