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    Trump's miracle drug.

    to be totally honest I have not given much thought to Trump and this drug because well how much credibility does he have. right.

    so for the past two hours I spent some time researching this issue. here are my conclusions and you can differ and argue but my conclusions are based on the recommendations from the New England Medical Journal. What you need to ask yourself is who do you trust. Is the NEMJ in on some type of fix. Do all those professionals and doctors want to see people die like mr gates? how about that stat, a huge number of crazies think he is involved with this pandemic.

    the bottom line is in the first paragraph last sentence. these people did the actual work and they say: we do not support the use of this drug. do you think Trump has super powers and his opinions are more valid than the professionals. hmm. Remember this is the guy that also wanted to inject poisons. He is also the guy who thinks our planes are invisible. His track record is pretty shitty, I don't care if you like him or hate him, his lies and BS are documented.

    here is another bottom line. I hope the FCKIN drug works. I know it won't but I pray it will. unlike some of you far right assholes who hope every single progressive idea fails (btw how is that working out) I hope and pray for my country and for the world that it works, or something finally works.

    I have no problem writing/saying hey he was right for once. I want him to be right. I would gladly give up and lose a discussion if that means hundreds of thousands of people live and don't suffer. WTF do I care about an argument in a politics section with idiots who are placing full trust on a con man who has no medical knowledge and BS and lies every second.

    last point, tell me why these idiots will wager even a tiny bit of credibility on D Trump. seriously they know he lies, they know he is a phony, they know he knows nothing about medicine. why go out on a limb with this issue. are you retarded. I and most people know you are truly stupid, I and others prove that almost daily. But, are you retarded? that is much different than stupid. Dwightieanne is retarded there is not doubt about that. Maybe, the rest of you are just ordinary stupid. but, an adult who can't make change--well convince me he isn't retarded.





    Discussion

    In this analysis involving a large sample of consecutive patients who had been hospitalized with Covid-19, the risk of intubation or death was not significantly higher or lower among patients who received hydroxychloroquine than among those who did not (hazard ratio, 1.04; 95% CI, 0.82 to 1.32). Given the observational design and the relatively wide confidence interval, the study should not be taken to rule out either benefit or harm of hydroxychloroquine treatment. However, our findings do not support the use of hydroxychloroquine at present, outside randomized clinical trials testing its efficacy.
    As we noted in the introduction, the findings from an early study showing a benefit of hydroxychloroquine in 26 patients who had been treated in French hospitals are difficult to interpret, given the small size of that study, the lack of a randomized control group, and the omission of 6 patients from the analysis.6 A clinical trial testing two doses of chloroquine in patients with Covid-19 planned to include 440 patients but was halted after 81 patients had been enrolled because of excessive QTc prolongation and an indication of higher mortality in the high-dose group (in which patients received 600 ** twice daily for 10 days) than in the low-dose group (in which patients received 450 ** daily for 4 days after an initial dose of 450 ** administered twice on the first day).12
    Two small, randomized trials from China have been reported. Physicians in Wuhan randomly assigned 62 patients with mild illness to either the control group (in which patients could receive supplemental oxygen, unspecified antiviral agents, antibiotic agents, and immune globulin, with or without glucocorticoids) or the experimental group (in which patients also received 400 ** of hydroxychloroquine daily). This report has not yet been fully peer-reviewed, but results were posted to the MedRxiv website for public comment.13 Investigators reported a faster mean time to clinical recovery (resolution of fever and cough and improvement on chest radiography) in the experimental group than in the control group. Four patients (all in the control group) had progression to severe infection. A small, randomized trial involving 30 patients in Shanghai reported on outcomes in patients treated with 400 ** of hydroxychloroquine daily for 5 days, as compared with a control group in which patients received “conventional treatment only.”14 This trial showed that by day 7, a total of 86% of the patients in the hydroxychloroquine-treated group and 93% of those in the control group had negative results on viral throat swabs. All the patients in this trial also received aerosolized interferon alfa by nebulizer.
    A randomized clinical trial is the best approach to determine whether benefit can be ascribed to any given therapeutic intervention because this trial design minimizes the two major problems inherent in observational studies: unmeasured confounding and bias. With the analytic approaches we used in this examination of our observational cohort, we have tried to minimize possible confounding in a variety of ways.
    In the main analysis, a multivariable regression model with inverse probability weighting according to the propensity score, there was no significant association between hydroxychloroquine use and the risk of intubation or death. We also performed a series of analyses using several propensity-score approaches. Findings were similar in multiple sensitivity analyses. The consistency of the results across these analyses is reassuring. In our analysis, we adjusted for likely confounders, including age, race and ethnic group, body-mass index, diabetes, underlying kidney disease, chronic lung disease, hypertension, baseline vital signs, Pao2:Fio2, and inflammatory markers of the severity of illness. Despite this extensive adjustment, it is still possible that some amount of unmeasured confounding remains. Additional limitations of our study include missing data for some variables and potential for inaccuracies in the electronic health records, such as lack of documentation of smoking and coexisting illness for some patients. Nonetheless, we used contemporary methods to deal with missing data to minimize bias. Finally, the single-center design may limit the generalizability of these results.
    Clinical guidance at our medical center has been updated to remove the suggestion that patients with Covid-19 be treated with hydroxychloroquine. In our analysis involving a large sample of consecutive patients who had been hospitalized with Covid-19, hydroxychloroquine use was not associated with a significantly higher or lower risk of intubation or death (hazard ratio, 1.04; 95% CI, 0.82 to 1.32). The study results should not be taken to rule out either benefit or harm of hydroxychloroquine treatment, given the observational design and the 95% confidence interval, but the results do not support the use of hydroxychloroquine at present, outside randomized clinical trials testing its efficacy.



    Oh, one more issue. I am assuming most or all of you know this drug has or had become scarce because Trump pushed it. So obviously these people who bought it used it. are there any doctors/hospitals reporting miracles? hmmm, how long has Trump been pushing it? by now you might think doctors/hospitals would be reporting a ton of success. anything?? even anecdotal evidence I would find interesting.

    and incidentally no way in one billion years is Trump taking that drug. why because he is a liar and he knows he is BS. you think that yellow bastard would take a chance on something he knows is a lie. he is too yellow, too corrupt and just too fckin much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dante1 View Post
    to be totally honest I have not given much thought to Trump and this drug because well how much credibility does he have. right.

    so for the past two hours I spent some time researching this issue. here are my conclusions and you can differ and argue but my conclusions are based on the recommendations from the New England Medical Journal. What you need to ask yourself is who do you trust. Is the NEMJ in on some type of fix. Do all those professionals and doctors want to see people die like mr gates? how about that stat, a huge number of crazies think he is involved with this pandemic.

    the bottom line is in the first paragraph last sentence. these people did the actual work and they say: we do not support the use of this drug. do you think Trump has super powers and his opinions are more valid than the professionals. hmm. Remember this is the guy that also wanted to inject poisons. He is also the guy who thinks our planes are invisible. His track record is pretty shitty, I don't care if you like him or hate him, his lies and BS are documented.

    here is another bottom line. I hope the FCKIN drug works. I know it won't but I pray it will. unlike some of you far right assholes who hope every single progressive idea fails (btw how is that working out) I hope and pray for my country and for the world that it works, or something finally works.

    I have no problem writing/saying hey he was right for once. I want him to be right. I would gladly give up and lose a discussion if that means hundreds of thousands of people live and don't suffer. WTF do I care about an argument in a politics section with idiots who are placing full trust on a con man who has no medical knowledge and BS and lies every second.

    last point, tell me why these idiots will wager even a tiny bit of credibility on D Trump. seriously they know he lies, they know he is a phony, they know he knows nothing about medicine. why go out on a limb with this issue. are you retarded. I and most people know you are truly stupid, I and others prove that almost daily. But, are you retarded? that is much different than stupid. Dwightieanne is retarded there is not doubt about that. Maybe, the rest of you are just ordinary stupid. but, an adult who can't make change--well convince me he isn't retarded.





    Discussion

    In this analysis involving a large sample of consecutive patients who had been hospitalized with Covid-19, the risk of intubation or death was not significantly higher or lower among patients who received hydroxychloroquine than among those who did not (hazard ratio, 1.04; 95% CI, 0.82 to 1.32). Given the observational design and the relatively wide confidence interval, the study should not be taken to rule out either benefit or harm of hydroxychloroquine treatment. However, our findings do not support the use of hydroxychloroquine at present, outside randomized clinical trials testing its efficacy.
    As we noted in the introduction, the findings from an early study showing a benefit of hydroxychloroquine in 26 patients who had been treated in French hospitals are difficult to interpret, given the small size of that study, the lack of a randomized control group, and the omission of 6 patients from the analysis.6 A clinical trial testing two doses of chloroquine in patients with Covid-19 planned to include 440 patients but was halted after 81 patients had been enrolled because of excessive QTc prolongation and an indication of higher mortality in the high-dose group (in which patients received 600 ** twice daily for 10 days) than in the low-dose group (in which patients received 450 ** daily for 4 days after an initial dose of 450 ** administered twice on the first day).12
    Two small, randomized trials from China have been reported. Physicians in Wuhan randomly assigned 62 patients with mild illness to either the control group (in which patients could receive supplemental oxygen, unspecified antiviral agents, antibiotic agents, and immune globulin, with or without glucocorticoids) or the experimental group (in which patients also received 400 ** of hydroxychloroquine daily). This report has not yet been fully peer-reviewed, but results were posted to the MedRxiv website for public comment.13 Investigators reported a faster mean time to clinical recovery (resolution of fever and cough and improvement on chest radiography) in the experimental group than in the control group. Four patients (all in the control group) had progression to severe infection. A small, randomized trial involving 30 patients in Shanghai reported on outcomes in patients treated with 400 ** of hydroxychloroquine daily for 5 days, as compared with a control group in which patients received “conventional treatment only.”14 This trial showed that by day 7, a total of 86% of the patients in the hydroxychloroquine-treated group and 93% of those in the control group had negative results on viral throat swabs. All the patients in this trial also received aerosolized interferon alfa by nebulizer.
    A randomized clinical trial is the best approach to determine whether benefit can be ascribed to any given therapeutic intervention because this trial design minimizes the two major problems inherent in observational studies: unmeasured confounding and bias. With the analytic approaches we used in this examination of our observational cohort, we have tried to minimize possible confounding in a variety of ways.
    In the main analysis, a multivariable regression model with inverse probability weighting according to the propensity score, there was no significant association between hydroxychloroquine use and the risk of intubation or death. We also performed a series of analyses using several propensity-score approaches. Findings were similar in multiple sensitivity analyses. The consistency of the results across these analyses is reassuring. In our analysis, we adjusted for likely confounders, including age, race and ethnic group, body-mass index, diabetes, underlying kidney disease, chronic lung disease, hypertension, baseline vital signs, Pao2:Fio2, and inflammatory markers of the severity of illness. Despite this extensive adjustment, it is still possible that some amount of unmeasured confounding remains. Additional limitations of our study include missing data for some variables and potential for inaccuracies in the electronic health records, such as lack of documentation of smoking and coexisting illness for some patients. Nonetheless, we used contemporary methods to deal with missing data to minimize bias. Finally, the single-center design may limit the generalizability of these results.
    Clinical guidance at our medical center has been updated to remove the suggestion that patients with Covid-19 be treated with hydroxychloroquine. In our analysis involving a large sample of consecutive patients who had been hospitalized with Covid-19, hydroxychloroquine use was not associated with a significantly higher or lower risk of intubation or death (hazard ratio, 1.04; 95% CI, 0.82 to 1.32). The study results should not be taken to rule out either benefit or harm of hydroxychloroquine treatment, given the observational design and the 95% confidence interval, but the results do not support the use of hydroxychloroquine at present, outside randomized clinical trials testing its efficacy.
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    Oh, one more issue.
    I am assuming most or all of you know this drug has or had become scarce because Trump pushed it. So obviously these people who bought it used it. are there any doctors/hospitals reporting miracles? hmmm, how long has Trump been pushing it? by now you might think doctors/hospitals would be reporting a ton of success. anything?? even anecdotal evidence I would find interesting.

    and incidentally no way in one billion years is Trump taking that drug. why because he is a liar and he knows he is BS. you think that yellow bastard would take a chance on something he knows is a lie. he is too yellow, too corrupt and just too fckin much.

    And there it is!

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    It's a game changer that has lined the pockets of Drumpf & his swamp creatures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mezmurized2 View Post
    And there it is!
    pretty simple. my curiosity is how adults who absolutely know Trump is a liar and a BS artist find it necessary to defend this drug, to stake the tiny bit of credibility they might have on a very long shot. it makes no sense. but their arguments usually make no sense.

    just a couple. the trade deal with China cost us billions, was it billions. the climate change BS now proven 100% to be man made and real and proven via a pandemic and recession and not the first time a recession has greatly improved climate change problems and pollution.

    so many more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafted69 View Post
    It's a game changer that has lined the pockets of Drumpf & his swamp creatures.


    is it just stupidity or am I missing something. do they have a different brain structure. how do you miss a con artist pushing something that is a huge long shot. It baffles me, stupid or not stupid is not the issue. the issue is common sense and science. dear jesus these people.

    and I am cheering that they will be correct, how about that. I know it won't happen but I hope and pray it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafted69 View Post
    It's a game changer that has lined the pockets of Drumpf & his swamp creatures.
    Cmon man you are playing games with words according to Dwight and maltihag as well as JT. The three stooges of SBR said when Trump said "game changer" he was talking about a completly different thing. I said this was junk science right from the start cause the guy is the biggest con man on the planet. Originally i got lure into thinking he was making big money on the thing but found out this wasn't true (in his portfolio). I took my beaten but vowed i would get to the bottom of it than found it was about money after all and it was a huge donor of his pushing this shit. Jt found a democrat who said it saved her life so this somehow validates this junk. Let it do with what it is for and than you can call it a game change in life. I can just imagine what this dumb dik said the two post before me. Prolly a lying meme or some other dumb shit. He is trying tho LMFAO.

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    Greg Gutfeld!! Lmao. That guy is such a dooooooossshhh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor4140 View Post
    Cmon man you are playing games with words according to Dwight and maltihag as well as JT. The three stooges of SBR said when Trump said "game changer" he was talking about a completly different thing. I said this was junk science right from the start cause the guy is the biggest con man on the planet. Originally i got lure into thinking he was making big money on the thing but found out this wasn't true (in his portfolio). I took my beaten but vowed i would get to the bottom of it than found it was about money after all and it was a huge donor of his pushing this shit. Jt found a democrat who said it saved her life so this somehow validates this junk. Let it do with what it is for and than you can call it a game change in life. I can just imagine what this dumb dik said the two post before me. Prolly a lying meme or some other dumb shit. He is trying tho LMFAO.


    I call him the dumbest creature on the planet. but, I think I might be mistaken, I think that poor creature is probably retarded. and that is not a nice word but it is a descriptive word of what he is. call it whatever you want, make it a nice sounding name but the bottom line is he is retarded.

    it is completely impossible to be in the year 2020 and an adult and not able to make change. come on, you must be retarded. but, even more if he can't make change how many other common simple adult chores/duties/ can he not do. how low are his true abilities? I have attempted a hundred times or more to get him to answer simple questions, questions a child can answer correctly. In fact, just today I did an experiment with a 4th grade child. I asked him what is the quotient of this group of numbers. I swear on my kids this is what happend. I gave him the number group 2,3,6 and asked him of those three numbers what numbers must be the quotient. He answered in 20 seconds. Dwightie had no clue.

    if I asked him to count to 40 by twos could he do it. probably not, how about count to 40 by fours absolutely not. this poor creature who has nothing to do but lie and BS on this forum is retarded. if a kid with such low abilities came into my classroom I would notice it in less than a week and I would recommend special education for him and have on a few occasions. but not one of those kids was as stupid as dwightieanne.

    I believe he never finished any type of schooling and if he was ever enrolled in school he was in a class called "trainable" meaning like a dog he can learn new tricks. but that is about it. that might explain why he cannot do simple math, or know common knowledge almost all of us know. he was trained to tie his shoes and open a door and eat lunch. my heart breaks for him often, but he is also a flaming asshole.
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    42000 doses are given on any given day


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    LOL---
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    Quote Originally Posted by mezmurized2 View Post
    LOL---
    that is funny. but, I would wager my 1000 to your dollar trump does not take that med. no way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DwightShrute View Post
    42000 doses are given on any given day

    what does 42,000 doses mean, express that in a different form for us. do you even know what I mean? must I explain???

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    and what relevance does 42,000 doses have? as I have maintained this creature has no ability to understand relevance, logic, common sense, science, simple math, or anything.

    how is 42,000 doses relevant to anything at all? he is retarded

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    and BTW, he is working on a triple shift today. He has put in over 13 to 14 hours already. after most of us BS for an hour or two we are exhausted. I get bored and must take a break, not this creature he can post BS for two shifts straight through.

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    The drug has been around since Trump was around 7 years old and in 2020 someone makes a thread titled "Trump's Miracle Drug"

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    Quote Originally Posted by dante1 View Post
    and BTW, he is working on a triple shift today. He has put in over 13 to 14 hours already. after most of us BS for an hour or two we are exhausted. I get bored and must take a break, not this creature he can post BS for two shifts straight through.
    that is funny. Could you imagine if this dunderhead put as much effort into his life as he does trying to get us to believe his bullshit He would be difficult person to reckoned with. Unfortunately we got this lazy bum who's only life's goal is to try and change peoples minds in a country that he couldn't cut it in.

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    This message is hidden because DwightShrute, on his third shift of the day, is on your ignore list.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor4140 View Post
    You forgot Big Mac's, Fish Sandwiches, Fries and a healthy dose of Diet Coke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DwightShrute View Post
    The drug has been around since Trump was around 7 years old and in 2020 someone makes a thread titled "Trump's Miracle Drug"
    and what is the relevance of this comment. what does how long the drug has been around have to do with this comment. yeah we know it is not a new drug, but trump is telling the world it can fix this virus, thus a miracle drug. thus "Trump's miracle drug". very logical and you can't follow.

    do you see why you are retarded? hmmm, you have no understanding of simple logic. that is why you asked me to prove a negative. that is why you believe Trump and all his BS. you are unable to take a fact and extrapolate that fact into other possible/probable future facts. you are unable to think and reason like a normal human being. that is the reason you can't make change. your brain doesn't get the connection.

    thus this above comment. you poor creature you prove my conclusions about you almost daily.
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    this above may also be one of the main reasons the crazies love Trump. they have no ability to reason logically, they are unable to connect actual facts and predict future possibilities. therefore they buy into crazy conspiracy theories. how about 40 some percent of R believe, actually believe B Gates is responsible for this virus and pandemic.


    do you believe that is normal thinking. what group of people or subset of people buy into completely insane conspiracy theories. that is mostly the crazies. the anti vaccine people how about those crazy people. it has been scientifically proven vaccines do not cause autism. they don't believe it, but they do believe Trump. now take your normal logic that most of you have and explain that. It can't be explained except for their brain is not normal. In some cases their brain is "abby normal" remember that one. lol

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    Costa Rica has been using this drug rather successfully to treat COVID.

    https://qcostarica.com/hydroxychloro...ight-covid-19/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor4140 View Post
    Cmon man you are playing games with words according to Dwight and maltihag as well as JT. The three stooges of SBR said when Trump said "game changer" he was talking about a completly different thing. I said this was junk science right from the start cause the guy is the biggest con man on the planet. Originally i got lure into thinking he was making big money on the thing but found out this wasn't true (in his portfolio). I took my beaten but vowed i would get to the bottom of it than found it was about money after all and it was a huge donor of his pushing this shit. Jt found a democrat who said it saved her life so this somehow validates this junk. Let it do with what it is for and than you can call it a game change in life. I can just imagine what this dumb dik said the two post before me. Prolly a lying meme or some other dumb shit. He is trying tho LMFAO.

    Keep putting game changer in quotes you clueless cuck . Add Shafted to the list .

    Shocking . Lol !

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    You can always expect bullshit articles and slanted truth from a danteZero post.

    These tests that they ran, the ones they are talking about in other countries, where they get their numbers from..???..

    These test were run on people who were old, sick and suffered from other illnesses. It is such bull crap that you would expect some like 'Zero' to post it. Because the leftist say it is true, he believes it. This is fact.!

    You think you know what you are talking about zero, but you are just as fake as your sources.. Imbecile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slewfan View Post
    You can always expect bullshit articles and slanted truth from a danteZero post.

    These tests that they ran, the ones they are talking about in other countries, where they get their numbers from..???..

    These test were run on people who were old, sick and suffered from other illnesses. It is such bull crap that you would expect some like 'Zero' to post it. Because the leftist say it is true, he believes it. This is fact.!

    You think you know what you are talking about zero, but you are just as fake as your sources.. Imbecile.
    I can live with bullshit articles and slanted truth from a danteZero post as long as the thread title says, "Trump's Miracle Drug."


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    Quote Originally Posted by slewfan View Post
    You can always expect bullshit articles and slanted truth from a danteZero post.

    These tests that they ran, the ones they are talking about in other countries, where they get their numbers from..???..

    These test were run on people who were old, sick and suffered from other illnesses. It is such bull crap that you would expect some like 'Zero' to post it. Because the leftist say it is true, he believes it. This is fact.!

    You think you know what you are talking about zero, but you are just as fake as your sources.. Imbecile.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...numbers-259524

    Donald Trump on Thursday said testing for coronavirus might be “overrated,” revisiting his concern early in the outbreak that testing for the disease would raise the nation’s case count.




    No shit sherlock!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chilidog View Post
    Costa Rica has been using this drug rather successfully to treat COVID.

    https://qcostarica.com/hydroxychloro...ight-covid-19/
    Costa Rica, Brazil, France, Australia, trial just started at Oxford - pretty much all over the world - but they don’t fit into the Leftist agenda here in America - and you certainly can’t create a stupid pointless thread citing one failed trial with people on their deathbed and call it “Trump’s Miracle Drug” either.....

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    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...id-19-n1212886


    here again is the study you clowns claimed was the same study done with extremely ill people. wrong again, this was the brand new study just released yesterday I believe, a study involving tens of thousands of people world wide.

    whenever you clowns type/talk we can almost be sure in some way it will be fcked up. you have no credibility mr malted man and you too JT, not because you are dishonest. no more stupidity with you.
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    Hydroxychloroquine does not help COVID-19 patients, and indeed may increase deaths, according to a large, international study published Friday in The Lancet.


    the lancet, look it up.

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    PUBLISHED FRIDAY--MAY 23RD. Thus, again and again your BS concerning this study is the same study as no...it is a brand new study. and you clowns insisted I was wrong. called me an idiot, lol.

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    137% increased risk of serious heart arrhythmia.

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