is it poor etiquette to not throw in for the bubble

**daneblazer** · 08-05-12, 06:29 PM

Perfectly fine. It's got to end somewhere. Are we going to refund the guys buy that was 2nd from the bubble? How about 3rd? or the guy who busted out first? I don't think there's anything wrong with refusing.

**BeerDog99** · 08-05-12, 06:58 PM

If its not too much money, I would chip in.

**downsouth** · 08-05-12, 07:00 PM

If it was a casino/poker room I was a regular at then I would always be willing to toss a little in. If I was in a vegas tourney or somewhere just playing once or for a weekend then I would not care. I generally would say yes but no problem if somebody didnt wanna do it.

**thetrinity** · 08-05-12, 07:55 PM

i did think it was wrong in this case because its a small room with a lot of regular and friendly players, almost like a glorified home game. seemed sorta like a dick type move to me, it was only 10 bucks and he had a large stack anyways and was almost sure to not bubble. he was very talkative with many of the employees and obviously was there quite often.

**downsouth** · 08-05-12, 07:59 PM

Kinda cheap in my opinion and if I was a regular there then again of course I would do it. My guess would be somebody did it to him at some point and he bubbled and got nothing so he is proving point but oh well.

**Kaabee** · 08-05-12, 08:01 PM

all you do is move the bubble 1 spot.

**daneblazer** · 08-05-12, 08:10 PM

Here's a scenario for you...

You're playing on Poker Pro tables at a casino (electronic poker tables like in Cherokee, NC). Someone accidentally ships preflop and announces it to the table. You have been card dead and are stuck and look down at AA. What do you do?

**BeerDog99** · 08-05-12, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by daneblazer

Here's a scenario for you...

You're playing on Poker Pro tables at a casino (electronic poker tables like in Cherokee, NC). Someone accidentally ships preflop and announces it to the table. You have been card dead and are stuck and look down at AA. What do you do?

oh that is gross.....

**lunchbawks** · 08-05-12, 09:20 PM

so what does the bubble boy go around asking for sympathy??

how does this process work?

**ttwarrior1** · 08-05-12, 09:52 PM

bubble is bubble for a reason, **** the bubble boy

**Halstad** · 08-06-12, 01:11 AM

I rarely play live or tournaments, but I wouldn't want to put in for the bubble. In the few times I've played live I'm the guy that won't chop the blinds either.

**Jimmy Proffett** · 08-06-12, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by daneblazer

Perfectly fine. It's got to end somewhere. Are we going to refund the guys buy that was 2nd from the bubble? How about 3rd? or the guy who busted out first? I don't think there's anything wrong with refusing.

Originally posted by ttwarrior1

bubble is bubble for a reason, **** the bubble boy

+1.

**thetrinity** · 08-06-12, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by daneblazer

Here's a scenario for you...

You're playing on Poker Pro tables at a casino (electronic poker tables like in Cherokee, NC). Someone accidentally ships preflop and announces it to the table. You have been card dead and are stuck and look down at AA. What do you do?

never played on one of those tables but u call obviously. how do u know your not being angled?

**thetrinity** · 08-06-12, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by lunchbawks

so what does the bubble boy go around asking for sympathy??

how does this process work?

usually a group thing and its done in 5 seconds and only in tournaments that are at the final table.

anyways, when it was 9 handed another guy asked if they wanted to pay 7th and i said wait til we get to 7 then talk about it, because i didnt want it to get out of hand. some games no one says anything and nothing happens. this is the first time it was ever brought up that i saw it denied though for such a small amount.

**borednaz** · 08-06-12, 02:43 PM

It was a dick move, but if it bothered me I would of just chipped in $20 instead of 10. I mean come on $20 doesn't buy crap anymore. As to DB's question, you call. Blinds are still in play, is everyone just supposed to fold & give him free money because he made a mistake?

**daneblazer** · 08-06-12, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by daneblazer

Here's a scenario for you...

You're playing on Poker Pro tables at a casino (electronic poker tables like in Cherokee, NC). Someone accidentally ships preflop and announces it to the table. You have been card dead and are stuck and look down at AA. What do you do?

My thought is that if you're a reg and another reg accidentally shoved, then fold. If I'm just in town for a few days or if I'm a reg and the guy is a douche or tourist I call. Blinds are only $3. At Cherokee you can buy in for around $500 so it's a very deep 1/2 game. If he's a reg and he's angling...well..so be it...that's going to give him a bad rep in the community in the long run. ...and yes, that can be important.

This has actually come up a few times, which is why I brought it up. One time someone accidentally went all-in, some guy said "aw man, I gots me too good a hand" and called with jacks then someone behind him went all in with aces...then proceeded to refund the guy who accidentally went all in his money back.

**yisman** · 08-06-12, 03:39 PM

dane, how would you know if he's angling?

**daneblazer** · 08-06-12, 04:54 PM

Its a judgement call. Does it matter if he is angling? You do have aces. If he's angling with AA himself, it's a literal flip and you're losing in the long run w/ the rake unless some other player makes a bad move and comes in with worse behind you. He could be, but probably isn't angling with worse.

If someone shoves as an angle and says "Oh shit, I meant to fold guys" and he's a reg...meaning he has to look at the other regs on a daily basis, then it's a sleazy move and he's going to have a mark on him. That's only going to work once and it will get called out if he ever does it again. There's more benefits of being in a circle of regulars and/or good players than being marked as a dirty player by them.

That's why I think if I don't play there often or if the player is an unknown who doesn't play there often, it's more acceptable to call. It's still an etiquette call on your part though. If I like the guy and believe he's genuine in that he made a mistake by pressing the wrong button(s), I wouldn't feel too bad about folding.

**MidnightToker** · 08-07-12, 07:27 AM

Paying the bubble boy is retarded. The prize schedule has already been established and agreed to when you bought in. If you're going to condescend to paying the bubble, why not the guy before him?

Why not just **** all this poker already, give 10% of the buyin direct to the casino and then just go back home? Etiquette my ******* ass, it's just a loser begging for pity. Take your beats and move on.

**thetrinity** · 08-07-12, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by daneblazer

My thought is that if you're a reg and another reg accidentally shoved, then fold. If I'm just in town for a few days or if I'm a reg and the guy is a douche or tourist I call. Blinds are only $3. At Cherokee you can buy in for around $500 so it's a very deep 1/2 game. If he's a reg and he's angling...well..so be it...that's going to give him a bad rep in the community in the long run. ...and yes, that can be important.

This has actually come up a few times, which is why I brought it up. One time someone accidentally went all-in, some guy said "aw man, I gots me too good a hand" and called with jacks then someone behind him went all in with aces...then proceeded to refund the guy who accidentally went all in his money back.

a cash game is a different story. in a tournament, you have to call him if you get a hand. in a cash game i could see a scenario where the action is essentially ignored/refunded since no one would just shove all their chips in for the blinds preflop.

**yisman** · 08-07-12, 10:46 AM

paying the bubble does just move it one spot, but the situation where it would come in is if one less than the amount at the FT gets paid, so one person at the final table would get bubbled. Then I could see the request.

**thetrinity** · 08-07-12, 11:16 AM

yis, id say this happens at most tournaments in the pittsburgh area casinos, and my guess would be it happens at many other casinos where the bubble spot occurs anywhere on the final table (smaller rooms with many locals and smaller tournaments). occasionally youll see elaborate deals being made before the bubble happens, but usually people want to play it out and its simple and easy to give the bubble their money back or maybe a little over their buy in. ive seen a final table where i think we were paying 7 of the final table in a 300 dollar tournament and the chip leader suggested a full chop because he wanted to go out and get wasted. stuff like this is pretty rare, but you are more likely to see deals in tournaments with quicker structures.