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  • dante1
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    #36
    Originally posted by slewfan
    When was the last time demoRats raised taxes on the rich.?. LOL. They are having a meeting right now planning to ''tax the rich''. That's exactly why Joe hired 87 thousand new IRS agents. So they can tax Joe, Pelosi, Newsome and all the rich people...

    You guys are blinded by your own stupidity. Gregga Thunberg
    these comments from a clown who pays virtually no tax. no payroll tax because he never worked.
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    • dante1
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      #37
      Originally posted by Greget
      It's actually a tacit admission that taxes are far too low and need to be raised, which gives the American people two options 1. Vote for Democrats to raise taxes on the rich 2. Vote for Republicans to raise taxes on everyone else.
      yep, isn't that the irony. often the very poor vote R and get it pushed up their backside every time. read some of the crazies even their comments point to abject poverty. their lack of basic knowledge is frightening,
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      • guitarjosh
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        #38
        Originally posted by Greget
        You stayed up until 3am and this is all you could squeeze out of your last two braincells.

        The only thing collapsing is your brain under the weight of it's own stupidity.
        No, midnight then went to bed. Those countries have aging populations and the path they're on isn't sustainable, and that's the path you want us to go on.

        I'll admit that they need an income tax for the people who make enough to be global citizens, so if they want to buy a $20 million yacht but don't want to pay the $6 million tax they just go to Greece and get it, but most people would be better off with this. Trump and the GOP cut corporate taxes from 28% to 20% and the economy boomed and regressives were tripping over themselves to give credit to Obama and the democrats. Companies immediately were raising their minimum wages and giving out thousand dollar cash bonuses. It would be significantly better for the average person if we eliminated the corporate taxes, capital gains taxes, and income taxes on people who make less than $1,000,000 a year.
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        • stevenash
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          #39
          And right on cue here comes Thor with meaningless lefty twitter posts.
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          • khicks26
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            #40
            Originally posted by guitarjosh
            Few could survive if 99% of the population didn't work. I don't know what you think you would eat since you don't have a gun.

            I wouldn't jump off a building, I'd be fine.

            No Hicks, I think my bullets and guns will do that. I don't need to hire people to protect me, I do that myself.

            I'd shoot them before they knew what hit them.


            The Nordic model is to make everyone pay taxes to take care of their material needs. The problem with it is that it makes things so expensive they can't afford to have enough children to keep the scheme going, and society will eventually collapse.

            I never implied the tax dollars collected in the Nordic countries is funneled to the top 1%, you're lying again.



            Do you see why we shouldn't have the government run our healthcare or other needs? Evil monsters like Greg and other regressives would be doing everything they could to ensure that the people they hate, and there are over 100,000,000 million Americans they hate and want dead, couldn't get the healthcare and medicine they need.


            I just believe in freedom unlike you. Well, you believe in freedom for the groups you love and oppression for the groups you hate. I don't mind paying for a government if the government failure is less than the market failure.

            I didn't listen to the propaganda video, but the total government spending at all levels of government is over $30,000 a year per capita and they still isn't enough. That's all the proof you need that their policies don't work.
            You believe in freedom that you can buy. Corporations and rich people get more funds from government than anyone else. People like you don't pay for shit.

            Of course you didn't watch it, and will continue to say stupid shit because you don't live in the real world.
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            • Greget
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              #41
              Originally posted by guitarjosh
              No, midnight then went to bed. Those countries have aging populations and the path they're on isn't sustainable, and that's the path you want us to go on.

              \
              Still waiting for the collapse, Josh. When will it happen, oh wise one?
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              • Greget
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                #42
                Originally posted by stevenash
                And right on cue here comes Thor with meaningless lefty twitter posts.
                and right on cue, triggered Nashtard with an even more meaningless post from the vacuum of his last dying braincell
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                • stevenash
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                  #43
                  Originally posted by Greget
                  and right on cue, triggered Nashtard with an even more meaningless post from the vacuum of his last dying braincell
                  Ring the bell, take out your notebooks boys and girls, school's in session.

                  I can trigger Greggy without even posting at him.

                  Hey Greggy!
                  I'm better than you, and you know it.

                  Hey look, my blood pressure is still the same consistent 124/78.
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                  • guitarjosh
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                    #44
                    Originally posted by khicks26
                    You believe in freedom that you can buy. Corporations and rich people get more funds from government than anyone else. People like you don't pay for shit.

                    Of course you didn't watch it, and will continue to say stupid shit because you don't live in the real world.
                    I don't want to buy freedom, I want to be free from being forced by another person to do things I don't want to do. You believe that if you take away my freedom and private property rights you'll also take away unmet material needs. You're not the first person to believe that, but you would be the first to get that to work.

                    I live in a world where there is scarcity and value. You live in a make believe world where all material lack is due to greed and oppression.

                    Originally posted by Greget
                    Still waiting for the collapse, Josh. When will it happen, oh wise one?
                    Give it time. Those countries you want to emulate have aging populations and are heading over a demographic cliff. Just because you haven't fallen off the cliff yet doesn't mean you're won't if you keep going.
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                    • Greget
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                      #45
                      Still waiting Josh
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                      • khicks26
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                        #46
                        Originally posted by guitarjosh
                        I don't want to buy freedom, I want to be free from being forced by another person to do things I don't want to do. You believe that if you take away my freedom and private property rights you'll also take away unmet material needs. You're not the first person to believe that, but you would be the first to get that to work.

                        I live in a world where there is scarcity and value. You live in a make believe world where all material lack is due to greed and oppression.



                        Give it time. Those countries you want to emulate have aging populations and are heading over a demographic cliff. Just because you haven't fallen off the cliff yet doesn't mean you're won't if you keep going.
                        You believe in freedom if you can afford it. What do you mean by private property?

                        So are you saying you believe in greed and oppression? This we know.

                        Starting to sound like your people need to be more productive BS coming from a guy that produces nothing.
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                        • Thor4140
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                          #47
                          Originally posted by stevenash
                          And right on cue here comes Thor with meaningless lefty twitter posts.
                          Sorry that sharp lady does not line up with your moderate cough cough views
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                          • guitarjosh
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                            #48
                            Originally posted by khicks26
                            You believe in freedom if you can afford it. What do you mean by private property?

                            So are you saying you believe in greed and oppression? This we know.

                            Starting to sound like your people need to be more productive BS coming from a guy that produces nothing.
                            I believe that all people should be able to do what they want as long as they're not causing material harm against another person no matter how much they have. Causing harm and not helping aren't the same thing. You believe in making the groups you love better off at the expense of the groups you hate.

                            No, I believe in freedom, unlike you.

                            I've produced over 10% returns for my clients this year. I allow people to retire early and better. You paint boats, and those fumes have clearly messed with your brain over the years.
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                            • Greget
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                              #49
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                              • rkelly110
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                                #50
                                ^^^ Do they even think before opening their stupid F'n pie holes?
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                                • khicks26
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                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by guitarjosh
                                  I believe that all people should be able to do what they want as long as they're not causing material harm against another person no matter how much they have. Causing harm and not helping aren't the same thing. You believe in making the groups you love better off at the expense of the groups you hate.

                                  No, I believe in freedom, unlike you.

                                  I've produced over 10% returns for my clients this year. I allow people to retire early and better. You paint boats, and those fumes have clearly messed with your brain over the years.
                                  You didn't answer the question, What do you mean by private property?

                                  So companies you invest in dumping toxins in the water doesn't harm people? Under paying workers not giving them benefits or healthcare isn't economic violence. I could go on and on about the harm people like you cause by just doing what you want. You said it yourself, you believe groups, I believe in society. You believe freedom for some, those that can afford it.

                                  Making money from money is not producing. That's being a parasite on those that do produce a product. Clearly your own greed is messing with your brain.

                                  There's no honor in what you do. Your just a parasite helping larger ​parasites.
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                                  • khicks26
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                                    #52
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                                    • dante1
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                                      #53
                                      even some of the crazies oppose this. the ahole party is finally getting what they deserve. the ahole party is only a few steps away from a complete disaster. now, there is infighting. when did all this start? well, we told them and we told them and we told them. however, what is great, really great is a huge amount of people still support him. imagine that, the greatest gift to the D party would be another trump run.


                                      sometimes I forget to keep that in my prayers.
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                                      • DwightShrute
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                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by dante1
                                        even some of the crazies oppose this. the ahole party is finally getting what they deserve. the ahole party is only a few steps away from a complete disaster. now, there is infighting. when did all this start? well, we told them and we told them and we told them. however, what is great, really great is a huge amount of people still support him. imagine that, the greatest gift to the D party would be another trump run.


                                        sometimes I forget to keep that in my prayers.
                                        not as often as you leaving the house and forgetting to put on pants I bet.
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                                        • khicks26
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                                          #55
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                                          • rkelly110
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                                            #56
                                            Originally posted by khicks26
                                            You didn't answer the question, What do you mean by private property?

                                            So companies you invest in dumping toxins in the water doesn't harm people? Under paying workers not giving them benefits or healthcare isn't economic violence. I could go on and on about the harm people like you cause by just doing what you want. You said it yourself, you believe groups, I believe in society. You believe freedom for some, those that can afford it.

                                            Making money from money is not producing. That's being a parasite on those that do produce a product. Clearly your own greed is messing with your brain.

                                            There's no honor in what you do. Your just a parasite helping larger ​parasites.
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                                            • guitarjosh
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                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by khicks26
                                              You didn't answer the question, What do you mean by private property?

                                              So companies you invest in dumping toxins in the water doesn't harm people? Under paying workers not giving them benefits or healthcare isn't economic violence. I could go on and on about the harm people like you cause by just doing what you want. You said it yourself, you believe groups, I believe in society. You believe freedom for some, those that can afford it.

                                              Making money from money is not producing. That's being a parasite on those that do produce a product. Clearly your own greed is messing with your brain.

                                              There's no honor in what you do. Your just a parasite helping larger ​parasites.
                                              Property that can be owned by an individual or individuals. What's yours?

                                              Which companies that I invest in are dumping toxins into water at a higher rate than allowed by the EPA? Be specific. We've been through this before Hicks, the reason we have poverty in the world isn't due to greed, but lack of productivity. Again, if you take everything produced in the world in a year and divide it up equally between every person in the world, everyone would be in dire poverty by American standards. The only way out is to produce more. There is no such thing as economic violence, it's a made up term. I never said I believe in groups, I believe in individuals being free from having harm initiated against them by another person(s). I believe in freedom and equality of treatment for all regardless of money, you believe in making the groups you love better off at the expense of the groups you hate.

                                              Tell that to the people that get my investment advice and the taxes they have to pay on the capital gains. The IRS sure thinks I produce something.

                                              One main problems we have is you just know nothing about economics. The reason companies go public is so they can get money, in some cases billions of dollars that they never have to pay back. That billions can be the difference between thousands of employees having a job or being unemployed.
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                                              • khicks26
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                                                #58
                                                Originally posted by guitarjosh
                                                Property that can be owned by an individual or individuals. What's yours?

                                                Which companies that I invest in are dumping toxins into water at a higher rate than allowed by the EPA? Be specific. We've been through this before Hicks, the reason we have poverty in the world isn't due to greed, but lack of productivity. Again, if you take everything produced in the world in a year and divide it up equally between every person in the world, everyone would be in dire poverty by American standards. The only way out is to produce more. There is no such thing as economic violence, it's a made up term. I never said I believe in groups, I believe in individuals being free from having harm initiated against them by another person(s). I believe in freedom and equality of treatment for all regardless of money, you believe in making the groups you love better off at the expense of the groups you hate.

                                                Tell that to the people that get my investment advice and the taxes they have to pay on the capital gains. The IRS sure thinks I produce something.

                                                One main problems we have is you just know nothing about economics. The reason companies go public is so they can get money, in some cases billions of dollars that they never have to pay back. That billions can be the difference between thousands of employees having a job or being unemployed.
                                                What kind of property? Personal, capital, real estate?

                                                All corporations put profits over people, so it really doesn't matter what you invest in. It's causing harm which makes you a hypocrite. OF COURSE.

                                                I don't accept your BS strawman. Look at all the food that's wasted everyday because it goes unsold. Yet people go hungry, or houses that are empty, yet people live on the street. Its not a production problem, its a distribution problem.

                                                You initiate harm on people everyday by what you believe and do. You believe in individualism, mostly you and yourself. Which makes freedom for all impossible, So I also reject this strawman as well.

                                                Money from money is not a product, you produce nothing.

                                                I understand your economics enough to know you don't understand economics. Making money from stocks is not the economy, its rent seeking. Which is the reason you produce nothing.

                                                As the book above says: Your killing the host.


                                                Its also funny how you became a fan of the EPA all of a sudden. LMAO The EPA is a corporate captured institution that does the minimum.


                                                But here you go righteous JOSH the douche bag. People like you just doing what they want.


                                                I Guess we all have to have PFAS compound in our blood stream because of Josh.s property rights.

                                                FUKING CLOWN


                                                Today, the family of compounds including Teflon, commonly called PFAS, is found not only in pots and pans but also in the blood of people around the world, including 99 percent of Americans. PFAS chemicals pollute water, do not break down, and remain in the environment and people for decades.
                                                Last edited by khicks26; 01-30-23, 08:56 PM.
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                                                • Greget
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                                                  #59
                                                  Originally posted by guitarjosh
                                                  Property that can be owned by an individual or individuals. What's yours?

                                                  Which companies that I invest in are dumping toxins into water at a higher rate than allowed by the EPA? Be specific. We've been through this before Hicks, the reason we have poverty in the world isn't due to greed, but lack of productivity. Again, if you take everything produced in the world in a year and divide it up equally between every person in the world, everyone would be in dire poverty by American standards. The only way out is to produce more. There is no such thing as economic violence, it's a made up term. I never said I believe in groups, I believe in individuals being free from having harm initiated against them by another person(s). I believe in freedom and equality of treatment for all regardless of money, you believe in making the groups you love better off at the expense of the groups you hate.

                                                  Tell that to the people that get my investment advice and the taxes they have to pay on the capital gains. The IRS sure thinks I produce something.

                                                  One main problems we have is you just know nothing about economics. The reason companies go public is so they can get money, in some cases billions of dollars that they never have to pay back. That billions can be the difference between thousands of employees having a job or being unemployed.
                                                  Isn't every term "made up"...it has a wikipedia entry, so maybe you've never heard the term, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exits. You should listen to khicks, he's smarter than you.


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                                                  • slewfan
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                                                    #60
                                                    Wikipedia has been proven to print false or mis information. It helps your ridiculous agenda of foolishness and lies.
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                                                    • guitarjosh
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                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by khicks26
                                                      What kind of property? Personal, capital, real estate?

                                                      Yes. Again, what is your definition?

                                                      All corporations put profits over people, so it really doesn't matter what you invest in. It's causing harm which makes you a hypocrite. OF COURSE.

                                                      Go ahead and prove all corporations put profits over people. You do realize most corporations are just small businesses, right?

                                                      I don't accept your BS strawman. Look at all the food that's wasted everyday because it goes unsold. Yet people go hungry, or houses that are empty, yet people live on the street. Its not a production problem, its a distribution problem.

                                                      Do you know why a lot of that food goes unsold? It is spoiled or damaged! Have you ever gone shopping, looked at a package of strawberries and seen mold all over it? Have you ever opened a carton of milk only to discover it's sour? Do you really want to consume that? It's estimated that it would cost $40 billion a year to end world hunger. To put that in perspective, over the past 12 months people have spent $31.62 billion on Netflix subscriptions, meaning we could cut world hunger by 75% if people would cut Netflix and put the money towards Action Against Hunger or other charities designed to end hunger. Disney did over 82 billion.

                                                      I don't know how many times we've been through it, but you're stupid ass still refuses to get it. There isn't enough produced in the world every year to get everyone out of poverty! World Wide GDP per capita in 2021 = 12,234.8 according to the World Bank. US Federal government spending (not including state and local) = $20,634 per capita. That means if you took everything produced in the world every year and divided it between every person, we couldn't even fund the US Federal government, not to mention the state and local governments, and no one would get a gift, tip or paycheck. You can't redistribute your way out of a problem caused by scarcity. If you weren't the dumbest of all asses, you would realize that


                                                      You initiate harm on people everyday by what you believe and do. You believe in individualism, mostly you and yourself. Which makes freedom for all impossible, So I also reject this strawman as well.

                                                      No I don't, you do. You keep pushing that we can redistribute our way out of a problem caused by lack of productivity, putting our resources in the wrong place. Prove it makes freedom for all impossible. You can't, because you're just making things up

                                                      Money from money is not a product, you produce nothing.

                                                      I wish the IRS thought that way. Maybe we should eliminate capital gains taxes if that's what you believe.

                                                      I understand your economics enough to know you don't understand economics. Making money from stocks is not the economy, its rent seeking. Which is the reason you produce nothing.

                                                      I make money from investing, not rent seeking. If you weren't so stupid and ignorant of economics, you would understand this better. I believe in a previous post you said that you're a home owner. Did you pay cash for the house or borrow? If you borrowed, they didn't just give you the check, they made sure you were a good person to get a loan. They stopped doing that for a few years and we got 2008.

                                                      There are a lot of companies that need to expand but don't have the cash to do that, so they go to investors to raise the cash.

                                                      The above examples are where people like I come in. We make sure that cash is given to the best companies and people so that money is made on the investment, and we don't suffer another 2008 melt down where everyone who could fog a mirror got cash. The ironic thing is that if we did things your way, either the economy would constantly be in shambles, or only the wealthiest people could own property or expand their business, and they would dominate.


                                                      As the book above says: Your killing the host.

                                                      The people that are killing the host are the ones who consume more than they produce. You either put more into the country than you take out, or take out more than you put in. You have bought into this nonsense that the way to make the country better is to cater to the people in the minus column, and just give them other peoples' money to spend, not to get them to produce more so we all win. You're the one killing the host.

                                                      Its also funny how you became a fan of the EPA all of a sudden. LMAO The EPA is a corporate captured institution that does the minimum.

                                                      There are market failures, and I don't have a problem with a government intervention provided the government failure is smaller than market failure.

                                                      But here you go righteous JOSH the douche bag. People like you just doing what they want.

                                                      People should be allowed to do whatever they want provided they aren't initiating harm against another person.

                                                      I Guess we all have to have PFAS compound in our blood stream because of Josh.s property rights.

                                                      FUKING CLOWN


                                                      Today, the family of compounds including Teflon, commonly called PFAS, is found not only in pots and pans but also in the blood of people around the world, including 99 percent of Americans. PFAS chemicals pollute water, do not break down, and remain in the environment and people for decades.
                                                      We have that because the government regulators said they were ok. Blame them.
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                                                      • rkelly110
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                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by Greget
                                                        Isn't every term "made up"...it has a wikipedia entry, so maybe you've never heard the term, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exits. You should listen to khicks, he's smarter than you.


                                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_violence
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                                                        • Greget
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                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by khicks26
                                                          What kind of property? Personal, capital, real estate?

                                                          All corporations put profits over people, so it really doesn't matter what you invest in. It's causing harm which makes you a hypocrite. OF COURSE.

                                                          I don't accept your BS strawman. Look at all the food that's wasted everyday because it goes unsold. Yet people go hungry, or houses that are empty, yet people live on the street. Its not a production problem, its a distribution problem.

                                                          You initiate harm on people everyday by what you believe and do. You believe in individualism, mostly you and yourself. Which makes freedom for all impossible, So I also reject this strawman as well.

                                                          Money from money is not a product, you produce nothing.

                                                          I understand your economics enough to know you don't understand economics. Making money from stocks is not the economy, its rent seeking. Which is the reason you produce nothing.

                                                          As the book above says: Your killing the host.


                                                          Its also funny how you became a fan of the EPA all of a sudden. LMAO The EPA is a corporate captured institution that does the minimum.


                                                          But here you go righteous JOSH the douche bag. People like you just doing what they want.


                                                          I Guess we all have to have PFAS compound in our blood stream because of Josh.s property rights.

                                                          FUKING CLOWN


                                                          Today, the family of compounds including Teflon, commonly called PFAS, is found not only in pots and pans but also in the blood of people around the world, including 99 percent of Americans. PFAS chemicals pollute water, do not break down, and remain in the environment and people for decades.
                                                          People like Josh have a Fox Business Channel understanding of the world. They can wax poetic about the capitalist fairy tale, basically regurgitating vague generic talking points, but when you actually bring up real world examples like PFAS, their entire world view comes crashing down. And, no Josh the US government never said PFAS was safe. That's not how the EPA operates. They don't typically provide comment on chemical safety until it's in the environment, which is in contrast to most european models (precautionary principle) where manufactures have to provide at least some proof of their products safety prior to use.

                                                          Again, you need to talk less, and listen more, you're not half as smart as you think you are.
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                                                          • Greget
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                                                            #64
                                                            Originally posted by slewfan
                                                            Wikipedia has been proven to print false or mis information. It helps your ridiculous agenda of foolishness and lies.
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                                                            • Greget
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                                                              #65
                                                              Originally posted by guitarjosh
                                                              The people that are killing the host are the ones who consume more than they produce. You either put more into the country than you take out, or take out more than you put in. You have bought into this nonsense that the way to make the country better is to cater to the people in the minus column, and just give them other peoples' money to spend, not to get them to produce more so we all win. You're the one killing the host.
                                                              This statement is not only oversimplified, but also misguided. The reality of economic and social systems is much more complex and nuanced than this one-dimensional view. To suggest that individuals who receive aid in the form of social safety net programs or other forms of assistance are taking more from the country than they contribute is not an accurate reflection of the situation.

                                                              Many people who receive aid are in circumstances beyond their control, such as unemployment, illness, or disability. They are not choosing to take more than they contribute, but rather are in need of support to get back on their feet. Furthermore, investing in social safety nets and other forms of aid can have a positive impact on the economy and create a more equitable society for all members of the country. This form of wealth redistribution can help to stimulate the economy, reduce poverty and inequality, and ultimately benefit all members of society, not just those who are receiving aid.

                                                              To cast blame on one group and suggest that they are solely responsible for killing the host country ignores the complex interplay of economic, social and political factors that contribute to wealth disparity. A more nuanced and informed perspective is needed to effectively address these complex issues and create a more just and equitable society.

                                                              Further, "investors" do not directly contribute to economic productivity as they do not participate in the production of goods or services. Rather, their role is to provide capital to companies and businesses, enabling them to expand and increase their output. However, their investment decisions are primarily driven by financial returns, rather than by a desire to increase economic productivity. While their actions can contribute to the growth and success of individual companies, this does not necessarily translate into a broader increase in economic productivity. Furthermore, some investment practices, such as short-term speculation and market manipulation, can actually undermine the stability and efficiency of financial markets, potentially hindering economic growth. Overall, while stock pickers and investors play a crucial role in the functioning of financial markets, their impact on economic productivity is indirect and subject to a range of factors.
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                                                              • slewfan
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                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by Greget
                                                                This statement is not only oversimplified, but also misguided. The reality of economic and social systems is much more complex and nuanced than this one-dimensional view. To suggest that individuals who receive aid in the form of social safety net programs or other forms of assistance are taking more from the country than they contribute is not an accurate reflection of the situation.

                                                                Many people who receive aid are in circumstances beyond their control, such as unemployment, illness, or disability. They are not choosing to take more than they contribute, but rather are in need of support to get back on their feet. Furthermore, investing in social safety nets and other forms of aid can have a positive impact on the economy and create a more equitable society for all members of the country. This form of wealth redistribution can help to stimulate the economy, reduce poverty and inequality, and ultimately benefit all members of society, not just those who are receiving aid.

                                                                To cast blame on one group and suggest that they are solely responsible for killing the host country ignores the complex interplay of economic, social and political factors that contribute to wealth disparity. A more nuanced and informed perspective is needed to effectively address these complex issues and create a more just and equitable society.

                                                                Further, "investors" do not directly contribute to economic productivity as they do not participate in the production of goods or services. Rather, their role is to provide capital to companies and businesses, enabling them to expand and increase their output. However, their investment decisions are primarily driven by financial returns, rather than by a desire to increase economic productivity. While their actions can contribute to the growth and success of individual companies, this does not necessarily translate into a broader increase in economic productivity. Furthermore, some investment practices, such as short-term speculation and market manipulation, can actually undermine the stability and efficiency of financial markets, potentially hindering economic growth. Overall, while stock pickers and investors play a crucial role in the functioning of financial markets, their impact on economic productivity is indirect and subject to a range of factors.
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                                                                • guitarjosh
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 12-25-07
                                                                  • 5754

                                                                  #67
                                                                  Originally posted by Greget
                                                                  People like Josh have a Fox Business Channel understanding of the world. They can wax poetic about the capitalist fairy tale, basically regurgitating vague generic talking points, but when you actually bring up real world examples like PFAS, their entire world view comes crashing down. And, no Josh the US government never said PFAS was safe. That's not how the EPA operates. They don't typically provide comment on chemical safety until it's in the environment, which is in contrast to most european models (precautionary principle) where manufactures have to provide at least some proof of their products safety prior to use.

                                                                  Again, you need to talk less, and listen more, you're not half as smart as you think you are.
                                                                  I don't watch Fox business, it's either CNBC or Bloomberg for me.

                                                                  Here's the thing about PFAS, they're not allowed unless the FDA says they probably won't harm people. Let's see what the FDA has to say on this issue:
                                                                  The FDA has authorized specific PFAS for use in specific food contact applications. Some PFAS are used in cookware, food packaging, and in food processing for their non-stick and grease, oil, and water-resistant properties. To ensure food contact substances are safe for their intended use, the FDA conducts a rigorous review of scientific data prior to their authorization for market entry. The FDA’s authorization of a food contact substance requires that available data and information demonstrate that there is a reasonable certainty of no harm under the intended conditions of use.
                                                                  If you have a problem with PFAS, you should blame the government agencies which paved the way for their market entry.



                                                                  You're the one who needs to talk less and listen more, and for once, stop lying.


                                                                  Originally posted by Greget
                                                                  This statement is not only oversimplified, but also misguided. The reality of economic and social systems is much more complex and nuanced than this one-dimensional view. To suggest that individuals who receive aid in the form of social safety net programs or other forms of assistance are taking more from the country than they contribute is not an accurate reflection of the situation.

                                                                  Many people who receive aid are in circumstances beyond their control, such as unemployment, illness, or disability. They are not choosing to take more than they contribute, but rather are in need of support to get back on their feet. Furthermore, investing in social safety nets and other forms of aid can have a positive impact on the economy and create a more equitable society for all members of the country. This form of wealth redistribution can help to stimulate the economy, reduce poverty and inequality, and ultimately benefit all members of society, not just those who are receiving aid.

                                                                  Wow, 2 paragraphs and nothing but fluff and conjecture. Please get specific and explain how all members of society benefit through wealth redistribution. The democrats tried that in 2021 and we got the highest inflation in decades. What's better than wealth redistribution is wealth creation, which is what we as a country should be pushing for.

                                                                  To cast blame on one group and suggest that they are solely responsible for killing the host country ignores the complex interplay of economic, social and political factors that contribute to wealth disparity. A more nuanced and informed perspective is needed to effectively address these complex issues and create a more just and equitable society.That one group I'm blaming is the politicians, who either cater this so they and their party can get more power (the democrats) or have no idea how to fix the problems in the country and keep trying to solve everything through the solutions of the early 1980s (the republicans). BTW, Hicks is the one who originally claimed one group is guilty of killing the host country.

                                                                  Further, "investors" do not directly contribute to economic productivity as they do not participate in the production of goods or services. Rather, their role is to provide capital to companies and businesses, enabling them to expand and increase their output. However, their investment decisions are primarily driven by financial returns, rather than by a desire to increase economic productivity. While their actions can contribute to the growth and success of individual companies, this does not necessarily translate into a broader increase in economic productivity. Furthermore, some investment practices, such as short-term speculation and market manipulation, can actually undermine the stability and efficiency of financial markets, potentially hindering economic growth. Overall, while stock pickers and investors play a crucial role in the functioning of financial markets, their impact on economic productivity is indirect and subject to a range of factors.
                                                                  Pretty much everyone's decisions are primarily driven through financial returns. Most people hate their jobs, but do it anyway because it's better than begging. They don't get a job to increase economic productivity. Here's the thing, investors' impact is huge if they're good. Most pension plans invest, and it's a good thing because it allows people to have money and spend even when they're too old or invalid to produce. Like I wrote before, if investors didn't have discernment and just gave money to anyone who could fog a mirror, we would have 2008 all over again. If they didn't exist, the only entities who could own property would be the very wealth.
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                                                                  • khicks26
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 09-16-06
                                                                    • 45452

                                                                    #68
                                                                    Originally posted by guitarjosh
                                                                    We have that because the government regulators said they were ok. Blame them.
                                                                    I'm not looking for a definition, what kind of property are you talking about. LOL


                                                                    I'm not talking about small business. What are you stupid? What is the No.1 goal of all corporations above all? Make profit, not what is good for people.


                                                                    Anecdotal, strawman, garbage isn't helping you. LOL


                                                                    Josh you consume more than you produce, you produce nothing. LOL Well you did produce a strawman if you want to count that. LOL


                                                                    How about nobody fails on purpose.


                                                                    I would say putting toxins in the water is harmful.


                                                                    I told you, the government is controlled by the rich and corporations. Only a person who doesn't want to see it would say what you say.


                                                                    Dude the only person you are BS'ing is yourself. But then everything is about you anyway. lol
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                                                                    • khicks26
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 09-16-06
                                                                      • 45452

                                                                      #69
                                                                      Originally posted by Greget
                                                                      People like Josh have a Fox Business Channel understanding of the world. They can wax poetic about the capitalist fairy tale, basically regurgitating vague generic talking points, but when you actually bring up real world examples like PFAS, their entire world view comes crashing down. And, no Josh the US government never said PFAS was safe. That's not how the EPA operates. They don't typically provide comment on chemical safety until it's in the environment, which is in contrast to most european models (precautionary principle) where manufactures have to provide at least some proof of their products safety prior to use.

                                                                      Again, you need to talk less, and listen more, you're not half as smart as you think you are.
                                                                      Yes I could tell by the end of his reply that he was losing his shit. LMAO


                                                                      Fuk dude, Josh went to Fox Business School. LOL Tell him we waste more food than the world can consume and he starts talking about mold on strawberry's, WTF is that? If that doesn't sound like Stuart Varney I don't know what does.
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                                                                      • khicks26
                                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                                        • 09-16-06
                                                                        • 45452

                                                                        #70
                                                                        Originally posted by guitarjosh
                                                                        I don't watch Fox business, it's either CNBC or Bloomberg for me.

                                                                        Here's the thing about PFAS, they're not allowed unless the FDA says they probably won't harm people. Let's see what the FDA has to say on this issue:If you have a problem with PFAS, you should blame the government agencies which paved the way for their market entry.



                                                                        You're the one who needs to talk less and listen more, and for once, stop lying.




                                                                        Pretty much everyone's decisions are primarily driven through financial returns. Most people hate their jobs, but do it anyway because it's better than begging. They don't get a job to increase economic productivity. Here's the thing, investors' impact is huge if they're good. Most pension plans invest, and it's a good thing because it allows people to have money and spend even when they're too old or invalid to produce. Like I wrote before, if investors didn't have discernment and just gave money to anyone who could fog a mirror, we would have 2008 all over again. If they didn't exist, the only entities who could own property would be the very wealth.
                                                                        LMAO you couldn't have contradicted yourself any better than if I wrote this post for you. Fuking Fraud Clown.
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