so money sports

[fakelogic]

Seems like he's been deleting followers for some reason, anyone have his feed and his pending plays? TIA

[karamazov]

Vancouver Chicago under 5.5
Milwaukee Cleveland under 192

good luck

[swngus44]

Let's track. I love following him on twitter. 9-11-2 last 22 or last 8 days. Has Dallas -2.5 pending for sunday also.

[JF301]

He's pretty solid capper. I don't know his long term record, but he has always seem to do decent. But when somebody is tracked over the long term, that always brings out the truth.

[fakelogic]

Thanks guys, any other pending for the weekend?

[karamazov]

He says he is going to be looking to buy Fresno to 7 if it can be done cheaply

[gui_m_p]

Ppl were tracking him on betting talk. In oct-29 he was 323-332, 49.31%, -33.50 units for the year. That's a significant amount but not that large, don't know if he is long term winner. Suggest to take it easy on him.

[JF301]

Ppl were tracking him on betting talk. In oct-29 he was 323-332, 49.31%, -33.50 units for the year. That's a significant amount but not that large, don't know if he is long term winner. Suggest to take it easy on him.

Nice! Truth always comes out when cappers get tracked.

[fakelogic]

Did he post any Saturday plays? Usually has an early CFB total...TIA

[fakelogic]

Bump. Anyone with access to his private feed have any Saturday plays? TIA

[Ol-G-Parker]

Ppl were tracking him on betting talk. In oct-29 he was 323-332, 49.31%, -33.50 units for the year. That's a significant amount but not that large, don't know if he is long term winner. Suggest to take it easy on him.

while this is better than nothing it should be noted that thread was shut down due to the inaccuracy of the tracking.

[fakelogic]

while this is better than nothing it should be noted that thread was shut down due to the inaccuracy of the tracking.

Don't think this is right. I was following it and the trackers were posting all the plays and even had a spreadsheet up of all his plays for the year. The thread wasn't shut down and in fact they are still tracking it. The reason the tracking stopped at one point is probably the same reason tracking is so rare in this industry: People got lazy.

Anyway, from their tracking, it seemed his NBA/NFL was tail-able, but NHL not so much (it was the cause of most of the units lost).

[Ol-G-Parker]

Don't think this is right. I was following it and the trackers were posting all the plays and even had a spreadsheet up of all his plays for the year. The thread wasn't shut down and in fact they are still tracking it. The reason the tracking stopped at one point is probably the same reason tracking is so rare in this industry: People got lazy.

Anyway, from their tracking, it seemed his NBA/NFL was tail-able, but NHL not so much (it was the cause of most of the units lost).

Im aware of betting talk. The thread was dead from the the beginning of august up until a few days ago. It died virtually after Ed posted this below.

"As much as I appreciate your efforts, two mistakes in two weeks doesn't lend a lot of credibility. Also, since you're going through this much trouble, why not go ahead and verify that lines were WA, and monitor closing line value? His first two NBA plays of the season have crushed the close, and if that trend continues it would be a lot more telling and useful than some of the smaller sample size records noted above." - Right Angle Sports

[fakelogic]

I'm also aware of BT, whatever that means. LOL. So this is just a silly argument, but I've got time to kill this morning, so if we're going to be posting quotes, here is what the tracker replied with:

"To clarify, I've made only one mistake as far as I'm aware--PHX -1. The first one was someone else's mistake that I used without verification with SM's Twitter feed. I do have all the plays catalogued in a spreadsheet and someone can double-check my results, but honestly, if they were going to spend the time and do that, why wouldn't they just create their own database and compare the results? If my "credibility" is doubted, I don't mind letting someone else take charge.

Like I said, if what I'm doing currently isn't as valuable to the BT community, I don't mind not updating this thread. It's no skin off my back."

Ed replies,

"Personally, I don't believe you had any agenda and it was more than likely that your recordkeeping was reasonably accurate. As I said above, what you were doing was a valuable service to the forum, and everyone should be thankful for it."

And soon after the guy posts the database link that has since been deleted, Ed says,

"Don't disagree with anything you said."

Doesn't sound like the thread was "shut down" as much as the tracker got annoyed and gave up after he was called out and no one was willing to verify. And even still, they've picked up the tracking this past month with another ~50 pick stretch where SMS has gone lost another ~8 units or so.

Bottom line to this silly Saturday morning debate is to say that the tracking thread was "shut down" because it was "inaccurate" is misleading, at best. I didn't go over that entire database myself, but it was probably pretty close to accurate and representative of SMS' true record for the year based on what I did see.

[swngus44]

Ppl were tracking him on betting talk. In oct-29 he was 323-332, 49.31%, -33.50 units for the year. That's a significant amount but not that large, don't know if he is long term winner. Suggest to take it easy on him.

Wow! Thanks for this great info. Seems to me he's doing more live betting than anything now. I asked him to share his strategy some if he can. I think he realizes he struggles at pregame positions.

[fakelogic]

Wow! Thanks for this great info. Seems to me he's doing more live betting than anything now. I asked him to share his strategy some if he can. I think he realizes he struggles at pregame positions.

Yeah, he probably does well live and actually I want to point out again that according to the tracking on BT, most of those units lost were in NHL--like 90% of it. So I'd guess he's probably a winner in other sports like NBA/NFL.

[swngus44]

Don't think this is right. I was following it and the trackers were posting all the plays and even had a spreadsheet up of all his plays for the year. The thread wasn't shut down and in fact they are still tracking it. The reason the tracking stopped at one point is probably the same reason tracking is so rare in this industry: People got lazy.

Anyway, from their tracking, it seemed his NBA/NFL was tail-able, but NHL not so much (it was the cause of most of the units lost).

People got lazy. Agree with this 100%. It takes work and being detail oriented that's for sure. I will have to check this out.

[swngus44]

I'm also aware of BT, whatever that means. LOL. So this is just a silly argument, but I've got time to kill this morning, so if we're going to be posting quotes, here is what the tracker replied with:

"To clarify, I've made only one mistake as far as I'm aware--PHX -1. The first one was someone else's mistake that I used without verification with SM's Twitter feed. I do have all the plays catalogued in a spreadsheet and someone can double-check my results, but honestly, if they were going to spend the time and do that, why wouldn't they just create their own database and compare the results? If my "credibility" is doubted, I don't mind letting someone else take charge.

Like I said, if what I'm doing currently isn't as valuable to the BT community, I don't mind not updating this thread. It's no skin off my back."

Ed replies,

"Personally, I don't believe you had any agenda and it was more than likely that your recordkeeping was reasonably accurate. As I said above, what you were doing was a valuable service to the forum, and everyone should be thankful for it."

And soon after the guy posts the database link that has since been deleted, Ed says,

"Don't disagree with anything you said."

Doesn't sound like the thread was "shut down" as much as the tracker got annoyed and gave up after he was called out and no one was willing to verify. And even still, they've picked up the tracking this past month with another ~50 pick stretch where SMS has gone lost another ~8 units or so.

Bottom line to this silly Saturday morning debate is to say that the tracking thread was "shut down" because it was "inaccurate" is misleading, at best. I didn't go over that entire database myself, but it was probably pretty close to accurate and representative of SMS' true record for the year based on what I did see.

This stuff is awesome info. I'm enjoying the debate. LOL! I love that Ed is involved in his own forum. Had no idea.

[Ol-G-Parker]

I'm also aware of BT, whatever that means. LOL. So this is just a silly argument, but I've got time to kill this morning, so if we're going to be posting quotes, here is what the tracker replied with:

"To clarify, I've made only one mistake as far as I'm aware--PHX -1. The first one was someone else's mistake that I used without verification with SM's Twitter feed. I do have all the plays catalogued in a spreadsheet and someone can double-check my results, but honestly, if they were going to spend the time and do that, why wouldn't they just create their own database and compare the results? If my "credibility" is doubted, I don't mind letting someone else take charge.

Like I said, if what I'm doing currently isn't as valuable to the BT community, I don't mind not updating this thread. It's no skin off my back."

Ed replies,

"Personally, I don't believe you had any agenda and it was more than likely that your recordkeeping was reasonably accurate. As I said above, what you were doing was a valuable service to the forum, and everyone should be thankful for it."

And soon after the guy posts the database link that has since been deleted, Ed says,

"Don't disagree with anything you said."

Doesn't sound like the thread was "shut down" as much as the tracker got annoyed and gave up after he was called out and no one was willing to verify. And even still, they've picked up the tracking this past month with another ~50 pick stretch where SMS has gone lost another ~8 units or so.

Bottom line to this silly Saturday morning debate is to say that the tracking thread was "shut down" because it was "inaccurate" is misleading, at best. I didn't go over that entire database myself, but it was probably pretty close to accurate and representative of SMS' true record for the year based on what I did see.

There was never a "debate" coming from my end. I was just saying the thread was dead and had not been active in over 6 weeks due to errors. Just because you were the one with errors your getting defensive, Prophet73. If you want to spend your days creating user names on every forum and multiple ones on twitter go for it, Prophet73.

I have zero issues with tracking but its just odd you chose a free guy trying to help is all. Not sure potentially hurting a guy who posts for free and helps people is the target in this crooked industry. Im a fan of RAS but why not bash a guy who charges $4K a year and has cleared 6 units based on his release numbers combined in back to back college football seasons?

[fakelogic]

There was never a "debate" coming from my end. I was just saying the thread was dead and had not been active in over 6 weeks due to errors. Just because you were the one with errors your getting defensive, Prophet73. If you want to spend your days creating user names on every forum and multiple ones on twitter go for it, Prophet73.

I have zero issues with tracking but its just odd you chose a free guy trying to help is all. Not sure potentially hurting a guy who posts for free and helps people is the target in this crooked industry. Im a fan of RAS but why not bash a guy who charges $4K a year and has cleared 6 units based on his release numbers combined in back to back college football seasons?

I know you weren't really debating, I was just having some fun because you decided to quote as if I didn't read the same thread you did.

And my original point still stands in disagreement with your characterization. Someone in THIS thread tried to point out SMS' record and you came in here to characterize that it was somehow inaccurate. And all I wanted to point out was how your description of what happened in that thread was the inaccurate thing so people know the original post can be useful. The thread was not dead because of errors. (EDIT: aka the record is probably accurate)

But I do agree with you that we shouldn't personally bash SMS or anyone that posts for free (that's why I was saying his NBA/NFL is probably good to tail). In fact, I don't think it's fair for people to make unfounded claims in any situation. But what's wrong with tracking everyone and talking about that tracking? Why bash trackers?

It's annoying as it is with every thread in this forum people bashing on others without proof or logic. Given that you don't care if people track, then not sure how your comment is helpful at all? Except to confuse things more since it isn't even a good description of what happened.

And that's the exact reason why I think you saying I'm prophet73 is just all the ironic LOLz in this situation. No one on any forums can even attempt to say something truthful without someone else accusing them of something. Since I am trying to explain a situation rationally, I must be the tracker! So, should I say, "Hi SoMoney!"

Or better yet, the always fun insult about them spending time on forums, when that insulter themselves is POSTING ON THE EXACT SAME ONES!

[Ol-G-Parker]

I know you weren't really debating, I was just having some fun because you decided to quote as if I didn't read the same thread you did.

And my original point still stands in disagreement with your characterization. Someone in THIS thread tried to point out SMS' record and you came in here to characterize that it was somehow inaccurate. And all I wanted to point out was how your description of what happened in that thread was the inaccurate thing so people know the original post can be useful. The thread was not dead because of errors.

But I do agree with you that we shouldn't personally bash SMS or anyone that posts for free (that's why I was saying his NBA/NFL is probably good to tail). In fact, I don't think it's fair for people to make unfounded claims in any situation. But what's wrong with tracking everyone and talking about that tracking? Why bash trackers?

It's annoying as it is with every thread in this forum people bashing on others without proof or logic. Given that you don't care if people track, then not sure how your comment is helpful at all? Except to confuse things more since it isn't even a good description of what happened.

And that's the exact reason why I think you saying I'm prophet73 is just all the ironic LOLz in this situation. No one on any forums can even attempt to say something truthful without someone else accusing them of something. Since I am trying to explain a situation rationally, I must be the tracker! So, should I say, "Hi SoMoney!"

Or better yet, the always fun insult about them spending time on forums, when that insulter themselves is POSTING ON THE EXACT SAME ONES!

Will be my last post on the topic since you can't grasp the situation. I don't frequent the forums to post, as evident by that number under my name, but when I go to every forum I enjoy viewing on a Saturday and there you are asking for the same stuff its annoying.

I'll paraphrase, but I came on here and said, Im sure what was posted is better than nothing, BUT regardless if you want to admit it or not, your tracking had multiple errors. Those errors were frequent, or most can assume they were frequent when two happened in two weeks. If there were two errors in two weeks, how many were there the previous 10 months?

To each is own, if tracking free cappers is something you enjoy doing multiple hours per day, go for it. Just think guys who hurt the industry should be the guys we target, is really my point here, and a point I hope we can all agree on.

[fakelogic]

Agreed, definitely the last post on the topic, especially if you are addressing me as the tracker (and none of the points I just brought up).

So I'll end with this: I have 20 less posts than you and this is my first thread on this topic. Doesn't speak much to your ability to make a point that has relevance. LOL.

[karamazov]

He has Chicago +3 for today

[karamazov]

Under 187 in Memphis Utah

[fakelogic]

Bump.

Any plays pending today?