[habitualwinning]

1. All 50 states legalize sports betting.

2. All 50 states legalize recreational cannabis.

[ace7550]

1. All 50 states legalize sports betting.

2. All 50 states legalize recreational cannabis.

Sports betting. I don't think Texas is gonna legalize weed anytime soon.

[Chi_archie]

never happens in our lifetime will always be a few hold outs

[Foxx]

Probably more tax revenue potential from marijuana compared to sports betting so I'll go with recreational cannabis if I had to pick one.

[habitualwinning]

never happens in our lifetime will always be a few hold outs

Which ones do you have in mind?
Personally, I think a state like Utah would screw sports betting. Ultra religious state with strange laws. As far as cannabis idk which state(s) would jam that up?? Even super conservative states like Missouri have medical marijuana, so I would think that eventually leads to full legalization eventually.

[ThaTopMoron]

sports betting but Ohio needs to HURRY THE FUK UP and quit bitching about which agency gets to regulate sports betting in the State

[cincinnatikid513]

utah never getting it

[pologq]

cannabis first. i can see that going the way of cigarettes and being approved by all states eventually. some states really hate gambling and/or cannot figure the fcuk out on how to get it out properly. not sure why it is so difficult.

[habitualwinning]

I was ignorant to jump on Utah. I've been looking into this topic more. As of 2020, there are currently only 4 states in the country that don't have either legal sports or legal rec or med cannabis. Those are Idaho, Wyoming, Nebraska and Wisconsin. So those are the make or break states for this topic. Even weirdo Utah has medical marijuana.

I think there are only 4 states that currently have legal sports and recreational cannabis concurrently. Oregon, Nevada, Colorado and Illinois. D.C. may have both as well but it's not a state so I won't count it. If I missed any chime in.

Some of those states make sense. I can see why a state like Idaho or Wyoming wouldn't have legal sports or weed. What doesn't make sense is why a state like Wisconsin has neither or why states like Missouri and Louisiana with all their casinos already, don't have legal sports.

[habitualwinning]

Maine would've been another one with both legal but the Governor there recently vetoed the sports legalization bill that passed. I doubt anybody from this forum is from Maine but if you are chime in cause that sounds screwy. Why would a Governor veto a bill that would make money for their state?

I can remember there were some states where recreational cannabis went to a public vote and it lost. Arizona was one I remember. There were other states where this happened but I can't remember them. So Arizona might be a rogue outlier to national recreational cannabis if the voters there rejected it. I doubt the lawmakers in a conservative state like AZ would try to pass something the voting public already rejected recently.

[StackinGreen]

The real issue is that federally, marijuana is illegal. Not true for sports gambling, as it stands. From a legal perspective, it proves that America is a joke. They passed a ban on marijuana for laypeople (or scheduled it as a controlled substance), so if you actually didn't have a banana republic on our hands, they would overturn the legislation that they passed long ago. Pretty pathetic stuff, especially anyone who argues about law or rule of law.

[chico2663]

cannibis first. All they would have to do is tell rick perry he would get a cut and abbott would kiss his ass.

[habitualwinning]

The real issue is that federally, marijuana is illegal. Not true for sports gambling, as it stands. From a legal perspective, it proves that America is a joke. They passed a ban on marijuana for laypeople (or scheduled it as a controlled substance), so if you actually didn't have a banana republic on our hands, they would overturn the legislation that they passed long ago. Pretty pathetic stuff, especially anyone who argues about law or rule of law.

You're right that it should be overturned, especially since it's recreationally legal in about a dozen states now and about 2/3 of states have medical marijuana. So that's a pretty damning statement by the individual states and people to the feds.

I, however, disagree that repealing the federal ban would automatically open the floodgates to all 50 states legalizing. I think there would inevitably still be a few holdouts much like were seeing with sports legalization. Since sports ban was repealed there have still been 8 states by my count, that haven't even attempted to make sports betting legal. No bills introduced in their state chambers, no committees organized to explore the issue etc. There are also at least a few states where sports betting bills were passed by the house only to be rejected by the senate or vetoed by the governor. So, it would appear that some states are still sternly against sports, even though it's legal at the federal level.

[PaperTrail07]

Then you have states collecting dirty $............who do you charge for that....

The real issue is that federally, marijuana is illegal. Not true for sports gambling, as it stands. From a legal perspective, it proves that America is a joke. They passed a ban on marijuana for laypeople (or scheduled it as a controlled substance), so if you actually didn't have a banana republic on our hands, they would overturn the legislation that they passed long ago. Pretty pathetic stuff, especially anyone who argues about law or rule of law.

[Sanity Check]

If they ever get serious about ending the deficit.

Legalizing gambling and weed could be two decent ways to boost tax revenues and job markets.

[habitualwinning]

If they ever get serious about ending the deficit.

Legalizing gambling and weed could be two decent ways to boost tax revenues and job markets.

There's a serious conflict of interest between federal legal weed and the pharmaceutical and oil industries. The lobbyists for big pharma and oil are deep into the bank accounts of just about every senator and most representatives. Most major candidates' campaigns are outright funded from millions of contributions from the pharma and oil companies. That's the real reason weed is illegal at the federal level.

State level elections have far less lobby money involved, so the states legalizing it can circumvent that. Plus the states where it's legal in general have more liberal citizens than the average state, CA, WA etc. versus say Alabama, Ohio, Texas etc.

I predict it's gonna come to a head eventually. Either the feds will see the trend and overturn it or the feds will go full fascist mode and start a huge crackdown in states like CA, CO, WA etc. Like indictments, arrests, seizures etc. It's gonna be interesting to see what happens over the next decade or so. That's for sure!

[StackinGreen]

Then you have states collecting dirty $............who do you charge for that....

If you have the will, the same you charge for Sanctuary cities, who are not only saying FU to federal law, they are actually magnitudes more anti American and dangerous. I don't like any part about either, but those cities will be getting their due very soon. If they don't, it's a full admission of Banana Republic. Heck, they give ID cards to foreign nationals to subvert our elections right now, so in a lot of ways, many states have made it a Banana Republic --- given the complicit DC cartel who either actively doesn't want to do their job (most of the deep state) or doesn't even care.

[StackinGreen]

So, it would appear that some states are still sternly against sports, even though it's legal at the federal level.

Yes, which is how it should be, the genius of America is 50 experiments, all with consequences of the policies that they make. What made America a joke overnight was the total disregard for this federalism and generally leftist/statist control and rulings making all states essentially unable to differentiate themselves. Mostly this is through the "Commerce Clause" which many Dems have joked can be literally applied to every issue, because it gives them dictatorial power and takes away all states rights. Read Amendment 10 of the bill of rights to understand what isn't listed originally in the Constitution is up to the states. That means gambling, drugs, etc. It's a joke they were ever up to the Feds at all; a total dereliction of judicial and legislative duty, and spitting on the Constitution. Amendments are there for a reason, and they are hard to pass for a reason. The tenth is clear about what the Constitution does, and doesn't, call for ... unless amended. This is the cornerstone of the Constitution and if you argue otherwise, you spit on it, and make something in your own image. That image, as we've seen in the modern day, is quite ugly.

[StackinGreen]

If they ever get serious about ending the deficit.

Legalizing gambling and weed could be two decent ways to boost tax revenues and job markets.

If you do the math you'll see these are a drop in the bucket. Not even close. That's how crazy the Feds and states spend and promise. The problem for the states is that the Fed can actually print money or go QE ... states need bonds, that dry up eventually, no matter what you do --- if you keep spending more than you take in, and promise way beyond that, even, into the future.

[habitualwinning]

@stackingreen good write ups man. You're intelligent and pay attention to what's going on.

I understand everything you're saying but I think this country is too far gone and fuked at this point. The oligarchs and plutocrats haven't given a shit about the common American or following the constitution for about a century. We've been subverted by corporate law and policy and the deep state. USA is just a military pawn for the big boys calling the shots from behind their curtains and secret clubs.

Some guy recently sued the government over the Constitution and it went all the way to the Supreme Court. He claims he won. Idk I heard it on a radio show and couldn't listen to the whole thing. He was throwing around a lot of Latin legal terms too so it was hard to follow.

Basically what I gathered is he claimed the constitution doesn't apply to him since he didn't sign it or consent to it and that since he won his case, he can do whatever he wants now. That laws don't apply to him, he doesn't ever have to pay taxes or get a license for anything etc. You know anything about this?