ShogunRua, how would you play this tourney hand???

[TheCentaur]

The thing that made it complicated for me was the possibility of a Royal Flush bonus, so if I reraise all in and he folds there is no draw to it.

However, winning that pot basically guarantees me 1st or 2nd, or if I run terribly a 3rd

What would you have done Shogun? (WWSD)


***** Hand history (v1.2) ***** Hand ID 4403842 $0 + $10 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 20:15:00 17/07/2014 ET Table 'Table 55584', 10 seats max, Real money Seat 1 is the button.
Small Blind $300, Big Blind $600 Note: seat IDs range from 1 to 10
Seat 1 (playing) : AutoDonk, amount $8792, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 4 (playing) : spurginobili1, amount $9425, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 5 (playing) : HomerSimpson2, amount $802, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 6 (playing) : thecentaur, amount $9380, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 7 (playing) : mpaschal34, amount $2391, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 9 (playing) : snapperman2, amount $9710, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
spurginobili1: Small Blind ($300) HomerSimpson2: Big Blind ($600)
** Dealing Down Cards **
Dealt to thecentaur: [Td, Kd]
thecentaur: Raise [btn] ($1200)
mpaschal34: Fold
snapperman2: Call ($1200)
AutoDonk: Fold
spurginobili1: Fold
HomerSimpson2: Fold
** Dealing Flop **
Community cards: [Ad, Jd, 5c]
thecentaur: Check [btn] ($0)
snapperman2: Bet ($2125)
thecentaur: Call [btn] ($2125)
** Dealing Turn **
Community cards: [7s]
thecentaur: Check [btn] ($0)
snapperman2: Bet ($4367)
thecentaur: Call [btn] ($4367)
** Dealing River **
Community cards: [9s]
thecentaur: Check [btn] ($0)
snapperman2: Bet ($1968)
thecentaur: Fold [btn] ($0)
** End Round **
** Evaluate **
snapperman2: Muck ($0)
** Showdown **
Main pot $16584, Rake $0 Summary snapperman2: bet $9660, won $18552, net $8892, won $16584 from main pot


For the record, snapperman stated he had a set of aces, which I don't know if I believe considering he just called a minraise, but maybe players who are more familiar with him can weigh in on that.

[SharpAngles]

I'm not Shogunrua but check raise flop or check call flop then fold ugly turn are your only options. I hate the turn call. Are you playing to hit a bonus hand or to win the tourney?

[TheCentaur]

I'm not Shogunrua but check raise flop or check call flop then fold ugly turn are your only options. I hate the turn call. Are you playing to hit a bonus hand or to win the tourney?

I realize passively calling is a questionable way to play, but if the Q or diamond hits I win a big pot. Don't see how I can just fold the turn there, and pushing on the turn kills the RF draw if he folds, and check raising all in on turn doesn't achieve anything with no fold equity (at least I can fold the river and still have chips)

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

1. Your above poker hand and how you shoulda played it is NOT complicated

2. Why do you even consider going to a topless club? It's gotta be ALL NUDE for me or else it's a no-go... save for a select few clubs with 9's & 10's only (like Flashdancers, Rhino)

3. Let's you, me & hockey go to Sundowner sometime. We'll get Doggy, sin & miller to meet us there under the pretense we're gonna go to the nearby casino to play poker... BUT ... all we really want them there for is to treat us to some lappers w/ the girlies. I'm pretty sure this ruse would work.

[TheCentaur]

1. Your above poker hand and how you shoulda played it is NOT complicated

2. Why do you even consider going to a topless club? It's gotta be ALL NUDE for me or else it's a no-go... save for a select few clubs with 9's & 10's only (like Flashdancers, Rhino)

3. Let's you, me & hockey go to Sundowner sometime. We'll get Doggy, sin & miller to meet us there under the pretense we're gonna go to the nearby casino to play poker... BUT ... all we really want them there for is to treat us to some lappers w/ the girlies. I'm pretty sure this ruse would work.

Yeah Sundowners is fabulous

When you say it's not complicated are you saying I should have check raised all in on the flop?

Now that I think about it I believe I overestimated the significance of the draw to the 1500 Royal bonus

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Now that I think about it I believe I overestimated the significance of the draw to the 1500 Royal bonus

THIS ^^
For obvious reasons, it doesn't make sense for you to factor that in when playing this hand... you're too good a player to not know that.
Like SA said, you should concern yourself with winning the tourney.

I actually had a very simliar hand recently and bet flop, winning the hand right there. (I showed my 2 cards and RF draw)

Yeah Sundowners is fabulous

When you say it's not complicated are you saying I should have check raised all in on the flop?

Nope... I'm not risking going out there (w/sizeable amt of chips ya have) if I don't hit; your flop call is fine but you gotta fold to snapper's well-sized turn bet. No brainer.

Couldn't agree more w/SA that the turn call was not good.

[GUMMO77]

I agree with everyone else here that either A) shove after Snapper bets or B) if you do just call the flop you can't flat call the turn.

I'm assuming Shogun would shove or check raise all in on the flop. Obviously if he did, Sho would have hit the royal cause that's just how he rolls.

[Auto Donk]

I'm not Shogunrua but check raise flop or check call flop then fold ugly turn are your only options. I hate the turn call. Are you playing to hit a bonus hand or to win the tourney?

obviously, playing to win a bonus.......

[sinmiedo]

The thing that made it complicated for me was the possibility of a Royal Flush bonus, so if I reraise all in and he folds there is no draw to it.

However, winning that pot basically guarantees me 1st or 2nd, or if I run terribly a 3rd

What would you have done Shogun? (WWSD)







***** Hand history (v1.2) ***** Hand ID 4403842 $0 + $10 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 20:15:00 17/07/2014 ET Table 'Table 55584', 10 seats max, Real money Seat 1 is the button.
Small Blind $300, Big Blind $600 Note: seat IDs range from 1 to 10
Seat 1 (playing) : AutoDonk, amount $8792, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 4 (playing) : spurginobili1, amount $9425, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 5 (playing) : HomerSimpson2, amount $802, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 6 (playing) : thecentaur, amount $9380, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 7 (playing) : mpaschal34, amount $2391, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 9 (playing) : snapperman2, amount $9710, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
spurginobili1: Small Blind ($300) HomerSimpson2: Big Blind ($600)
** Dealing Down Cards **
Dealt to thecentaur: [Td, Kd]
thecentaur: Raise [btn] ($1200)
mpaschal34: Fold
snapperman2: Call ($1200)
AutoDonk: Fold
spurginobili1: Fold
HomerSimpson2: Fold
** Dealing Flop **
Community cards: [Ad, Jd, 5c]
thecentaur: Check [btn] ($0)
snapperman2: Bet ($2125)
thecentaur: Call [btn] ($2125)
** Dealing Turn **
Community cards: [7s]
thecentaur: Check [btn] ($0)
snapperman2: Bet ($4367)
thecentaur: Call [btn] ($4367)
** Dealing River **
Community cards: [9s]
thecentaur: Check [btn] ($0)
snapperman2: Bet ($1968)
thecentaur: Fold [btn] ($0)
** End Round **
** Evaluate **
snapperman2: Muck ($0)
** Showdown **
Main pot $16584, Rake $0 Summary snapperman2: bet $9660, won $18552, net $8892, won $16584 from main pot


For the record, snapperman stated he had a set of aces, which I don't know if I believe considering he just called a minraise, but maybe players who are more familiar with him can weigh in on that.

your story went like this.


Cent......... i have a hand i want to pot i ber
Snap........... me too i call
flop
cent .........i mist
Snap..........o, you mist i bet
cent,,,,,,,,,, maybe the next card, so many outs. i give more chips
turn
Cent.........omg. i mist again,
Snap........o, you mist again.......give me some more chips
cent..........so much invested that does not matter what the book said, i ll give you the chips, maybe i ll get Bites luck and hit
River
Cent .........Bite would have hit, but is me, and i m running bad, regardless what the book said.
Snap........ I read a book that says bet again
Cent...........fold..................whe re is the dam book.


i hope you do not get offended by this but poker hands are stories and you told the truth all along.
river

[TheCentaur]

Yeah

Basically I knew I was giving away that I had a draw to get a chance at a royal bonus or backdoor the winning hand. I admit now that even factoring in the bonus was a miscalculation. Had it been a straight flush draw I would have played it much differently

Any thoughts on if snapper was telling the truth about the set of aces?

[sinmiedo]

Yeah

Basically I knew I was giving away that I had a draw to get a chance at a royal bonus or backdoor the winning hand. I admit now that even factoring in the bonus was a miscalculation. Had it been a straight flush draw I would have played it much differently

Any thoughts on if snapper was telling the truth about the set of aces?

at best a pair.
i would have go all in the moment he bet the turn and put the onus on him since you have a monster draw

[Auto Donk]

Any thoughts on if snapper was telling the truth about the set of aces?

hell no he didn't have a set.... at best he had aces up

[daneblazer]

Any thoughts on if snapper was telling the truth about the set of aces?

Possible...bet on the turn is weird. Like he lost track of how much was in his stack. Usually when that happens, the player is either really bad or really nervous...so they're either bluffing or have a big hand. Wouldnt be the first time someone tried to trap with aces.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

49pts shipped in above post ^^
It really DOES pay to know a lil sumpthin sumpthin bout Catholic girls, Centy

Break a Catholic girl of all her religious hangups, you got yourself a hellcatting vixen with NO LIMITS

Least that's what tt told me once and I believe him...

[Chipup]

49pts shipped in above post ^^
It really DOES pay to know a lil sumpthin sumpthin bout Catholic girls, Centy

Break a Catholic girl of all her religious hangups, you got yourself a hellcatting vixen with NO LIMITS

Least that's what tt told me once and I believe him...

That all sounds like fun till your running from your past because the bitch didn't believe in condoms or abortions..

[downsouth]

Isn't the royal flush bonus no longer valid anyway?

[sinmiedo]

Isn't the royal flush bonus no longer valid anyway?

yES!!!!!!!!!!!, It only applied till the end of the world cup of football.

[TheCentaur]

yES!!!!!!!!!!!, It only applied till the end of the world cup of football.

Complete donk play by me on several different levels now

[Auto Donk]

Complete donk play by me on several different levels now

don't sweat it, centy.... I was programmed to win that trny no matter what you did.... I took all snapperman's chips he took from you, and would of taken from you myself had you not chased that stupid void royal......