SBR Makes Their $$$ Selling Candy Floss!!!

**David** · 06-12-06, 01:47 PM

How do I order a case?

**picantel** · 06-12-06, 01:54 PM

someone has been watching too much Harry Potter- besides me of course.

**Mudcat** · 06-12-06, 01:56 PM

"the little-known continent of Europe." - LOL!!

**isetcap** · 06-12-06, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Mudcat

"the little-known continent of Europe." - LOL!!

Don't get me started on Canada (more commonly referred to as Canadia by the people of North America who really matter)! Are you guys still speaking French up there. Goddamn appeasers.

**SBR_John** · 06-12-06, 03:13 PM

Thats some good stuff isetcap! I know SBR gets under the skin of other forums and low rated books so of course we will always attract a special agenda crowd. But its all good. We work hard and its a lot of fun. Books are so entrenched in the good ole boy system after 7 years they still cant figure out if they like us or not. Like I said, its a lot of fun.

**BuddyBear** · 06-12-06, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Thats some good stuff isetcap! I know SBR gets under the skin of other forums and low rated books so of course we will always attract a special agenda crowd. But its all good. We work hard and its a lot of fun. Books are so entrenched in the good ole boy system after 7 years they still cant figure out if they like us or not. Like I said, its a lot of fun.

So John, are we to believe that SBR who takes money from books is not influenced at all by any of this money?

**SBR_John** · 06-12-06, 03:25 PM

Buddy believe what you want. No its not and I'll tell you why.

SBR charges per signup to the books on SBR. We know we will get 50 funded a day, we dont care who they go to. We want them to go to the true best books. We dont make anymore sneaking some 2nd rate book up the ladder. We have developed a model that allows us to focus on the best list and the best ratings. Holly was A+ one day and C the next. We dont care, we still get 50 players a day they just dont go to Holly.

**Mudcat** · 06-12-06, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by isetcap

Are you guys still speaking French up there. Goddamn appeasers.

Non!

I mean, no.

**BuddyBear** · 06-12-06, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Buddy believe what you want. No its not and I'll tell you why.

SBR charges per signup to the books on SBR. We know we will get 50 funded a day, we dont care who they go to. We want them to go to the true best books. We dont make anymore sneaking some 2nd rate book up the ladder. We have developed a model that allows us to focus on the best list and the best ratings. Holly was A+ one day and C the next. We dont care, we still get 50 players a day they just dont go to Holly.

Okay...sure I know you guys are good guys and are committed to be as fair as possible but you are missing the big picture.

I'll tell you what, just answer this question and we'll put this issue to rest.

Is SBR dependent on money from sportsbooks? That is, if all your sponsors decided they couldn't afford to pay advertising fees or whatever could SBR still continue to exist in this form?

If you answer no, I will issue an immediate apology...but just be honest.

**SBR_John** · 06-12-06, 04:32 PM

OF course! Thats a stupid question. Do you think Standard n Poors or Moodys could stay in business if companies couldn't pay them to rate them??? Their repuation of rating companies is excellent even though they charge companies to rate them. If you think we are miss rating books on purpose then you really should make a stand and take your posting career to a better forum.

**isetcap** · 06-12-06, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Buddy believe what you want. No its not and I'll tell you why.

SBR charges per signup to the books on SBR. We know we will get 50 funded a day, we dont care who they go to. We want them to go to the true best books. We dont make anymore sneaking some 2nd rate book up the ladder. We have developed a model that allows us to focus on the best list and the best ratings. Holly was A+ one day and C the next. We dont care, we still get 50 players a day they just dont go to Holly.

I admire you for offering much more information than was necessary to deflect an unwarranted attack on SBR's character. Some people just like to create a situation when one simply doesn't exist.

Let me reiterate (since John has broken the seal here), that SBR makes its money from the performance of accounts that it sends to the various books it promotes. It would not hurt SBR financially in the slightest if they were to remove one book from the list and start promoting another. In fact, it would be more disconcerting if SBR was raising new banners on a regular basis because it would demonstrate that they are trying to direct their playership to new places without concern about the performance of the books whose banners they are circulating.

In the short term, SBR could make a killing by taking all of its A+ books off the board and promoting all the B+ books. SBR would still have all the revenue it currently has from its A+ book playership (just because you take the banners down doesn't mean it goes away), but it would also gain all the revenue from its players signing up at the new B+ banners.

It's obvious that John means what he says when he states that SBR's model is a long term approach.

**BuddyBear** · 06-12-06, 04:46 PM

i don't give a shit about all that....read my arguments very carefully....

Does the money SBR receives from books in any way influence their ratings? That's all i am asking. Nobody has yet to answer this in any way....

If you believe money has no influence on ratings then it stands to reason that you believe politicians who accept gifts are not impacted by them or lobbying groups who donate to a politicians have no influence on their agenda.....

It's a simple question, does the money from the books in any way shape or influence your decisions on the ratings?

**isetcap** · 06-12-06, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by BuddyBear

i don't give a shit about all that....read my arguments very carefully....

Does the money SBR receives from books in any way influence their ratings? That's all i am asking. Nobody has yet to answer this in any way....

If you believe money has no influence on ratings then it stands to reason that you believe politicians who accept gifts are not impacted by them or lobbying groups who donate to a politicians have no influence on their agenda.....

It's a simple question, does the money from the books in any way shape or influence your decisions on the ratings?

Reread my post and figure it out on your own if you're capable. I can't believe John is wasting his time with your nonsense.

Like so many other things you rant about; you think you understand everything about the system when in fact your are severely underinformed. The information you are lacking has been presented multiple times but you refuse to accept it because you think you already have all the facts.

**MrX** · 06-12-06, 04:51 PM

I was under the impression that SBR and other watchdogs received better incentives for signups from some books than others. Is this not true?

**BuddyBear** · 06-12-06, 04:52 PM

Just answer the question Isetcap....do you believe that money from sportsbooks influences their ratings. It's either a yes or a no....why are you scared to answer it.

**isetcap** · 06-12-06, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by BuddyBear

Just answer the question Isetcap....do you believe that money from sportsbooks influences their ratings. It's either a yes or a no....why are you scared to answer it.

I am not afraid to answer it. I am very confident that SBR's ratings are not influenced by money.

No is your answer.

**BuddyBear** · 06-12-06, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by isetcap

I am not afraid to answer it. I am very confident that SBR's ratings are not influenced by money.

No is your answer.

But other groups who rate books may be influenced by money but not SBR is basically what you are saying.....believe as you wish, even you said VIP is not an A+ book but b/c you don't like me, all of a sudden you are singing a new tune. I use to think you were a sensible one on here.

Isetcap, I am also sorry to be the one to tell you this but Santa Claus is not real. It was your parents who put those presents under the tree. And when you put a tooth under your pillow, it was really your parents also

....not the tooth fairy like they told you. I am sorry to be the one to tell you...but sooner or later you had to know. I mean some might call you gullible, but you just did not know....it happens.

**SBR_John** · 06-12-06, 05:05 PM

Buddy is Standard and Poors also affected by the money they charge compaines to rate them? Is the whole world evil between your ears?

**isetcap** · 06-12-06, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by BuddyBear

But other groups who rate books may be influenced by money but not SBR is basically what you are saying.....believe as you wish, even you said VIP is not an A+ book but b/c you don't like me, all of a sudden you are singing a new tune. I use to think you were a sensible one on here.

This is not a personal issue and I do not dislike you, although I often disagree with you.

Let me be succinct in stating that I honestly feel that other groups have a different business model in place which makes them more reliant on generating as much income as possible right now, whereas SBR has obviously taken a different approach.

I do agree with you that VIP is overrated. I disagree that it is a result of some payoff by VIP. I think it has to do with the strong relationship SBR staff has with VIP staff and the transparency VIP offers SBR into its operation. I am very confident it is not a money issue. Having said all that, flying a banner for VIP is not the same as flying a banner for Bet Royal although I assure you Bet Royal would give SBR a huge payment to promote them.

**tacomax** · 06-12-06, 05:16 PM

John, I'm sure you've twigged by now but you're wasting your time here. You've been asked questions, you've answered honestly but still the same old BS keeps getting spouted.

This is the "raiders syndrome" all over again. Either you're dealing with someone with:

a) An inability in the area of intelligence to understand the answers you have given.

b) An anti-SBR agenda.

c) Both of the above.

**BuddyBear** · 06-12-06, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Buddy is Standard and Poors also affected by the money they charge compaines to rate them? Is the whole world evil between your ears?

Indeed they are....anyone who is dependent on money for their livelihood is susceptiable to acting in ways inconsistent with thier value systems. It may be to a small extant, it may be to a large extant...but it is out there and it happens. I believe you guys are just and more often then not, like 99% of the time, your ratings are a pretty accurate estimate of the quality of the book. But what I am saying is you can't depend on money from books and evaluate them at the same time....that's been my entire argument from the start.

Do you really think Raiders liked BetRoyal so much that he would go to bat for them all the time....no, he gets money from them and has no problem selling out.

What about politicians John...what do you not think are they influenced by money they received? Why do you think there is so much about campaign finance reform....

I know the average poster on here has low intelligence and such like Terris and Taco, but you can't fool me...you can't suppress my thoughts, my creativity, my acumen for thinking in a critical fashion. It's always been guys like me who have stood up and confronted power and made demands on them.

In these two thread, I have basically called you guys out and forced you to answer difficult questions right or wrong and put you in an uncomfortable position to answer questions that you are not accustomed to answering. It's guys like me with big balls who do these type of things all the time. I am what you call part of the hardcore...a small percentage of people who will stand up no matter the situation. I don't give a **** what others really think of me....and I can assure I have my supporters on here and that most posters on here admire by desire to seek truth.

**Terris** · 06-12-06, 05:18 PM

lol i was just thinking the same taco - is raiders sitting on BBs comp maybe? On the other hand, he didnt offer me an arm wrestling match for 500 bucks so far...harhar

**SBR_John** · 06-12-06, 05:20 PM

Whatever. We offer the site, its a business. We do the best we can and if you dont like it or feel someone does a better job then list those sites right here:
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And lets compare ratings.

**isetcap** · 06-12-06, 05:23 PM

Being confrontational simply for the sake of being confrontational only trivializes your arguments. Sometimes there is no conspiracy no matter how hard you look.

**BuddyBear** · 06-12-06, 05:25 PM

you are missing the point, it's not a matter of who does a better job or not, it's just a matter of who is less corrupt. Maybe I am just too intelligent for you guys on here...b/c seriously that's what I am starting to think.

You have financial constraints don't you...you have a family John? You need money....you have employees...they need to be paid? You get an electricity bill, it's got to be paid.....you have rent to pay for the office, it's got to be paid....in short, you have financial obligations. Money does not grow on trees.

I think we can agree to disagree and the best way to phrase it is that you guys are less corrupt than others who rate sportsbooks. But that does not mean you aren't influenced by the almighty dollar or peso or whatever you guys get paid in. It just means you are the best (or least influenced) at it.

**BuddyBear** · 06-12-06, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by isetcap

Being confrontational simply for the sake of being confrontational only trivializes your arguments. Sometimes there is no conspiracy no matter how hard you look.

I have said there is no conspiracy....it's the way the system is set up and there is nothing you and I can do about it other than to know what is going on. You can go around Isetcap and believe everything you are told all the time and not question anything and life will be good for you...very simple. Ignorence is bliss as they say. Or you can choose to be like me and stand up for freedom, for integrity, for justice and virtue.

I swear to God if it is the last thing I do, I will get the last word in both these threads one way or another. Guys like me don't lay on my back quickly like Taco's mom.

**SBR_John** · 06-12-06, 05:41 PM

I didnt see any other sites listed..what a shock..LOL

OK, this is getting boring. Your repsonses are all the same. You believe we sell ratings or they are influenced. I've told you how our model works but that doesn't play into your conspiracy theory. So believe what you want and enjoy SBR.

**tacomax** · 06-12-06, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by BuddyBear

I swear to God if it is the last thing I do, I will get the last word in both these threads one way or another. Guys like me don't lay on my back quickly like Taco's mom.

And you'll be getting your last word in at the Private Forum if you keep that up.

**BuddyBear** · 06-12-06, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by tacomax

And you'll be getting your last word in at the Private Forum if you keep that up.

It does not matter where I get it, I'll get it trust me.