Ferrigno ??

Dirtdiver67 · 01-16-16, 11:42 AM

1-Unit Play. Take #522Wake Forest (-2.5) over Syracuse (Noon, Saturday, Jan. 16)
Here is a situation wherewe might as well just keep pounding against Syracuse. The Orange are off therails and it is a confluence of factors working against them. But first andforemost is the fact that they just aren't any good. This is the least talentedSyracuse team of the last six or seven years and they just don't have manyoptions. Wake Forest has revenge for a game up in The Dome last year that theyshould've won, instead falling 86-83 in overtime in a game they should've won.The Orange are a horrific 5-23 ATS in their last 28 ACC games and they are just17-35 ATS in their last 52 games overall.
2-Unit Play. Take #526Georgia Tech (-7.5) over Virginia Tech (Noon, Saturday, Jan. 16)
I think that this GeorgiaTech team is better than people realize. They are really experienced and AdamSmith has really solidified the backcourt and given them a scoring punch. Smithis going up against his old team here and that is extra motivation for one ofthe Yellowjackets' best players. Virginia Tech is coming off a gruelinglast-second win and I think they are going to have some heavy legs for thisearly start. I'll take the veteran home team.
2-Unit Play. Take #528Maryland (-10) over Ohio State (Noon, Saturday, Jan. 16)
Maryland is coming off anugly loss to Michigan. I don't think they are happy about it. And since it hasbeen a while - too long - since the Terps have just beat the piss out ofsomeone I think that we could see it today. Or they could lose. Who knows withthis team right now. Ohio State is really young and I have little respect forthem going on the road - mainly because they never do it. They lost by 20 atConnecticut and by 25 at Indiana. Neither of those teams is as motivated or astalented as Maryland. The Terps are overrated. That much we know. But they arestill good enough to lay into the Buckeyes here.
1-Unit Play. Take #529Cincinnati (-3.5) over Temple (Noon, Saturday, Jan. 16)
This is a revenge gamefor the Bearcats. They lost by 17 points - 17! - at home to Temple as a12-point favorite. But then again, Temple has home losses to Houston (by 27)and St. Joe's so they aren't unbeatable in Philadelphia. I actually think thatTemple has played over its head this year. I think they get beat back here.
1-Unit Play. TEASER: Take#526 Georgia Tech (-7.5) over Virginia Tech (Noon) AND Take #528 Maryland (-10)over Ohio State (Noon)

REST OF PLAYS AFTER NOON

85 BEARS · 01-16-16, 11:54 AM

SPS
3 wake forest - 1/2
3 Minnesota +10 1/2
3 Texas A&M - 1 1/2
3 Richmond -1
3 William & Mary + 4
3 E.Kentucky -2
3 Auburn + 12 1/2
3 Loyola (il) + 12 1/2
6 Iowa st -1
3 Pepperdine - 3 1/2
3 Colo st -4
3 wofford + 7 1/2
3 uc Irvine PK
3 Arkansas + 7

Eastman
8 Texas

Bears87 · 01-16-16, 12:03 PM

7u Fresno State -15

Dirtdiver67 · 01-16-16, 12:22 PM

2-Unit Play. Take #538St. Joseph's (-11) over Fordham (1 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
Fordham has been exposed.We've cashed against them in their last two games and there's no reason not tokeep going to the well against this shell-shocked group. The Rams picked up alot of cheap wins against terrible competition (mostly playing at home) butthis has been one of the worst programs in the country for awhile now and theyaren't anywhere near St. Joe's level.
1-Unit Play. Take #540South Carolina (-14.5) over Missouri (1 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
Missouri caught a lot ofbad news this week when sanctions were laid down on the program. I think theyfound out before it was reported and that led to them getting blown out at homeby Arkansas. It isn't going to be any easier here today at South Carolina. TheGamecocks are coming off a loss and they aren't happy at all. Add in the travelfor the Tigers and this one could get ugly.
1-Unit Play. Take #544Delaware (+7.5) over Northeastern (2 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)xxxxxxxxxx
Northeastern beatDelaware by about 50 in the first meeting. Now the Huskies are on the roadafter a tough home loss to James Madison and this one comes right before a biggame with Hofstra. Northeastern has had a really tough schedule and they couldget caught sleeping here.
3-Unit Play. Take #547Miami (-4.5) over Clemson (2 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
Yeah, I'm not buyingClemson. I get that they've covered five straight and are coming off four upsetwins in a row, including one against Duke. But these guys aren't that good. Ithink Miami is. They ran out of steam at Virginia on Tuesday, but this is aproven team that has a lot of really impressive performances already this year.They are bigger, more experienced, more motivated, and have played betteragainst a better schedule. Maybe Clemson can scum out another win or cover. ButI don't think so. I think Miami has a lot more talent and more scoring optionsand that will make the difference in what should be a tightly played,defense-first game.
2-Unit Play. Take #551Texas A&M (-2) over Georgia (2 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
Georgia is a lot betterthan people realize. That's what happens when you have excellent veteran guardplay. But A&M has excellent veteran guard play as well. And they are muchbetter on the interior than the Bulldogs. Georgia hasn't played anyone. Their winshave come against bad/mediocre competition, both in the nonconference and inleague play. A&M is a legit Top 20 team and they already have road wins atMiss State and Tennessee in games they controlled, as well as an impressivearray of home and neutral site wins. A&M has too much size and can matchGeorgia's experience. The better team wins here.
4-Unit Play. Take #560Kansas (-21.5) over TCU (2 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
Kansas got embarrassedthis week by West Virginia. They didn't lose: they got embarrassed. The onlyappropriate response is to go out and beat the ever-loving shit out of TCU. TheHorned Frogs suck. They just lost by 32 at Baylor. They lost by 21 at OklahomaState, and Oklahoma State is terrible. They also lost by 25 at Washington, so sufficeto say they don't play well on the road. TCU's claim to fame is some closegames with in-state rivals SMU and Texas (both at home). But they haven'tbeaten anyone and they could again be without their most efficient offensiveplayer, Malique Trent. TCU played Kansas really tough three times last year sothe Jayhawks will be wary. But TCU lost three starters and four of their bestsix players from that team and they are a shell. Kansas is going to light themup here.
2-Unit Play. Take #562UNC-Wilmington (-5) over William & Mary (2 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #564Rhode Island (-15) over LaSalle (2:30 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
2-Unit Play. Take #566Illinois (-3.5) over Nebraska (2:30 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
2-Unit Play. Take #580New Mexico (-10) over Wyoming (4 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #581UW-Milwaukee (-11) over Illinois-Chicago (4 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #586Hofstra (-4.5) over James Madison (4 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #587Iowa State (-1) over Kansas State (4 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #590Oklahoma (-6) over West Virginia (4 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
2-Unit Play. Take #595Pepperdine (-3.5) over San Francisco (4 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #607UL-Monroe (-3) over Georgia Southern (5 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #610South Alabama (+12) over UT-Arlington (5 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #613BYU (-9) over Portland (6 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #616Vanderbilt (-11) over Alabama (6 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
3-Unit Play. Take #618Texas (-7.5) over Oklahoma State (6 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take 'Over'129.0 Cleveland State at Northern Kentucky (7 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #634Wright State (-9) over Youngstown State (7 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #635UAB (-5.5) over Charlotte (7 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
2-Unit Play. Take #639UC-Irvine (Pk) over UC-Santa Barabara (7 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
7-Unit Play. Take #642Fresno State (-15) over San Jose State (7 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
I think that Fresno Statecould end up being the best team in the Mountain West this year. This is anadmittedly down season for the MWC. But this Fresno team is legit, and I thinkthat they are going to lay into a feeble San Jose State team today. FresnoState lost to Boise State its last time out and they have had to stew aboutthat loss for a full week. They will take to take some frustration out, similarto their 22-point win over Nevada at home after they were blasted by New Mexicoa few days before. Or like they did in a 19-point win over Pacific after atough loss at Arizona. Fresno beat San Jose by 18 last year and I think itcould be even worse now, since this is a much better and more cohesive FresnoState bunch. San Jose State is coming off a really rare win over a Div. I team,beating Wyoming at home its last time out. They will be fat and happy aftersnapping their four-game losing streak. But this is still one of the worstteams - and one of the worst programs - in the nation. SJSU has lost 20 of 21road games and they are in the bottom quarter of the country in both offensiveand defensive efficiency. This is a really young team and they don't defend theperimeter well at all. That's a problem against a Fresno team that has threesavvy guards. These guys lost by 15 at Toledo and by 18 at Marquette, and Idon't know that either of those teams is as good as Fresno. Add in themotivation of bouncing back from an ugly loss, and the fact that the majorityof the public betting is actually on the underdog, and I think that this onesets up for a blowout for the home team.
1-Unit Play. Take #646Gonzaga (-21) over San Diego (8 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #651Marshall (-3.5) over Rice (8 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
3-Unit Play. Take #655Florida (-1.5) over Mississippi (8 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
3-Unit Play. Take #660LSU (-7) over Arkansas (8:30 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
2-Unit Play. Take #668Boise State (-4) over San Diego State (10 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
2-Unit Play. Take #685Eastern Kentucky (-2) over SIU-Edwardsville (2 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
2-Unit Play. Take #689Montana (-4) over North Dakota (3 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #706Belmont (-13.5) over Austin Peay (8 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. TEASER: Take#613 BYU (-4.5) over Portland (6 p.m.) AND Take #638 Florida International(-4.5) over Southern Miss (7 p.m.)
1-Unit Play. TEASER: Take#546 Duke (-3.5) over Notre Dame (2 p.m.) AND Take #662 Northwestern (-3.5)over Penn State (8:30 p.m.)
Carpe diem. Good luck.

matt711 · 01-17-16, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by Dirtdiver67

2-Unit Play. Take #538St. Joseph's (-11) over Fordham (1 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
Fordham has been exposed.We've cashed against them in their last two games and there's no reason not tokeep going to the well against this shell-shocked group. The Rams picked up alot of cheap wins against terrible competition (mostly playing at home) butthis has been one of the worst programs in the country for awhile now and theyaren't anywhere near St. Joe's level.
1-Unit Play. Take #540South Carolina (-14.5) over Missouri (1 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
Missouri caught a lot ofbad news this week when sanctions were laid down on the program. I think theyfound out before it was reported and that led to them getting blown out at homeby Arkansas. It isn't going to be any easier here today at South Carolina. TheGamecocks are coming off a loss and they aren't happy at all. Add in the travelfor the Tigers and this one could get ugly.
1-Unit Play. Take #544Delaware (+7.5) over Northeastern (2 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)xxxxxxxxxx
Northeastern beatDelaware by about 50 in the first meeting. Now the Huskies are on the roadafter a tough home loss to James Madison and this one comes right before a biggame with Hofstra. Northeastern has had a really tough schedule and they couldget caught sleeping here.
3-Unit Play. Take #547Miami (-4.5) over Clemson (2 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
Yeah, I'm not buyingClemson. I get that they've covered five straight and are coming off four upsetwins in a row, including one against Duke. But these guys aren't that good. Ithink Miami is. They ran out of steam at Virginia on Tuesday, but this is aproven team that has a lot of really impressive performances already this year.They are bigger, more experienced, more motivated, and have played betteragainst a better schedule. Maybe Clemson can scum out another win or cover. ButI don't think so. I think Miami has a lot more talent and more scoring optionsand that will make the difference in what should be a tightly played,defense-first game.
2-Unit Play. Take #551Texas A&M (-2) over Georgia (2 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
Georgia is a lot betterthan people realize. That's what happens when you have excellent veteran guardplay. But A&M has excellent veteran guard play as well. And they are muchbetter on the interior than the Bulldogs. Georgia hasn't played anyone. Their winshave come against bad/mediocre competition, both in the nonconference and inleague play. A&M is a legit Top 20 team and they already have road wins atMiss State and Tennessee in games they controlled, as well as an impressivearray of home and neutral site wins. A&M has too much size and can matchGeorgia's experience. The better team wins here.
4-Unit Play. Take #560Kansas (-21.5) over TCU (2 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
Kansas got embarrassedthis week by West Virginia. They didn't lose: they got embarrassed. The onlyappropriate response is to go out and beat the ever-loving shit out of TCU. TheHorned Frogs suck. They just lost by 32 at Baylor. They lost by 21 at OklahomaState, and Oklahoma State is terrible. They also lost by 25 at Washington, so sufficeto say they don't play well on the road. TCU's claim to fame is some closegames with in-state rivals SMU and Texas (both at home). But they haven'tbeaten anyone and they could again be without their most efficient offensiveplayer, Malique Trent. TCU played Kansas really tough three times last year sothe Jayhawks will be wary. But TCU lost three starters and four of their bestsix players from that team and they are a shell. Kansas is going to light themup here.
2-Unit Play. Take #562UNC-Wilmington (-5) over William & Mary (2 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #564Rhode Island (-15) over LaSalle (2:30 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
2-Unit Play. Take #566Illinois (-3.5) over Nebraska (2:30 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
2-Unit Play. Take #580New Mexico (-10) over Wyoming (4 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #581UW-Milwaukee (-11) over Illinois-Chicago (4 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #586Hofstra (-4.5) over James Madison (4 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #587Iowa State (-1) over Kansas State (4 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #590Oklahoma (-6) over West Virginia (4 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
2-Unit Play. Take #595Pepperdine (-3.5) over San Francisco (4 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #607UL-Monroe (-3) over Georgia Southern (5 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #610South Alabama (+12) over UT-Arlington (5 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #613BYU (-9) over Portland (6 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #616Vanderbilt (-11) over Alabama (6 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
3-Unit Play. Take #618Texas (-7.5) over Oklahoma State (6 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take 'Over'129.0 Cleveland State at Northern Kentucky (7 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #634Wright State (-9) over Youngstown State (7 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #635UAB (-5.5) over Charlotte (7 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
2-Unit Play. Take #639UC-Irvine (Pk) over UC-Santa Barabara (7 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
7-Unit Play. Take #642Fresno State (-15) over San Jose State (7 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
I think that Fresno Statecould end up being the best team in the Mountain West this year. This is anadmittedly down season for the MWC. But this Fresno team is legit, and I thinkthat they are going to lay into a feeble San Jose State team today. FresnoState lost to Boise State its last time out and they have had to stew aboutthat loss for a full week. They will take to take some frustration out, similarto their 22-point win over Nevada at home after they were blasted by New Mexicoa few days before. Or like they did in a 19-point win over Pacific after atough loss at Arizona. Fresno beat San Jose by 18 last year and I think itcould be even worse now, since this is a much better and more cohesive FresnoState bunch. San Jose State is coming off a really rare win over a Div. I team,beating Wyoming at home its last time out. They will be fat and happy aftersnapping their four-game losing streak. But this is still one of the worstteams - and one of the worst programs - in the nation. SJSU has lost 20 of 21road games and they are in the bottom quarter of the country in both offensiveand defensive efficiency. This is a really young team and they don't defend theperimeter well at all. That's a problem against a Fresno team that has threesavvy guards. These guys lost by 15 at Toledo and by 18 at Marquette, and Idon't know that either of those teams is as good as Fresno. Add in themotivation of bouncing back from an ugly loss, and the fact that the majorityof the public betting is actually on the underdog, and I think that this onesets up for a blowout for the home team.
1-Unit Play. Take #646Gonzaga (-21) over San Diego (8 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #651Marshall (-3.5) over Rice (8 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
3-Unit Play. Take #655Florida (-1.5) over Mississippi (8 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
3-Unit Play. Take #660LSU (-7) over Arkansas (8:30 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
2-Unit Play. Take #668Boise State (-4) over San Diego State (10 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
2-Unit Play. Take #685Eastern Kentucky (-2) over SIU-Edwardsville (2 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
2-Unit Play. Take #689Montana (-4) over North Dakota (3 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. Take #706Belmont (-13.5) over Austin Peay (8 p.m., Saturday, Jan. 16)
1-Unit Play. TEASER: Take#613 BYU (-4.5) over Portland (6 p.m.) AND Take #638 Florida International(-4.5) over Southern Miss (7 p.m.)
1-Unit Play. TEASER: Take#546 Duke (-3.5) over Notre Dame (2 p.m.) AND Take #662 Northwestern (-3.5)over Penn State (8:30 p.m.)
Carpe diem. Good luck.

???......any record update

Dirtdiver67 · 01-17-16, 11:06 AM

WoW. Ferringo Bombed -2990. SPS had a nice day and IC wins with Fla. These helped me because I usually don't play Ferringo's 1Unit plays because there are just too many. Yesterday, I added plays from SPS and IC helping me not lose too much. Thanks for posting.

I forget where I found IC's play but if you visit this page for picks and currently have IC or other cappers plays then I expect you to list them. If you wont list, at least be man enough to not take plays that are listed.

ramon5 · 01-17-16, 11:39 AM

Eastman
3U Houston + 1
2U Michigan + 7 1/2
5 Panthers -2

davis
4 mich st -6

vsi
3U Seattle - panthers over 44

ramon5 · 01-17-16, 11:40 AM

SPS
3U Colorado + 3

sharpe
8U Panthers - 2 1/2

ramon5 · 01-17-16, 11:41 AM

Anyone have Croy NFL or vsi UFC ???

Dirtdiver67 · 01-17-16, 11:55 AM

Below is straight from Doc's members website: So thanks to Ramon, Sharpe is an 8U Carolina -2.5. That means they are all on Carolina except Harris and VSI.

Note: Jason Sharpe,Vernon Croy, Mike Davis, Doc's Sports, Allen Eastman, Strike Point Sports andIndian Cowboy all have side plays in the Seattle-Carolina game.
SUNDAY
Jason Sharpe – 8-Unit NFL Play (1 p.m.)
Vernon Croy – 7-Unit NFL Play (1 p.m.)
Mike Davis – 7-Unit NFL Play (1 p.m.)
Alan Harris – 6-Unit NFL Play (1p.m.)
Doc's Sports - 6-unit NFL Play (1 p.m.)
Allen Eastman – 5-Unit NFL Play (1 p.m.)
Indian Cowboy – 5-Unit NFL Play (1 p.m.)
Strike Point Sports – 5-Unit NFL Play (1 p.m.)

Dirtdiver67 · 01-17-16, 11:58 AM

Ferringo - one play after taking a beating?

4-Unit Play. Take #875 Michigan State (-6.5) over Wisconsin (1:30 p.m., Sunday, Jan. 17)

ramon5 · 01-17-16, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by Dirtdiver67

Below is straight from Doc's members website: So thanks to Ramon, Sharpe is an 8U Carolina -2.5. That means they are all on Carolina except Harris and VSI.

Note: Jason Sharpe,Vernon Croy, Mike Davis, Doc's Sports, Allen Eastman, Strike Point Sports andIndian Cowboy all have side plays in the Seattle-Carolina game.
SUNDAY
Jason Sharpe – 8-Unit NFL Play (1 p.m.)
Vernon Croy – 7-Unit NFL Play (1 p.m.)
Mike Davis – 7-Unit NFL Play (1 p.m.)
Alan Harris – 6-Unit NFL Play (1p.m.)
Doc's Sports - 6-unit NFL Play (1 p.m.)
Allen Eastman – 5-Unit NFL Play (1 p.m.)
Indian Cowboy – 5-Unit NFL Play (1 p.m.)
Strike Point Sports – 5-Unit NFL Play (1 p.m.)

Doesn't always mean they are on same side it just says they are on side plays on the same gm same thing happened when providence vs creighton gm on Tuesday the 2 guys had same gm different sides

Dirtdiver67 · 01-17-16, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by ramon5

Doesn't always mean they are on same side it just says they are on side plays on the same gm same thing happened when providence vs creighton gm on Tuesday the 2 guys had same gm different sides

Thanks for pinting that out. My bad. Didn't read it clearly. Thought it said the same side.

Dirtdiver67 · 01-18-16, 02:34 PM

Ferringo may be coming to an end for me. I just have no confidence in him now. One great thing about Doc's is they extend service until you are plus but with Ferringo going down the tubes, I may have a long subscription but what good is it if they are losers. I am passing and would rather start fresh with his picks next year in non-conference. He will owe me quite a bit of units. Not sure if Doc will approve this but if he does, I am done with Ferringo until November. If you look back thru his stuff, he plays the same teams: Maryland, Okla, Belmont, SMU, Monmouth, kansas, etc.
Monday 1/18:
3-Unit Play. Take #521 Texas Tech (-2.5) over TCU (7 p.m., Monday, Jan. 18)
I don't think there is any doubt who the better team is here. Texas Tech has dumped four in a row. But they've had a brutal schedule and they haven't played that poorly against the top competition in the Big 12. TCU has lost four of five, and they haven't looked as sharp. This is a clear rebuilding season for the Horned Frogs and I think they could have a letdown after putting up a pretty good fight in Lawrence over the weekend.
1-Unit Play. Take #535 Oklahoma (+2) over Iowa State (9 p.m., Monday, Jan. 18)
I know it is usually crazy to bet against Iowa State on their home gym. But they already lost to Baylor at home, they should've lost to Iowa, and they didn't cover against Texas Tech in a game that was close. This Iowa State team just isn't as good as the ones from the last two years. They can still play. They're still a quality squad. But Oklahoma is a Top 5 team with one of the best backcourts in the country. They already beat the Cyclones once this year and they have played pretty well in Hilton the past two seasons.
2-Unit Play. Take #538 Monmouth (-7) over Siena (4 p.m., Monday, Jan. 18)
No team in the league has been able to stay within eight points of Monmouth this year and their average win has been by 12 points a game. Siena looks like it has gotten itself together, winning six of their last eight games. But they've been terrible on the road and I think their pressing style is going to open them up for a blowout here. Monmouth has great guard play and an open, free-flowing game plays to their strength.

Dirtdiver67 · 01-19-16, 05:36 PM

Doc's wont let me postpone until next year so I will be having Ferringo Cbb but started a new thread; Ferringo plays.