RAS Week 4

[pufferfish1]

Anyone got them? Thanks in advance.

[rookie363]

Cuse -13
Kansas -9
Memphis +7
Maryland -4

Gl if you follow his plays

[747planes]

What kind of services charges thousands for half a season then releases the game so early in the week where most books don't even allow you to bet the max amount. Almost every books have reduced limits this early in the week. Edward, please chime in and say some usual bullsh!t. Edward, you guys should take some policies that Bettingresource uses so it will be fair for the clients. At least put a range of spread that is safe to play or play some dog money lines when the spread is small. Or if you place the bets on the picks, wait 1 hour after you place the bets and release the picks on those lines. You guys bet the picks and release them at the same time. By the end of this season bettingresource will probably surpass you guys as the most popular service but i hope they don't go down the tunnel like you guys when it happens.

[duh_omega]

Is Cuse Syracuse?

[smallball]

What kind of services charges thousands for half a season then releases the game so early in the week where most books don't even allow you to bet the max amount. Almost every books have reduced limits this early in the week. Edward, please chime in and say some usual bullsh!t. Edward, you guys should take some policies that Bettingresource uses so it will be fair for the clients. At least put a range of spread that is safe to play or play some dog money lines when the spread is small. Or if you place the bets on the picks, wait 1 hour after you place the bets and release the picks on those lines. You guys bet the picks and release them at the same time. By the end of this season bettingresource will probably surpass you guys as the most popular service but i hope they don't go down the tunnel like you guys when it happens.

If you are not happy, don't follow. Now it's also a problem that games are released on Monday? Are you kidding me?

Nice plug for your service...tell me how do you decide to make up such numbers for records?

[747planes]

If you are not happy, don't follow. Now it's also a problem that games are released on Monday? Are you kidding me?

Nice plug for your service...tell me how do you decide to make up such numbers for records?

I don't own a service. But i do follow some services. I used to follow RAS and DRBOB religiously in the glory days. And the numbers for bettingresource are not made up. You can verify it with the admin of "Cleanuphitter", they are monitored there. Gamelive forum (hooligans talk) is also monitoring their plays.

And about RAS releasing plays on Mondays...I am just saying it is not fair for the clients because on Monday the limits are very low because it is very early. Ras always claims that his service is if you can bet quite big. Surely the best edge is found early in the week but if you going to release it as a service play for premium price atleast release a range of odds that is safe to play because the line will easily move with low limits.

[jfe5138]

KU: With today's loss to Rice, Charlie Weis has now lost 16 games in a row against FBS opponents

Good luck boys!!!

[streak1234]

RAS

I really don't think anyone cares after his less than stellar start. In fact the bookies relish his plays at the moment and will continue to do so until he gets up to speed!

[boomerbust]

Is Cuse Syracuse?

Its the College of Utah Southern Evangelists, added board only.

[brainy smurf]

747, you really have a hard on for ras...every week you're in these threads whining about something. Most of us in here are big boys & can make up our own minds, I'd suggest spending your time & energy on more important things that concern yourself instead of worrying about his clients & the people that choose to follow after the line moves.

[brainy smurf]

I really don't think anyone cares after his less than stellar start. In fact the bookies relish his plays at the moment and will continue to do so until he gets up to speed!

Some would argue that's not the case. Last weeks thread had well over 9,000 views, some would also argue you're in this thread posting, so that's at least 1 person that cares.

[hipster]

Are these all regular plays?

[SamDiamond]

747, you really have a hard on for ras...every week you're in these threads whining about something. Most of us in here are big boys & can make up our own minds, I'd suggest spending your time & energy on more important things that concern yourself instead of worrying about his clients & the people that choose to follow after the line moves.

Irony.

As much as 747 rips RAS-- you on the other hand, run to defend RAS every chance you get.

Your behavior isn't much different, you're just on the opposite side of the fence.

[SamDiamond]

Some would argue that's not the case. Last weeks thread had well over 9,000 views, some would also argue you're in this thread posting, so that's at least 1 person that cares.

Don't confuse "caring" with "hoping they lose".

A thread view isn't support, often it's hoping/praying for a train wreck just as much.

I hate touts, but that's just me. I think it's funny that people pay a lot of money----for lines they are difficult to get--- and they still can't get over 50%.

You can visit the college football sub forum here at SBR and find some talented cappers who are beating college football to the tune of 60%+.

And the best part. ITS FREE.

[streak1234]

some would argue that's not the case. Last weeks thread had well over 9,000 views, some would also argue you're in this thread posting, so that's at least 1 person that cares.

i am certainly not knocking ras, i am simply saying that right now, no one is being hurt, payer or freebe, by the early distribution of the picks. Until he gets to his usual expertise, it's anyone's game as far as the spread goes.

[brainy smurf]

Irony.

As much as 747 rips RAS-- you on the other hand, run to defend RAS every chance you get.

Your behavior isn't much different, you're just on the opposite side of the fence.

Ras can defend himself.

There's a big difference, 747 is assuming clients are not getting the lines & are not getting in the proper amounts, he's talking about things that he knows nothing about. Look at last week he "consulted with 3 different sources" and that Troy line was never +10, several posters disagreed & proved he was wrong.

I have an interest in Ras plays, so of course I'm gonna chime in. If there are issues with the lines or anything else, I'd be the first person to say something whether it's for or against ras. I've slammed other capper's that I was a member of if I felt some shady things were going on. I can honestly say I've had no issues yet with any of the lines or getting in the proper dollar amounts, & on 3 occasions I've gotten a better release line.

You can say I'm just as bad but I have no agenda like 747 does, I'm speaking out based on experience where as 747 is speaking out based on hate.

[brainy smurf]

Don't confuse "caring" with "hoping they lose".
.

whether they want him to win or lose, they still care.

[SamDiamond]

Ras can defend himself.

There's a big difference, 747 is assuming clients are not getting the lines & are not getting in the proper amounts, he's talking about things that he knows nothing about. Look at last week he "consulted with 3 different sources" and that Troy line was never +10, several posters disagreed & proved he was wrong.

I have an interest in Ras plays, so of course I'm gonna chime in. If there are issues with the lines or anything else, I'd be the first person to say something whether it's for or against ras. I've slammed other capper's that I was a member of if I felt some shady things were going on. I can honestly say I've had no issues yet with any of the lines or getting in the proper dollar amounts, & on 3 occasions I've gotten a better release line.

You can say I'm just as bad but I have no agenda like 747 does, I'm speaking out based on experience where as 747 is speaking out based on hate.

You don't have an agenda?

Really? Your "interest" sets your agenda.

Step back for a second, and try and look at this objectively. Imagine for a second you work during the day-- and it's labor intensive, or client based-- and there are times when work takes you away from your gambling interests.

Now--- RAS releases his lines this afternoon-- and those numbers are available for a total of 1 hour. That's it.

Would it make sense for anyone with a job that requires actual work during the 8-5 hours, to pay for such a service?

I have no problems with anyone paying for RAS service. If they are dumb enough to spend hundreds of dollars on lines available for 60 minutes----and then have those selections <50%, that's their business.

But, an honest discussion about RAS service isn't a bad thing. If I were a client, and I got Syracuse -13 as a selection, but had to settle for -15/15.5, and the game landed on 14-- I would be pissed. Especially for what RAS charges.

[SamDiamond]

whether they want him to win or lose, they still care.

I am here posting. Trust me when I say this-- I don't care. I hate touts, and love poking them when they lose.

But's that just me.

[goirishgo]

Very well said SamDiamond. I'm in the same exact camp as you are. I hate every tout with a passion.

If you want some good reading, head on over to roughingthepunter.com and read the "Fezzik on a roll" thread. You'll have flames coming out of your ears.

I actually have respect for RAS - his picks seem to be consistently over 50% and he's transparent. Trouble is, you'll probably never get his posted lines so the whole RAS thing seems like a wash that the books have caught on to.

[SamDiamond]

I'll say this about RAS and Phil Steele.

They are transparent.

And I applaud that fact.

[brainy smurf]

You don't have an agenda?

Really? Your "interest" sets your agenda.

Step back for a second, and try and look at this objectively. Imagine for a second you work during the day-- and it's labor intensive, or client based-- and there are times when work takes you away from your gambling interests.

Now--- RAS releases his lines this afternoon-- and those numbers are available for a total of 1 hour. That's it.

Would it make sense for anyone with a job that requires actual work during the 8-5 hours, to pay for such a service?

I have no problems with anyone paying for RAS service. If they are dumb enough to spend hundreds of dollars on lines available for 60 minutes----and then have those selections <50%, that's their business.

But, an honest discussion about RAS service isn't a bad thing. If I were a client, and I got Syracuse -13 as a selection, but had to settle for -15/15.5, and the game landed on 14-- I would be pissed. Especially for what RAS charges.

you make it seem like these line movement issues just popped up over night, it's been this way for years. His clients know what they're getting themselves into before they sign up. They know what to expect. He even says this on his site that his service isn't for everybody & I'm sure that's one of the reasons why he will refund their money if they have line issues. How many services would do that?

If someone is not getting their lines no way in hell would I recommend them buying his service, maybe in years past I would as he was stilling winning with a good rate at the closing line but not this year so far or last year. I'm sure there are people that don't get his lines & still pay for his service because 1. people don't know about these forums. 2. the plays aren't always posted on the forums (he adds plays late on Saturday) 3. the plays are posted wrong sometimes (every week in this forum & others someone will guess the play based on a line move & people run with it) 4. people post the wrong plays on purpose. If you're betting serious money or over $500 a game you don't want to rely on these factors, all it takes is 1 wrong game & it ruins your season & your bankroll. I made the decision years ago I was gonna pay for the service because of these issues not knowing if I could get the lines or not, but my thinking was even if I could get the line a half point better than when it finally hit the free forums & I won or pushed when it would have lost, that would the cover the cost of the service.

His clients have seconds to get it in not an hour. I've had issues with the lines before, I've had issues with my amounts being cut down to $25 max per game (try making your rollover to withdraw your funds when you can only bet $25 a game), he doesn't have a set time on releasing his games on Monday & Thursday just a time window of 2 hours, than you only have a 5 minute warning. On Saturday a game can pop up out of the blue with only a 5 minute warning. Does this sound like someone that is always running to his defense? You know what though, I'm ok with that, it is what it is.

[SamDiamond]

you make it seem like these line movement issues just popped up over night, it's been this way for years. His clients know what they're getting themselves into before they sign up. They know what to expect. He even says this on his site that his service isn't for everybody & I'm sure that's one of the reasons why he will refund their money if they have line issues. How many services would do that?

If someone is not getting their lines no way in hell would I recommend them buying his service, maybe in years past I would as he was stilling winning with a good rate at the closing line but not this year so far or last year. I'm sure there are people that don't get his lines & still pay for his service because 1. people don't know about these forums. 2. the plays aren't always posted on the forums (he adds plays late on Saturday) 3. the plays are posted wrong sometimes (every week in this forum & others someone will guess the play based on a line move & people run with it) 4. people post the wrong plays are purpose. If you're betting serious money you don't want to rely on these factors, all it takes is 1 wrong game & it ruins your season & your bankroll.

His clients have seconds to get it in not an hour. I've had issues with the lines before, I've had issues with my amounts be cut down to $25 max per game (try making your rollover to withdraw your funds when you can only bet $25 a game), he doesn't have a set time on releasing his games on Monday & Thursday just a time window of 2 hours, than you only have a 5 minute warning. On Saturday a game can pop up out of the blue with only a 5 minute warning. Does this sound like someone that is always running to his defense? You know what though, I'm ok with that, it is what it is.

First of all, this discussion is for the benefit of the noob, who may sign on here and read about RAS, and is considering paying for his service.

Touts survive by trapping, sorry-- selling to new fish. That's how the pyramid works.

Without new fish, the Tout dies.

And, your last paragraph explained it better than I can.

RAS releases sides on Mondays-- with no specific time set, you get a 5 minute warning-- and then seconds to get that line, and hopefully you have a book that gives you the limit to make this entire exercise worthwhile.

In other words, you have a better chance at finding a unicorn than you do of landing on RAS's lines consistently.

And, that goes back to my original question---- NOOBS PAY ATTENTION TO THIS PART-----who would pay for such a service?

Just a reminder-- stop by the college sub forum-- you can find at least 5 cappers who give you 5-7 selections per week, hit at or above 60%, and the best part--- FREE. ALWAYS FREE.

Transparent as hell, you have days to make your play--- and you can shop for your best number. And again, FREE.

[brainy smurf]

First of all, this discussion is for the benefit of the noob, who may sign on here and read about RAS, and is considering paying for his service.

Touts survive by trapping, sorry-- selling to new fish. That's how the pyramid works.

Without new fish, the Tout dies.

And, your last paragraph explained it better than I can.

RAS releases sides on Mondays-- with no specific time set, you get a 5 minute warning-- and then seconds to get that line, and hopefully you have a book that gives you the limit to make this entire exercise worthwhile.

In other words, you have a better chance at finding a unicorn than you do of landing on RAS's lines consistently.

And, that goes back to my original question---- NOOBS PAY ATTENTION TO THIS PART-----who would pay for such a service?

Just a reminder-- stop by the college sub forum-- you can find at least 5 cappers who give you 5-7 selections per week, hit at or above 60%, and the best part--- FREE. ALWAYS FREE.

Transparent as hell, you have days to make your play--- and you can shop for your best number. And again, FREE.

I agree with this for the most part besides your unicorn comment about getting lines consistently. If you do a little trial & error & do your homework, you will find those books.

There are plenty of posters that can do better but I've also seen those same posters crash & burn, it's a tough market to beat. As far as your comment "who would pay for such a service" Ras on the closing line is still better than 99% of the trash that is posted in this service plays section.

[747planes]

I'm speaking out based on experience where as 747 is speaking out based on hate.

I have been a RAS client in the past years. Back in the days his fees were reasonable. Now the lines are bad, picks are ridiculously expensive and doesn't even get half a season.

[goirishgo]

I enjoyed this back and forth discussion between Diamond and Smurf.

Here's what I will take away from it (although i've always thought this).

If you can find a book that will take an RAS play within 15 seconds, go for it. You'll probably beat the closing line by 2.15 points (according to ANDWHEWINNER).

If you CANT (and this is my post important message), just don't do it. The line value has been completely sucked away and you're betting into a terrible line.

[statnerds]

Just a reminder-- stop by the college sub forum-- you can find at least 5 cappers who give you 5-7 selections per week, hit at or above 60%, and the best part--- FREE. ALWAYS FREE.

noobs pay attention to this part...

bullshate. let me guess, none of those 5 awesome cappers keeps a record, but we can trust you, they are legit. i guaran-fukkin-tee none of those fukks has a record that covers more than 30 games.

[brainy smurf]

noobs pay attention to this part...

bullshate. let me guess, none of those 5 awesome cappers keeps a record, but we can trust you, they are legit. i guaran-fukkin-tee none of those fukks has a record that covers more than 30 games.

there maybe a few if you look really hard...but these are the same guys that fudge records & lines then go tout & crash hard. The gambling world is filled with too many ego's, people don't like to admit they have losing years, they forget the losses & remind everyone of their wins.

[goirishgo]

I would rather shoot myself in the face than follow someone from a random message board. The odds are that someone will hit crazy numbers by the amount of their members. Its easy probability. Of course someone is going to go bonkers based on easy math.

[SamDiamond]

noobs pay attention to this part...

bullshate. let me guess, none of those 5 awesome cappers keeps a record, but we can trust you, they are legit. i guaran-fukkin-tee none of those fukks has a record that covers more than 30 games.

It's not bullshit at all.

In fact, a lot of the sub guys have been tracking their picks for years.

A search history of their posting shows you can not edit a single post on SBR past 5 minutes without the edit being recorded.

Edits are also recorded on spreadsheets.

Listen-- Out of the 200 guys who keep a record, there are a solid 5-10 who know college football as well as RAS. That is a fact.

FOR THE RECORD-- I AM NOT ADVOCATING BLINDLY TAILING ANYONE.

But, it sure as hell makes more sense than SPENDING MONEY ON LOSING PICKS.

[SamDiamond]

I would rather shoot myself in the face than follow someone from a random message board. The odds are that someone will hit crazy numbers by the amount of their members. Its easy probability. Of course someone is going to go bonkers based on easy math.

I agree with that completely.

But spending money on picks is even more foolish.

[marvinsgotwood]

SAM DIAMOND,Northcoast gave out louisville-14-,the next day they count it a push,i can promise you this,if they had taken kentucky in that game+14-,it would have been scored a win,if they are going to count louisville a push,they need to count iowa under a loss,EDWARDS OF RAS NEVER PULLS ANY TRICKS LIKE THAT NOR DOES HE GO BACK TO 1923 BC to have a winning record on his plays.

transparency grades
NORTHCOAST F -
RAS A +

[silverfoot]

They both suck

[MrMiami]

You don't have an agenda?

Really? Your "interest" sets your agenda.

Step back for a second, and try and look at this objectively. Imagine for a second you work during the day-- and it's labor intensive, or client based-- and there are times when work takes you away from your gambling interests.

Now--- RAS releases his lines this afternoon-- and those numbers are available for a total of 1 hour. That's it.

Would it make sense for anyone with a job that requires actual work during the 8-5 hours, to pay for such a service?

I have no problems with anyone paying for RAS service. If they are dumb enough to spend hundreds of dollars on lines available for 60 minutes----and then have those selections <50%, that's their business.

But, an honest discussion about RAS service isn't a bad thing. If I were a client, and I got Syracuse -13 as a selection, but had to settle for -15/15.5, and the game landed on 14-- I would be pissed. Especially for what RAS charges.

SamDiamond, you make a great point.

I'll be honest, if RAS released his plays Monday evening instead of Monday morning or any evening for that matter I would at least consider paying for his service. His track record speaks for itself. His lines move too fast that unless you are on standby with a computer you cant get the lines and as you stated if you have a job you most likely cant do that. I do wonder why he releases his plays during the day when most people are working? Is that the plan so the line moves seconds slower than it would in the evening?

[Winwin]

SamDiamond, you make a great point.

I'll be honest, if RAS released his plays Monday evening instead of Monday morning or any evening for that matter I would at least consider paying for his service. His track record speaks for itself. His lines move too fast that unless you are on standby with a computer you cant get the lines and as you stated if you have a job you most likely cant do that. I do wonder why he releases his plays during the day when most people are working? Is that the plan so the line moves seconds slower than it would in the evening?

they have the note on their site ras service isn't for everybody he will refund their money if they have line issues. most of ras client are full time bettor if you have regular job to do ras is not for you. ras never lost on coll football and only lost 1 coll basketball season since they being the business who better than ras if u can name one