how do we make money in this FASCINATING INDUSTRY?

[rafa martin]

i am tired of following cappers here and get down an down and down..... when i play ras picks,,, i am at 40%,
IF I PLAY DR. BOB very near 50%, ALSO down in real money not this units systems you guys claim so much,,, down in real euros or usd,, as you prefer, the others are even worse, i followed this cowboy guy,, indian,,,, in nhl and nba,, and went bankruptcy,,,,, if i fade lang cause most of you do the same i am 1 win, and 5 losses, this past week, so could anyone explain to me how to make consisting money in this fascinating but tiresome industry?

just yesterday i have left 1500 euros in my two books accounts,, dowm from 3000 euros a month earlier,, i was so tired of seen my account down one day after another,,, that tired of being patient and disciplinated,, i placed my entire bankrol, or balance as you wish(sorry cannon for my engLISH), in the all star game over,,, i picked myself and trow all remaining money in that bet,,,,, luckily i won it easy,, and got back again to my starting 3000 euros, 3400 usd..aprox.... so now i want to change again my betting behavior and being conservative and polite only betting 3-5% of my bankrol in each pick,,, but the main question is here,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what i must do to start growing this amount,,, not decreasing the starting 3000,, cause if i see going down again, i will do the same and chances are that i will lose this final bet,,,,,,,

hope i get bright and intelligent responses, i accept all advises, including about money mangement techniques,, even i think flat betting is the best way to go,, only it takes passion and adredaline away, it is more boring but i think more convenient,, kelly criterion i only see it for big large capitals,,,,

i got subscription for winning angle,,, they only hit 40%,, so whAT IS THE PURPOSE of posting the picks here,, so that is what i see when i read about this angela christie novel man,, brad lang, if he is not thrusty better not to play him,,, and fading only will take you to about a 45-50% of wins,,, so please explain how this goes?

tks so much rafa

[jarvol]

Fade yourself.

[stevex]

1. Don't jump around trying to find hot cappers, stick to one or whatever service your following.
2. Don't listen to GOY, GOW, GOM, GODECADE type crap.
3. Implement a labby as your money management tool.
4. Don't play in the casino.
5. Don't bet on anything else other than the service or system you're using.

PROFIT

[Love The Action]

Do your own handicapping...

[THEPICKSPRODIGY]

Play on Barcelona

Si no juga con los Argentinos

Buena suerte con todo. Los Americanos y los Europeos tienen problemas, y nadie puede ganar.

[Cannon]

Fade RAS totals and anything Helmut plays. I had already bet the Ras play before Ras gave it out. Follow regular guys in the regular threads. All of this stuff is a scam for you to lose and SBR makes money off your losses at the books.

[Emily_Haines]

Your not going to get rich trying to beat WA numbers 1 hour before game time. You need to do the work be an originator, bet early and get good numbers. Tough to beat the popular sports..........you can have much better success concentrating on the smaller sports.

[wilson1942]

There are a couple of things to take into account in the context of this industry:

1) you're on a service plays forum website trolling for plays that's probably your first mistake right there.

2) there is no silver bullet in sports gambling it's a tough business (in regard to the people selling picks or advice) there are a small amount of winners and the rest are losers. a bad ball bounce here or there is the difference between winning and losing the key is to be on the good side more often than the bad.

3) you have to understand people in this industry 'LIE' 'BIG TIME'

4) you are not betting against the bookie/casino/sportsbook you are betting against another person betting the opposite of you the bookie is only there to facilitate the transaction and collect 10% form the losers.

5) if you don't have the time or expertise to handicap the games yourself you could subscribe to a legitimate service contrary to what you will here they do exist. Look at the monitoring sites and make your own decisions it's your money remember that

6) IT'S YOUR MONEY .... that's a big one a lot of times I know people get jerked around by sportsbooks when cashing out remeber it's your cash don't let anyone hold it hostage because I guarantee you that the longer you play the bigger your likelihood of losing becomes.

7) If you do follow someone don't follow them in all sports IC is a perfect example he is good in NCAAB but I wouldn't bet his other sports with someone else money.

8) If you do follow someone you have to understand that they will not win all of there games that is a guarantee/lock

9) flat-betting works with 3000 dollar bankroll I would bet 250 a game that means in reality you would have to go 0-12 before you bust out.

10) Money-management if you can get this under control and bet less than 5% of your bank roll you're a better man than me. I have always had a tough time with this and probably always will but then again I'm gainfully employed and I live in reality.

11) try to treat like a business. It's no fun but you will be more successful.

12) set goals. What are you going to do with your money when you win.

13) When you are winning enjoy it while it lasts because it never does. Stole that from Wall Street but it's true you win some you lose some it's never the end of the world if it is you're betting too much which brings us to the ever important and always ignored.... Drumroll please

NEVER BET MORE THAN YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE

Honestly this is truly the key.

If you have more money in your sportsbook than your bank account you should think long hard about what your goals are.

PM me if you have any questions, comments, or concerns.

[SmokinGood]

Just pick the games yourself dont use the services

[wiredlu22]

play Keith Line's plays that are posted here. He doesn't play everyday but when he does, get it

[rafa martin]

Just pick the games yourself dont use the services

hey guys, i always learn from yr comments and thoughts, tried to give out points,,,but new strange policy does not allow me to do so,, from what i read here, stevex stated clearly in few words is always to think in the long term and slowly, and not to change the person whom you choose to follow,, i guess as the other friend says,,, in his post is to treat this as a plain and boring business and take away the adredaline and effects of being something funny and enjoyable, and treat it as business,, so i guess we must all convert ourselves in a type of rambo man,, i mean being and acting like a robot, that maKES A LOT OF SENSE, i know is difficult but it makes a lot of sense and if we reach that we will suceed, right?
so this is routine and repeat the same process once again??', nice lesson to understand to someone like me that comes from bet 365 live betting, and is down 30,000 usd, but you know the most weird part of this,,, is that i picked many more winners than losers,,, the problem was that after two-3 losses in a row,, i placed the last 500 or 800 euros left in the last bet and of course 7-8 out of 10 was a lossing pick,,,, bankrupt again and load the account again,,, guys follow this advise do not play live betting,,, it takes out the worst of us,, and many of us becomes and acts like animals, at lest me that have lost 5000 in one afternoon chasing losses in tennis, darts and snooker games,,,, do not do that please...........

[Monitor-Tan]

If you are SERIOUS about making a long term gains little by little, go check out the NBA and NCAA handicapping forums. Or whatever is "in season". The cappers there are MUCH MUCH MUCH more consistant and plenty of long term winning cappers on that section then most of the touts. Most of the touts focus on how they can win by selling their plays. The guy son the hadincapping forums are in your shoes and are much more focused on winning then selling picks!

[Power Play]

I recommend handicapping yourself. However if you're new you'l probably lose. That's why you only bet $1 per pick(or whatever the minimum at your book is) until you get your capping down. Use excel to track your picks and don't start betting until you can hit 53% over 500+ plays (ideally 1000+ plays). Don't start betting large if you go on a run (ex 20-5 run) because it'll likely go back to 50%. If you never can get your percentage up you can thank me for recommending $1 per pick or you're likely to lose more. If you TRACKED yourself doing well LONG TERM in a particular sport than you can start playing for real. "For real" means 1% bankroll per pick I know it's does not sound like much but if you play more you're opening yourself up to varience and the chance of going broke even with +ev. If you want tips on capping open another thread in the think tank and someone hopefully will help (maybe even me). Good luck!

[lostmarbles]

In addition of these in quote below...

There are a couple of things to take into account in the context of this industry:

1) you're on a service plays forum website trolling for plays that's probably your first mistake right there.

2) there is no silver bullet in sports gambling it's a tough business (in regard to the people selling picks or advice) there are a small amount of winners and the rest are losers. a bad ball bounce here or there is the difference between winning and losing the key is to be on the good side more often than the bad.

3) you have to understand people in this industry 'LIE' 'BIG TIME'

4) you are not betting against the bookie/casino/sportsbook you are betting against another person betting the opposite of you the bookie is only there to facilitate the transaction and collect 10% form the losers.

5) if you don't have the time or expertise to handicap the games yourself you could subscribe to a legitimate service contrary to what you will here they do exist. Look at the monitoring sites and make your own decisions it's your money remember that

6) IT'S YOUR MONEY .... that's a big one a lot of times I know people get jerked around by sportsbooks when cashing out remeber it's your cash don't let anyone hold it hostage because I guarantee you that the longer you play the bigger your likelihood of losing becomes.

7) If you do follow someone don't follow them in all sports IC is a perfect example he is good in NCAAB but I wouldn't bet his other sports with someone else money.

8) If you do follow someone you have to understand that they will not win all of there games that is a guarantee/lock

9) flat-betting works with 3000 dollar bankroll I would bet 250 a game that means in reality you would have to go 0-12 before you bust out.

10) Money-management if you can get this under control and bet less than 5% of your bank roll you're a better man than me. I have always had a tough time with this and probably always will but then again I'm gainfully employed and I live in reality.

11) try to treat like a business. It's no fun but you will be more successful.

12) set goals. What are you going to do with your money when you win.

13) When you are winning enjoy it while it lasts because it never does. Stole that from Wall Street but it's true you win some you lose some it's never the end of the world if it is you're betting too much which brings us to the ever important and always ignored.... Drumroll please

NEVER BET MORE THAN YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE

Honestly this is truly the key.

If you have more money in your sportsbook than your bank account you should think long hard about what your goals are.

PM me if you have any questions, comments, or concerns.

Do not bet on your fav teams, does not work well.

Find at least 2 casinos that always have different lines on same game to help get your edge. One late with moving lines, other fast moving lines, etc. Also, a half point can make a difference sometimes.

Learn how to use Excel or Open source office (free), to use to help yourself get some edge on +EV.

Is it time to get your own software to help you get the edge?

Figure out the X factors!!! (things that most systems cannot tell you), like late injuries, off court/field player's problems, Coaching problems, etc.

Do the opposite of what the other 95 - 97% gamblers do.

Read, read, read! Learn, learn, learn. There is no substitute!

OR, lose, lose lose.....

[lostmarbles]

Ooooppppsss. Power Play beat me to it.

[apomixis]

Rafa, you mentioned losing a wad betting live on bet365. I don't know about any other sites besides Pinnacle, but I know bet365 has some brutal live odds...stuff like -100000 ML on tennis etc. (which of course will be on a massive favorite who has virtually won the match, but still)...ridiculous grease.

[scottel]

play one game a day.........bet the free pick by Arthur Ralph......worst day is 0-1.of course best day is 1-0 but on loser u live to bet again.......an 0-5 day can turn into an ugly losing strk, one a day it takes a week to cause some pain.........flat bet...determine BR (what u can afford to lose) and bet 2%...not glamorous but works........as for the BR dont tell yourself u can lose 5k if u are going to panic if u get down 2k....be true to yourself on that..........make your bet and go do something else...watching is too stressful and u cant change it anyway...if u have to watch just tune in and watch last few min.

[breathmints]

with 3000 ... u find 3 cappers... that is 20-8 record.. follow 3 cappers.. everyday... bet 300/200 bucks a day.. and those days u will come up or u will come down.. simple as that .. its u and the cappers u choose that will make u win.. there alot of games through out the day.. but its patience is the key to sports gambling.. i like betting all the games in college basketball ..but guess what its worst thing u can do with your money.. because following a tout in all games they will never hit more than 50% ..in ncaab too many badcalls too many close games.. only the best wager games are the one who loses by 10 from the spread..

[iversatile45]

let start the winning streak

[Cannon]

Fade RAS totals and anything Helmut plays. I had already bet the Ras play before Ras gave it out. Follow regular guys in the regular threads. All of this stuff is a scam for you to lose and SBR makes money off your losses at the books.

You would be 1-0 fading Ras's totals today.

[biggie12]

Rafa, you mentioned losing a wad betting live on bet365. I don't know about any other sites besides Pinnacle, but I know bet365 has some brutal live odds...stuff like -100000 ML on tennis etc. (which of course will be on a massive favorite who has virtually won the match, but still)...ridiculous grease.

bet365 live betting is great for US market sports. Many times you can find value in live NBA games.

[mav924]

Not many cappers make money for their costumers

[Ocean6778]

One suggestion is to fade those not doing well. Pick n Roll from Covers are about 28% so far this month. The best part is it's free to get the picks.

Do as Power Play suggested and bet $1/game. Fade Pick n Roll picks for the rest of February. There's only 7 days left this month so the worst that can happen is you lose about $8.

For Tuesday the Pick n Roll Pick is Indiana Pacers.

BOL all

[gangeriver]

i am tired of following cappers here and get down an down and down..... when i play ras picks,,, i am at 40%, IF I PLAY DR. BOB very near 50%, ALSO down in real money not this units systems you guys claim so much,,, down in real euros or usd,, as you prefer, the others are even worse, i followed this cowboy guy,, indian,,,, in nhl and nba,, and went bankruptcy,,,,, if i fade lang cause most of you do the same i am 1 win, and 5 losses, this past week, so could anyone explain to me how to make consisting money in this fascinating but tiresome industry? just yesterday i have left 1500 euros in my two books accounts,, dowm from 3000 euros a month earlier,, i was so tired of seen my account down one day after another,,, that tired of being patient and disciplinated,, i placed my entire bankrol, or balance as you wish(sorry cannon for my engLISH), in the all star game over,,, i picked myself and trow all remaining money in that bet,,,,, luckily i won it easy,, and got back again to my starting 3000 euros, 3400 usd..aprox.... so now i want to change again my betting behavior and being conservative and polite only betting 3-5% of my bankrol in each pick,,, but the main question is here,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what i must do to start growing this amount,,, not decreasing the starting 3000,, cause if i see going down again, i will do the same and chances are that i will lose this final bet,,,,,,, hope i get bright and intelligent responses, i accept all advises, including about money mangement techniques,, even i think flat betting is the best way to go,, only it takes passion and adredaline away, it is more boring but i think more convenient,, kelly criterion i only see it for big large capitals,,,, i got subscription for winning angle,,, they only hit 40%,, so whAT IS THE PURPOSE of posting the picks here,, so that is what i see when i read about this angela christie novel man,, brad lang, if he is not thrusty better not to play him,,, and fading only will take you to about a 45-50% of wins,,, so please explain how this goes? tks so much rafa

Rafa, naturally americans and canadians take US sports bets but why don't you take europan basketball and hockey bets? You are from Europa (it seems Spain or Portugal) and I guess that you can use lots of book accounts offering europan basketball bets. A person can hit %54-55 in US sports. (%52 is breakeven) my biggest market is europan basketball because we hit over %60 certainly. Tail Montenegro's thread. also Preditx has a good KHL thread.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/more-sports/856579-montenegro88-basketball-thread-p4.html

maybe you can make money with US sports on weekdays if you do labouchere but if you take flat bets you need some chance

[ziptoe]

Fade yourself.

[bet.now]

sound system/service , good money management and descipline

[hornsrgrt]

play Keith Line's plays that are posted here. He doesn't play everyday but when he does, get it

Thanks Keith !

[linebacker67]

just start booking bets

[azplaya]

How did you go broke tailing Indian cowboy?

[alexboy-sport]

hi just folow me iam doing so far ok

look my first 60 picks no bad at all

record 60 picks

nba

22 WIN
8 L
1 PUSH


ncaa

15 WIN
11 L
3 PUSH


total both sports

37 win
19 loss
4 push

http://forum.sbrforum.com/nba-basketball-handicapping/915722-my-picks-nba-ncaa-p3.html

iam 2 place in the last race to hawaii in cover.com with

63.78%

[eyeball]

You have a 50-50 chance with your own picks, at leats if you loose its free..


Cappers are all mostly scams theyonly know a little more than you, but if yopu pay well you need to win more than 52.7% to beak even

All the best

[KurtNor]

Lots of good advice here. I find that watching teams play helps more than anything and being disciplined then when you pick. I think you do have to be a machine. Emotion gets you.

[ScamArtist]

Sell plays

[StaLin]

I was in same situation as you man,than i started with labby lines and here is what i do for 3months. I betting soccer and i do that all day,if one finished i make another bet and where i get my picks?Asianodds Org and beting only on blue ones,check that site and you will know,what i talking about..
I know,looks stupid,simple,coin flip,but coin flip in long run ended on 50% and thats what i need for labby and because i do about 5-7plays a day,that long run is shorter..
Its still just 3months,so i not betting big,but if this works another 3 months,LET'S PLAY!
GL

[Iceman]

Your not going to get rich trying to beat WA numbers 1 hour before game time. You need to do the work be an originator, bet early and get good numbers. Tough to beat the popular sports..........you can have much better success concentrating on the smaller sports.

This completely sums it up right here. best advice on here.