SBR Johm, do you remember when

[Dark Horse]

you said you never wanted to see another Cascade on your watch?

So now you're an integral part of one...

My question is very simple. Instead of having Dozer shift responsibility to players (players weren't in CR to judge the financial security of the book...), why don't you just stand up and take the blame? Let SBR compensate the players for the full BI bill and your reputation as a stand-up guy would be cemented for years to come. Your brand is going down the drain faster than you can count, but you make that investment and it would quiet everybody instantly.

This one is on you. Sure, it would be nice to have books bail players out, but that doesn't change the fact. Take this opportunity to reclaim what SBR was once about. Credibility. You don't do this, you'll never reclaim it. You know that.

[raydog]

yes, all sbr's fault...they made you deposit...they made people give bi rave reviews and made posters pimp the site non-stop...they made you take the great bonuses and put money into a book with a handful of phone operators only... no linesman, no betting platform or lines of their own...you are quickly becoming the dumbest fukk at this place... blaming sbr for a book stiffing players and going out of business...mother of god

[JasonDC]

yes, all sbr's fault...they made you deposit...they made people give bi rave reviews and made posters pimp the site non-stop...they made you take the great bonuses and put money into a book with a handful of phone operators only... no linesman, no betting platform or lines of their own...you are quickly becoming the dumbest fukk at this place... blaming sbr for a book stiffing players and going out of business...mother of god

Raydog and raiders..starting linebackers for SBR...in every thread coming to their defense...im not putting full blame on SBR, but it seems obvious you have an agenda..there is no way you care enough about the credibility of SBR to post as much as you do...there is something in it for you, you have a dog in this fight.

[HedgeHog]

yes, all sbr's fault.

Your posts make more sense when shortened.

[raydog]

Raydog and raiders..starting linebackers for SBR...in every thread coming to their defense...im not putting full blame on SBR, but it seems obvious you have an agenda..there is no way you care enough about the credibility of SBR to post as much as you do...there is something in it for you, you have a dog in this fight.

thats good, because shit happens...there have been much better books fold up and it will happen again...blaming sites like sbr , e o g , therx, covers, etc. is ridiculous...you have to know there is risk in everything you do...if sbr could have saved a few weeks of deposits, damnit they should have and they are complete assholes for not doing so...but holding them responsible for anything else is flat out ignorant imo

jesus...there is no agenda, jdc...in fact, you are talking to a guy who has gone out of his way in the past to make sure i was off any of sbrs sheets...the place wont make money off me.... its post after post with this asshat and his delusional view of the entire thing...no clue why he is allowed to keep up this clueless bashing... sbr made me do this, sbr made me do that, all sbrs fault guy is a fukking moron

[raydog]

Your posts make more sense when shortened.

go spend some of your bi freeplays...

[big joe 1212]

I blame all the shills for sucking Jon's kock when other posters were raising red flags for 2 months prior to the collapse. Anyone who deposited after the middle of November clearly didn't do their homework and anyone who didn't get their money out when the "processor" issues started should look in the mirror.

Do I think SBR was hiding what they knew? Absolutely!

But everyone keeps saying how SBR is going down but they keep posting on this site.

[HedgeHog]

I blame all the shills for sucking Jon's kock when other posters were raising red flags for 2 months prior to the collapse. Anyone who deposited after the middle of November clearly didn't do their homework and anyone who didn't get their money out when the "processor" issues started should look in the mirror.

Do I think SBR was hiding what they knew? Absolutely!

But everyone keeps saying how SBR is going down but they keep posting on this site.

Easier said than done. I was lucky to get two p2ps near the end (instead of a 5k check), but stil ended up eating 10k.

[HedgeHog]

go spend some of your bi freeplays...

Hump some more SBR leg, gaydog.

[big joe 1212]

Easier said than done. I was lucky to get two p2ps near the end (instead of a 5k check), but stil ended up eating 10k.

true, and I truly feel bad for anyone who got fukked over

some people never tried though and bashed the ones who were raising red flags

[chilidog]

LOL, what does SBR care? They already have the affiliate commissions, and they'll keep getting your affiliate commissions for years to come.

[PharaohUB]

I still don't understand how anybody in there right mind kept more then a couple K at this book. Especially once it was clear that they were affiliated with ez street. Like why the fck wouldnt u just play at 5dimes or heritage? they both have reduced juice and offer more options. if you have that much money at betislands then you were probably a professional and were scalping lines. The whole reason they went bankrupt in the first place. I don't feel bad for anyone with large balances. And anyone with small balances will survive. I don't think SBR was involved at all. Negligence, but not theft. If you really want to make this right, walk into EZstreetsports office and go Adam Lanza on them. The people to really get pissed at are BetIslands lieing to the community about their financial issues and the need for ez to bail them out, and most importantly EZstreet because they were the real masterminds behind this. It can't be any more obious what happened. BI and EZ merged because BI was out of money. They started sharing IT platforms months and months ago as proof. EZ got sick and tired of all the sharps that BI had brought on and shut the shiit down.

[PharaohUB]

Do you remember when BI started pulling their promises on rebates, and posting lines later, and taking horse book down for a few days, etc, etc, etc. Think maybe that was due to pressure by their sugar daddies EZ? hmmmm

[PharaohUB]

SBR is just a platform to be a watchdog on the community, a place of discussion, etc. They aren't going to catch every bad guy. If a citizen robs 1M from the local bank, the local policemen don't have to chip in their salaries to reimburse the bank because they did a bad job.

1.5M is not something realistic to expect SBR just to have in their back pocket to dish out. Sure they probably make a decent revenue. But start deducting IT costs, Moderator salaries, sportsbook gifts, HR, public relations, etc, etc, etc etc I'm sure their bottom line isn't as amazing as some of you think. The fact that they give back with an SBR book, and generous gifts is amazing in itself. What other forum in the world offers those perks? They obviously care about their members.

And let's play devils advocate and say SBR makes millions and millions of dollars off ad revenue and they could easily cut a 1.5M check. Okay so if that were true, then why would they collude with betislands to maybe get a small cut of 1.5M pot?

I think that this community has saved many headaches and dollars to people who have been lucky enough to find this site. Sorry for rambling I just think this SBR directed anger is getting kind of out of control. They don't owe you anything. They fcked up and trusted BI and tried to be right by both sides. Even if they knew BI was getting financially bailed out, it is probably best for the "FORUM MEMBERS" by their perspective to not cause mass hysteria and everybody starts withdrawing. They probably thought the best chance for us to get our money was believe BI and that they were getting financially bailed out by EZ, and do their best not to cause mass hysteria pubically destroying both companies cash flow? Destroying all credibility of the website and making it impossible to turn the business around.

Yes on a person by person basis especially when they were taking deposits at the end. That sht was fcked up. But I hardly suspect SBR thought that's how it would play out.

this was a hostage situation. sbr members were the hostages, and sbr was on the phone negotaiting with EZ/BI. if at any point sbr tipped the community about what was going on, you were all going to get shot and killed. they tried to negotiate, but at the end it got ugly and you all got killed anyway.

[HedgeHog]

SBR is just a platform to be a watchdog on the community, a place of discussion, etc. They aren't going to catch every bad guy. If a citizen robs 1M from the local bank, the local policemen don't have to chip in their salaries to reimburse the bank because they did a bad job.

1.5M is not something realistic to expect SBR just to have in their back pocket to dish out. Sure they probably make a decent revenue. But start deducting IT costs, Moderator salaries, sportsbook gifts, HR, public relations, etc, etc, etc etc I'm sure their bottom line isn't as amazing as some of you think. The fact that they give back with an SBR book, and generous gifts is amazing in itself. What other forum in the world offers those perks? They obviously care about their members.

And let's play devils advocate and say SBR makes millions and millions of dollars off ad revenue and they could easily cut a 1.5M check. Okay so if that were true, then why would they collude with betislands to maybe get a small cut of 1.5M pot?

I think that this community has saved many headaches and dollars to people who have been lucky enough to find this site. Sorry for rambling I just think this SBR directed anger is getting kind of out of control. They don't owe you anything. They fcked up and trusted BI and tried to be right by both sides. Even if they knew BI was getting financially bailed out, it is probably best for the "FORUM MEMBERS" by their perspective to not cause mass hysteria and everybody starts withdrawing. They probably thought the best chance for us to get our money was believe BI and that they were getting financially bailed out by EZ, and do their best not to cause mass hysteria pubically destroying both companies cash flow? Destroying all credibility of the website and making it impossible to turn the business around.

Yes on a person by person basis especially when they were taking deposits at the end. That sht was fcked up. But I hardly suspect SBR thought that's how it would play out.

this was a hostage situation. sbr members were the hostages, and sbr was on the phone negotaiting with EZ/BI. if at any point sbr tipped the community about what was going on, you were all going to get shot and killed. they tried to negotiate, but at the end it got ugly and you all got killed anyway.

And while this negotiating was going on, new hostages were being lured in by BI with the blessing of this "watchdog" forum. Just collateral damage I guess--they probably deserved it too, right?

[bubba]

thats good, because shit happens...there have been much better books fold up and it will happen again..

if a book that deserved the B rating folded up and stole money, there would be outrage. but this is much worse. this book should never have been more than a D. There was 0 backing and it was not making money. A book that sbr properly endorses folds, it is an awful situation but the blame is not on SBr. SBR lies or is extremely lazy and endorses a book and it is a much bigger issue.

[Robber]

How much money did sbr take from betislands?

[the_orangekat]

SBR is just a platform to be a watchdog on the community, a place of discussion, etc. They aren't going to catch every bad guy. If a citizen robs 1M from the local bank, the local policemen don't have to chip in their salaries to reimburse the bank because they did a bad job.

1.5M is not something realistic to expect SBR just to have in their back pocket to dish out. Sure they probably make a decent revenue. But start deducting IT costs, Moderator salaries, sportsbook gifts, HR, public relations, etc, etc, etc etc I'm sure their bottom line isn't as amazing as some of you think. The fact that they give back with an SBR book, and generous gifts is amazing in itself. What other forum in the world offers those perks? They obviously care about their members.

And let's play devils advocate and say SBR makes millions and millions of dollars off ad revenue and they could easily cut a 1.5M check. Okay so if that were true, then why would they collude with betislands to maybe get a small cut of 1.5M pot?

I think that this community has saved many headaches and dollars to people who have been lucky enough to find this site. Sorry for rambling I just think this SBR directed anger is getting kind of out of control. They don't owe you anything. They fcked up and trusted BI and tried to be right by both sides. Even if they knew BI was getting financially bailed out, it is probably best for the "FORUM MEMBERS" by their perspective to not cause mass hysteria and everybody starts withdrawing. They probably thought the best chance for us to get our money was believe BI and that they were getting financially bailed out by EZ, and do their best not to cause mass hysteria pubically destroying both companies cash flow? Destroying all credibility of the website and making it impossible to turn the business around.

Yes on a person by person basis especially when they were taking deposits at the end. That sht was fcked up. But I hardly suspect SBR thought that's how it would play out.

this was a hostage situation. sbr members were the hostages, and sbr was on the phone negotaiting with EZ/BI. if at any point sbr tipped the community about what was going on, you were all going to get shot and killed. they tried to negotiate, but at the end it got ugly and you all got killed anyway.

FINALLY someone with a well-thought out post. All the BI crybabies are really getting annoying. You got burned, it sucks, it's not fair but it happened. Move on.

[nicabet]

BI is nothing like cascade. for sbr it's ways worse. there are probably more BI thread per day than cascade had in it's entire existance. they were around a long time and promoted other places as well. BI was all sbr. they got what they wanted.

[raydog]

BI is nothing like cascade. for sbr it's ways worse. there are probably more BI thread per day than cascade had in it's entire existance. they were around a long time and promoted other places as well. BI was all sbr. they got what they wanted.

who got what they wanted? bi or sbr? the money pulled out of bi and it went broke...you think thats what they wanted??? you think sbr got what they wanted? you think they wanted to lose business and have steady income go away and have all the rumors and hate spreading around about them??? do you really think this is what they wanted? seriously, where do you guys get this shit?

i have a problem with one guy spitting complete nonsense in every single delusional post he makes...you assholes got a problem with me calling him out on it? it doesnt matter what the topic is and i said this at peeps, you act like a fukking moron, im going to call you a fukking moron...

[bubba]

who got what they wanted? bi or sbr? the money pulled out of bi and it went broke...you think thats what they wanted??? you think sbr got what they wanted? you think they wanted to lose business and have steady income go away and have all the rumors and hate spreading around about them??? do you really think this is what they wanted? seriously, where do you guys get this shit?

i have a problem with one guy spitting complete nonsense in every single delusional post he makes...you assholes got a problem with me calling him out on it? it doesnt matter what the topic is and i said this at peeps, you act like a fukking moron, im going to call you a fukking moron...

bi got what they wanted. maybe not what they wanted originally, but at some point they wanted to be able to take what money they had and run. they wanted to lie and make it appear that there were processor issues and sbr's silence helped make this appear true. betislands certainly got what they wanted, when exactly it is what they wanted is still unkown to us.

[uncynd]

Let SBR compensate the players for the full BI bill and your reputation as a stand-up guy would be cemented for years to come.

You are a complete retard, seriously get a life or a BRAIN.

[CrazyCarl]

Whether SBR knowingly duped you or they just got it wrong, perhaps the best thing to do going forward is to take this as a lesson that books can stiff you regardless of what SBR says about them, and plan accordingly.

In either case, I don't understand how you expect SBR to pay you the difference. Either you're asking an unassociated site who got duped to pay you money because someone else stole from you, or you're begging one of the thieves to pay you back. Doesn't make too much sense, does it?

SBR is a 'watchdog' site, not an insurance for bad books site.

[looneytunes]

who got what they wanted? bi or sbr? the money pulled out of bi and it went broke...you think thats what they wanted??? you think sbr got what they wanted? you think they wanted to lose business and have steady income go away and have all the rumors and hate spreading around about them??? do you really think this is what they wanted? seriously, where do you guys get this shit?

i have a problem with one guy spitting complete nonsense in every single delusional post he makes...you assholes got a problem with me calling him out on it? it doesnt matter what the topic is and i said this at peeps, you act like a fukking moron, im going to call you a fukking moron...

agreed,
No one got what they wanted;
SBR recieved a ton of bad press, doubt they were making much from an affiliate package that was loaded with sharp action.
EZ had hoped to redo their image with all the great press BI was generating.
Sharps were using them as an ATM and probably pulled out way more out than was ever sent.
Shills dont get anymore free play.
Offshore industry gets a blackeye for a book that chose to use an unsustainable model.

Was SBR negligent in some way, probably. But to the extent some are claiming, don't see it.

[bubba]

Was SBR negligent in some way, probably. But to the extent some are claiming, don't see it.

PROBABLY???? Please tell me a potential scenario where they were not negligent in some way. I am so curious!

[Dark Horse]

You are a complete retard, seriously get a life or a BRAIN.

Excuse me?

Let's see. Strong opinion, rude, not many posts, no reasoning. So yes, one of the SBR ghosts/minions.