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  • homie1975
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 12-24-13
    • 15452

    #1
    honest question, please do not get upset or unruly. it is just a question...........
    is forumville dead?

    are the days of the mid to late 2000's when sports forums were ablaze with activity, gone?

    if so, then why all of a sudden is this happening now?

    it is like the activity has fallen off a cliff at the some of the most popular ones, like this one.

    thoughts ?
  • homie1975
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 12-24-13
    • 15452

    #2
    TBH it is kinda sad.
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    • Optional
      Administrator
      • 06-10-10
      • 61373

      #3
      I hope we haven't lost all the old timers from forumville.

      But this is always the quiet time of year on SBR so fingers crossed by football season the crowd picks up.
      .
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      • Eddy Munny
        Restricted User
        • 08-13-13
        • 15767

        #4
        I've been asking the same question to people on MySpace and all I get is crickets.

        I'll try using bigger font, that should do the trick.
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        • homie1975
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 12-24-13
          • 15452

          #5
          OPTY
          it is ghostly quiet
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          • homie1975
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 12-24-13
            • 15452

            #6
            Originally posted by Eddy Munny
            I've been asking the same question to people on MySpace and all I get is crickets.

            I'll try using bigger font, that should do the trick.
            that is implying they left to a better "forum" than MySpace, ie Facebook

            i don't believe that has happened in forumville

            i just think we are going extinct (sad face)
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            • Eddy Munny
              Restricted User
              • 08-13-13
              • 15767

              #7
              Originally posted by homie1975
              that is implying they left to a better "forum" than MySpace, ie Facebook

              i don't believe that has happened in forumville

              i just think we are going extinct (sad face)
              Well "better" is subjective of course, but enough people have moved on to alternatives they deem better.

              These type of threads seem to sprout every other week now, they answer is self evident.
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              • Optional
                Administrator
                • 06-10-10
                • 61373

                #8
                I've been saying for a while now that we need to not be parochial about gambling forums as keeping the regulars involved at any forum is good for all forums as people drift about between us all over time.

                But don't give up yet. It really does always feel slow at this time of year.
                .
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                • Headsterx
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 12-03-16
                  • 22890

                  #9
                  Here's an honest answer...

                  Saloon this shit!!!

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                  • Thor4140
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 02-09-08
                    • 22296

                    #10
                    The four changes i notice were all awful. It is almost like the new owners treat this like a stock and are shorting it. I use to come here probably for five different reasons. It is down to 1.5.
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                    • Eddy Munny
                      Restricted User
                      • 08-13-13
                      • 15767

                      #11
                      Optional is rearranging deck furniture on the Titanic.

                      Let's be honest, football season won't resuscitate the board. 80% of traffic will be Johnny's "on it" threads, with consistent bumps from Chucky the Throat playing grab ass.
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                      • homie1975
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 12-24-13
                        • 15452

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Eddy Munny
                        Well "better" is subjective of course, but enough people have moved on to alternatives they deem better.

                        These type of threads seem to sprout every other week now, they answer is self evident.
                        i do not see those threads.

                        are they somewhere other than in PT

                        i think this is a real issue now

                        i do not see how sports betting forums survive much longer.
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                        • 19th Hole
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 03-22-09
                          • 18936

                          #13
                          Sports Forums may be facing the sting
                          of many more options available...
                          more social media platforms, podcasts and legal gaming services.

                          And when in doubt...blame the fentanyl scourge.
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                          • homie1975
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 12-24-13
                            • 15452

                            #14
                            Originally posted by 19th Hole
                            Sports Forums may be facing the sting
                            of many more options available...
                            more social media platforms, podcasts and legal gaming services
                            .

                            And when in doubt...blame the fentynal scourge.
                            noted 19th-er

                            but these were all there the last decade-plus,

                            but in the last 6-9 mos, the traffic at these sports betting forums seems to have gone off a cliff.
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                            • Eddy Munny
                              Restricted User
                              • 08-13-13
                              • 15767

                              #15
                              Originally posted by homie1975
                              i do not see those threads.

                              are they somewhere other than in PT

                              i think this is a real issue now

                              i do not see how sports betting forums survive much longer.
                              I see them on a fairly regular basis, considering the lack of general traffic.

                              Hell, the last one ballooned to 6 or 7 pages, can't recall exactly, but then I'm sure it got Saloon'd because because they become eyesores on the front page and the Mods gotta do a little housekeeping.
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                              • 19th Hole
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 03-22-09
                                • 18936

                                #16
                                The younger crowd has been lining up for drag shows
                                and surgical procedures to
                                see if they can become who they imagine
                                they are.

                                There is a slewing going on.

                                Don't forget there are many more summertime beach
                                activities bringing unfortunate water
                                contact for cell phones and laptops.

                                You never know when you could be next.
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                                • Optional
                                  Administrator
                                  • 06-10-10
                                  • 61373

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Eddy Munny

                                  I see them on a fairly regular basis, considering the lack of general traffic.

                                  Hell, the last one ballooned to 6 or 7 pages, can't recall exactly, but then I'm sure it got Saloon'd because because they become eyesores on the front page and the Mods gotta do a little housekeeping.
                                  Yeah don't really want negativity on the main page indefinitely.

                                  But if a thread is getting engagement we tend to leave it where it is for a while.
                                  .
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                                  • homie1975
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 12-24-13
                                    • 15452

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Optional
                                    Yeah don't really want negativity on the main page indefinitely.

                                    But if a thread is getting engagement we tend to leave it where it is for a while.
                                    Opti
                                    we should not hide from it.

                                    I am not buying too much into the twitter argument tho, TBH

                                    it has been around a long time.

                                    sports betting forum posting fell of a cliff the last 6 mos.

                                    something is up.
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                                    • mjsuax13
                                      Moderator
                                      • 03-14-15
                                      • 25083

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by homie1975
                                      is forumville dead?

                                      are the days of the mid to late 2000's when sports forums were ablaze with activity, gone?

                                      if so, then why all of a sudden is this happening now?

                                      it is like the activity has fallen off a cliff at the some of the most popular ones, like this one.

                                      thoughts ?
                                      I do not think it’s done or gone. It certainly has shifted. I’m in the media/advertising business and digital was supposed to kill TV/Radio/Print long ago and it hasn’t because there’s always a core audience available. What has happened is you have to put money across multiple media vehicles/content platforms.

                                      Forum users certainly have shifted to other platforms and there are just so many but I think we can attract and retain a core audience and then generate traffic to other parts of the site and we are. Not every site visitor will post in the forum and not every poster will use all the sites offerings. So many apps, social media, score chat, etc… many places to post plays, picks, argue, be an asshole, troll, etc… that said- I do believe we will retain a core audience. People that learn of this platform/format may consider also.

                                      There are just so many options that you have to do a good job of differentiating yourself. I think SBR’s cash/gift card contests can help achieve that here. You and I are also some 40ish guys with wives, kids, work, responsibilities, etc…
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                                      • homie1975
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 12-24-13
                                        • 15452

                                        #20
                                        MJer
                                        i believe in the sports forum space there were more about 15y ago than there are today:

                                        SBR
                                        EOG
                                        MajorWager
                                        Covers
                                        The Rx
                                        VegasInsider

                                        and others I am forgetting who went by the wayside.

                                        I believe in this space the competition is less, No ?
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                                        • pavyracer
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 04-12-07
                                          • 82727

                                          #21
                                          Here is what happened. 25 years ago when forums started posters where 25 years younger, don't laugh yet. The primary bettors in forums were guys in this demographic 35 years to 60 years old. Now after 25 years these people are 60 - 85 years old (most likely half of them dead as gamblers are fat, drink a lot and smoke and sit all day watching screens and never exercise).

                                          When the forums where big in 2005-2010 the forums didn't invest in attracting young members as their only concern was to maximize profits from their current demographic (35-60). As posters kept dying or retiring there was no new blood replacing them and here we are where we are now.

                                          When I was a teenager my dad would take me to the racetrack or taught me how to gamble with his local. I would ask questions about spreads, totals, etc to learn. Now how many of you in this forum who have children are teaching them about sports gambling? If you don't teach the new generation how to gamble then the forums will eventually die as kids now have so many other hobbies like Tik Tok, Snapchat, Instagram, etc.

                                          That's my two cents.
                                          Last edited by pavyracer; 06-13-23, 08:54 PM.
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                                          • mjsuax13
                                            Moderator
                                            • 03-14-15
                                            • 25083

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by homie1975
                                            MJer
                                            i believe in the sports forum space there were more about 15y ago than there are today:

                                            SBR
                                            EOG
                                            MajorWager
                                            Covers
                                            The Rx
                                            VegasInsider

                                            and others I am forgetting who went by the wayside.

                                            I believe in this space the competition is less, No ?
                                            Yes, I’m sure of there being more years ago and I’ve only been even aware of forums for about 10 years. No telling how those were all managed or what type of consolidation took place. I do agree not much direct competition but as soon as I open up scoring apps and go to chat it’s tons of people talking about teams, players, picks, etc… touts, trolls, etc…competition is all around today. Sports betting has never been more front page than today and I’d like to think we can still get our fair share of traffic.
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                                            • stevenash
                                              Moderator
                                              • 01-17-11
                                              • 65461

                                              #23
                                              i've been involved in this business since 1996.
                                              This is one of the first things I noticed all these years ago.
                                              All sports forums will be quiet the next eight to ten weeks.

                                              Outside of MLB, this is what you have, US Open Golf, Wimbledon, a couple of other golf and tennis majors, and that's pretty much it.
                                              You have posters from all sites going away for vacations, etc. etc.

                                              Then football cranks up, and everybody comes back to life so to speak.

                                              You can't make a proper assessment to the question "Is Forumville dead"? Until at least the beginning of the NFL playoffs.
                                              Until then, it's a wait and see.

                                              Riddle me this?
                                              If message boards are a dinosaur, explain why Redditt is still at top ten GLOBAL message board website?
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                                              • mjsuax13
                                                Moderator
                                                • 03-14-15
                                                • 25083

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by pavyracer
                                                Here is what happened. 25 years ago when forums started posters where 25 years younger, don't laugh yet. The primary bettors in forums were guys in this demographic 35 years to 60 years old. Now after 25 years these people are 50 - 85 years old (most likely half of them dead as gamblers are fat, drink a lot and smoke and sit all day watching screens and never exercise).

                                                When the forums where big in 2005-2010 the forums didn't invest in attracting young members as their only concern was to maximize profits from their current demographic (35-60). As posters kept dying or retiring there was no new blood replacing them and here we are were we are now.

                                                When I was a teenager my dad would take me to the racetrack or taught me how to gamble with his local. I would ask questions about spreads, totals, etc to learn. Now how many of you in this forum who have children are teaching them about sports gambling? If you don't teach the new generation how to gamble the the forums will eventually die as kids now have so many other hobbies like Tik Tok, Snapchat, Instagram, etc.

                                                That's my two cents.
                                                I don’t disagree with this. Very good points. The one that stands out is the reinvestment in posters. I think that is spot on. I heard about SBR from a friend through word of mouth and visited for 3.5 years before I even signed up. I only signed up to ask about LT’s model and here I am. Lol
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                                                • homie1975
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 12-24-13
                                                  • 15452

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by mjsuax13
                                                  Yes, I’m sure of there being more years ago and I’ve only been even aware of forums for about 10 years. No telling how those were all managed or what type of consolidation took place. I do agree not much direct competition but as soon as I open up scoring apps and go to chat it’s tons of people talking about teams, players, picks, etc… touts, trolls, etc…competition is all around today. Sports betting has never been more front page than today and I’d like to think we can still get our fair share of traffic.

                                                  yasssssss !!!!

                                                  i hope so !!!!!!

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                                                  • mjsuax13
                                                    Moderator
                                                    • 03-14-15
                                                    • 25083

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by homie1975
                                                    yasssssss !!!!

                                                    i hope so !!!!!!

                                                    You and I can scream into our echo chamber if all else fails! Bahahahah
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                                                    • Eddy Munny
                                                      Restricted User
                                                      • 08-13-13
                                                      • 15767

                                                      #27
                                                      KiDBaZkit was great for football discussion and he was banned. I know people hate Morino but at least he'd post in depth analysis on his football picks/leans, he was banned. I was banned for the entirely of last football season and then some. I don't know about KVB but he seems M.I.A. I'm sure I'm forgetting others.

                                                      When SBR was fresh, young, and thriving they could kick guys like us to the curb and not miss a beat. But no longer a spring chicken, it's tougher to rebound when you put legitimate discussion on the sidelines and count on "on it" threads to pick up the slack.
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                                                      • flyingillini
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 12-06-06
                                                        • 41219

                                                        #28
                                                        All the posters that were posting here during the prime years of SBR all post at other forums. They are still around just not here. There are still lots of other forums out there.
                                                        המוסד‎
                                                        המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים‎
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                                                        • homie1975
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 12-24-13
                                                          • 15452

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by stevenash
                                                          i've been involved in this business since 1996.
                                                          This is one of the first things I noticed all these years ago.
                                                          All sports forums will be quiet the next eight to ten weeks.

                                                          Outside of MLB, this is what you have, US Open Golf, Wimbledon, a couple of other golf and tennis majors, and that's pretty much it.
                                                          You have posters from all sites going away for vacations, etc. etc.

                                                          Then football cranks up, and everybody comes back to life so to speak.

                                                          You can't make a proper assessment to the question "Is Forumville dead"? Until at least the beginning of the NFL playoffs.
                                                          Until then, it's a wait and see.

                                                          Riddle me this?
                                                          If message boards are a dinosaur, explain why Redditt is still at top ten GLOBAL message board website?

                                                          you are misunderstanding my original question/statement.

                                                          i was talking about Sports Forum Message Boards, not general boards like REDDIT

                                                          there is 100x more on REDDIT about cooking and recipes than there is about sports.
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                                                          • homie1975
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 12-24-13
                                                            • 15452

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by flyingillini
                                                            All the posters that were posting here during the prime years of SBR all post at other forums. They are still around just not here. There are still lots of other forums out there.
                                                            they don't

                                                            most of them are gone

                                                            where is RoyBacon?
                                                            Grease Lightnin?
                                                            minnesota fats?
                                                            KVB ?

                                                            they are gone gone gone. they are done with this racket.
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                                                            • playersonly69
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 01-04-08
                                                              • 12827

                                                              #31
                                                              One of the main reasons why some people came to forums in the first place was because of Offshore betting and wanting to know about certain books. Now that almost everyone in the US can place bets within at least 1 state of their residence, there is no need for offshore wagering. Thus we will never get new members and the older member either die off or just quit gambling
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                                                              • turbobets
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 01-13-06
                                                                • 999

                                                                #32
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                                                                • TheMoneyShot
                                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                  • 02-14-07
                                                                  • 28672

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Not trying to act or sound like an a-hole... this place was booming because of a unique pattern. Highly thought out... and it made things more entertaining... Poker... Betpoints (that were worth something)... a sportsbook. Beat The Prick... a few bashes. I totally understand... things do change. The die hards are still around... but soon they will fade out. It happens... it's called life.

                                                                  Throw in a ridiculous NHL Finals... and NBA Finals... and it's proof in the pudding. No one cares when things are lame.

                                                                  I wish everyone an amazing Summer! Enjoy the weather!! Don't do anything I wouldn't do.
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                                                                  • Bigbill365
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 06-22-12
                                                                    • 4572

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Yeah everyone’s moved on once SBR got rid of bet points store and poker and Legalized books I think a lot of the offshore funding stopped
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                                                                    • Da Manster!
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 07-13-07
                                                                      • 17720

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by playersonly69
                                                                      One of the main reasons why some people came to forums in the first place was because of Offshore betting and wanting to know about certain books. Now that almost everyone in the US can place bets within at least 1 state of their residence, there is no need for offshore wagering. Thus we will never get new members and the older member either die off or just quit gambling
                                                                      My sentiments exactly...I think it has more to do with the legalization of gambling in general. Most US states now allow gambling so there really is no need for offshore accounts...I remember one of the main reasons why I joined SBR way back in 2007 was primarily because of the www.sportsbook.com fiasco when they started stiffing players and withdrawal delays were lasting anywhere from 3 - 5 months! (that's how long it took for someone to get paid)...As a matter of fact, one of the most iconic and epic threads in SBR history "Sportsbook withdrawal delay" was what really jump started this forum. SBR had become one of the biggest police forums (advertising dollars aside) and that was probably the main reason why people became members...to constantly checkup on which offshore accounts were paying on time, which accounts were shady and going defunct, offshore grades from A+ - F, etc. all of the other "JJGOLD", "bullshit", "Fly Me", "Saloon" "politics" (insert whatever) threads were basically just strictly for sheer entertainment purposes!
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