Redick beats out Young, Bush for Sullivan Award

[Illusion]

NEW YORK -- Duke star J.J. Redick won the Sullivan Award on Wednesday night, becoming the first men's basketball player since Bill Walton in 1973 to be honored as the nation's top amateur athlete.

Redick beat out Texas quarterback Vince Young, who led the Longhorns to a national title with a win in the Rose Bowl over Southern California and its two Sullivan Award finalists -- Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush.

The Duke senior also took the 2005 Sullivan Award over two-time AP women's basketball player of the year Seimone Augustus of LSU, Florida hurdler Kerron Clement, two-time Olympic gold medalist in taekwondo Steven Lopez, Olympic diving champion Laura Wilkinson, 2005 World Cup champion skier Bode Miller, and gymnast Chellsie Memmel, the 2005 world gymnastics champion.

"I'm thinking to myself I really don't belong in their company," Redick said. "They win world championships and all I do is score."

Redick was second in the nation in scoring behind Gonzaga's Adam Morrison with a 26.8 average.

The Sullivan is presented by the Amateur Athletic Union and a third of the vote is determined by fans voting online.

The Sullivan Award went to a men's basketball player for just the third time in its 76-year history. Before Redick and Walton, UCLA's All-America center, Princeton's Bill Bradley won the 1965 award.

Last week, the Duke guard took home the John R. Wooden award as the nation's top college basketball player. He had already won the AP's player of the year award. But for the Sullivan, he was up against tougher competition. Of the other nine finalists, only Augustus, Leinart and Bush had not won the championship in his or her sport in 2005. Leinart and Bush have won the last two Heisman trophies.

Redick was also the ACC player of the year.

The most recent college basketball players to win the Sullivan were women. Chamique Holdsclaw won in 1998, followed by Kelly and Coco Miller in 1999.

Redick plans to hire an agent in the next couple of weeks, then begin training to prepare for the NBA draft in June.

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He is gonna suck when he is in the NBA!! He doesn't have any ball controlling
skills and he is too short to play shooting guard. Good luck redick!!

He will never average more than 9pts a game in the NBA!! He might
not even make a team seriously.

[Razz]

He is gonna suck when he is in the NBA!! He doesn't have any ball controlling
skills and he is too short to play shooting guard. Good luck redick!!

He will never average more than 9pts a game in the NBA!! He might
not even make a team seriously.

If he gets on the right team, he'll be like Kyle Korver is for the Sixers.
Regardless, this is a joke. It's hard to make an argument that he was the best player in college basketball last season, nonetheless the best in all of college athletics. This award should have gone to Young, in my opinion.

[Winston Smith]

"I'm thinking to myself I really don't belong in their company," Redick said. "They win world championships and all I do is score."

If only the committee had such lucid thoughts.

[The Great One]

Redick can't play in the NBA? Does that mean you thinkYoung can play in the NFL.

Redick has a better chance at success in the NBA than Fumbles does in the NFL

If Redick gets with a team like Phoenix, he could florish. He'll never be a star and will never be a teams best player. He won't create off the dribble, but he can shoot like craze. That alone will make him a doulble digit scorer. Is he better than Steve Kerr?

Yet Fumbles doesn't have a chance in hell at success, but it seems people are higher on him.

Just let be me GM and I'll have a title within 4 years. i know I would I tell ya. Thats why6 my long term goal is to own a pro. sports team. Should make for a hell of a scandal to, because I'd still be betting for or against my team.

[Razz]

Is he better than Steve Kerr?

No.

[The Great One]

He is better than Steve Kerr. Alot of people just don't like him because he has that "I'm better than you" Duke mentality. Trust me, I get the same thing. I know how it is.


The real question is would Fumbles McScramble have a better NBA career than NFL quarterback career?

He'll last about 2 season as a quarterback. In that time once they realize he can't memorize the playback and can't hit a moving target, they'll move him to receiver where he will get hurt after a couple spectacular grabs and will go on to be a bust.

But then as the next draft approaches, they'll be another QB that creates this buzz and they'll make the same mistake. Afterall, if you don't draft him, they'll be cries of racism.

Same story evey year.

[knicknut]

It's so en vogue to call Redick overrated that he doesn't get the credit he deserves.

In the right situation in the NBA, he will flourish. He has improved unbelievably the past two years with his athleticism and endurance. He was in the best shape of nearly anyone in the NCAA last year (playing nearly 40 minutes a game where he was pushed, pulled, and scratched by defenders on every cut and pick). I'm not saying he's the most "athletic," but this year he was a, dare I say, good defender and pulled off a number of athletic drives.

Unfortunately, many in the public who don't watch him will continue to label him as a poor defender and slow, partially because he wasn't a pure athlete coming out of high school, and furthered by the fact that he is white.

He will succeed if he is in the right situation next year (a Steve Kerr-type roll in Cleveland, Miami, or Phoenix would be great, although he's unlikely to drop that far).

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Redick shots will get blocked but taller NBA guards! just
like when redick was defended by taller NCAA guards!!!
Case Closed!!!

[The Great One]

Redick shots will get blocked but taller NBA guards! just
like when redick was defended by taller NCAA guards!!!
Case Closed!!!

No, it's a totally different game. He's not going to have guys on his tail as much in the NBA. In college, he was the main offensive weopon by far. He won't be followed so tightly on screens and teams won't switch as he runs the baseline. He'll get open looks just by running simple flare screens.

For example, if he's on the Heat. He'll get open look as teams drop down on shaw

OR Phoenix. They'll be running and gunning as nash penetrates, he'll kick it out all day.

What you said is true in a half court setting. In a half court game, he doesn't have the prorotypical size or lateral quickness you need, but like I say, in the right fit as simply a role player/shooter, he can easily average double digits. Thats only three 3's and a lay-up in the open court.

Redick is actually a positive in the draft as you know exactly what you are getting with him. It's not like a hit or miss as it is with all thse other 1 and done guys. You know he has no chance to be a star. He also is a hard worker and doesn't want to just play the part.

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TGO, you do make sense. He will not be defended like his was in college
when he was the main target. I just can't see him being able to create
his own shot. I still see alot of his shots being blocked

TGO? How many pts do you think he will avg?

[Razz]

He is better than Steve Kerr.

I'll concede that point when JJ Redick plays 15 seasons in the NBA, scores 5,437 points, is the NBA's alltime 3-point shooting % leader, and hits a shot that wins his team an NBA Championship - not to mention the other four championships.

[Razz]

TGO, you do make sense. He will not be defended like his was in college
when he was the main target. I just can't see him being able to create
his own shot. I still see alot of his shots being blocked

TGO? How many pts do you think he will avg?

The problem with saying Redick won't have the best defender for another team on him is that a guy like Garrett Temple, who completely shut Redick down, is the equivalent of the average NBA team's 4th best defender.
Not to mention that Redick has a history of fading as the season goes on. After about the 25th game in college, he was not good at all. There are 82 games in an NBA season, not to mention playoffs.
I don't dislike JJ Redick, but he won't be a good professional, and if he has a career half as good as Steve Kerr's, I would be amazed.

[moses millsap]

It all depends on what team and situation JJ finds himself in. He can be a very good role player, but nothing more than that.

The fact that he won this award is a complete and utter joke though.

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I guess Dick Vitale has a 100 votes. I was shocked when he won.

[The Great One]

The problem with saying Redick won't have the best defender for another team on him is that a guy like Garrett Temple, who completely shut Redick down, is the equivalent of the average NBA team's 4th best defender.
Not to mention that Redick has a history of fading as the season goes on. After about the 25th game in college, he was not good at all. There are 82 games in an NBA season, not to mention playoffs.
I don't dislike JJ Redick, but he won't be a good professional, and if he has a career half as good as Steve Kerr's, I would be amazed.

Thats also playing 40 minutes a game and like I said earlier, being the entire offense running off screens all day.

The problem with what will happen in the draft is this is such a weak draft,, Redick will go somewhere around pick #10ish likely to a not very good team and it will look like he sucks. He'll end up going somewhere like Golden State where he will average 4.5 points a game. The best fit for him are places like Phoenix and Miami or any up tempo team. But he'll be off the board by time they pick.

Try to be objective when you judge people, I get the feeling alot of you just hate Duke so you hate him.

Also, I'm usually right on with my assesmant of college basketball and football players. I still remember arguing with people in spring of 98 with Leaf vs. Manning. lol

Also Edge vs. Ricky. And now its Young vs. any other pro in football.

Like I said, with Redick, you know what you get. You can't give him the ball on the perimeter and tell him to slash to the hoop. He was only average at best doing that in college.

Also, with his height at 6'4", i don't think thats as big of a deal as others might. I'm 6"5" and don't notice much difference in guarding a 6'3" or a 6'7" on the perimeter. Quickness is much more important on the perimeter anyway which he does lack. But, think about it, outside of the Detroit Pistons, Bruce Bowen, and Ron Artest, are there that many great perimeter defenders in the NBA anyways?