SBR - IS this a F'N JOKE?????????????

**scarp** · 02-24-11, 11:46 AM

wow... yeah thats messed up

**big0mar** · 02-24-11, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by Mikail

https://shop.stjude.org/GiftCatalog/...FQELbAodKSPL0A

Here you go Big Omar. Have your CC ready.

Regularly make charitable contributions already

**Mikail** · 02-24-11, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by big0mar

Regularly make charitable contributions already

God bless you

**hubie69** · 02-24-11, 11:59 AM

I don't donate money, I donate time to local community charities

**Mikail** · 02-24-11, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by hubie69

I don't donate money, I donate time to local community charities

I donate money. It is more suitable for me as my time is limited. Also I'm sure you've heard the term "time is money" Isn't that the truth.

**pavyracer** · 02-24-11, 12:03 PM

You can always write a check to St.Jude's and not become a Pro if you are worried about your privacy with the books. Why blame SBR for implementing a fair policy to eradicate points fraud? They have done the studies and found out that 99.9% of the point fraud schemes are conspired by non-pros.

**big0mar** · 02-24-11, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

You can always write a check to St.Jude's and not become a Pro if you are worried about your privacy with the books. Why blame SBR for implementing a fair policy to eradicate points fraud? They have done the studies and found out that 99.9% of the point fraud schemes are conspired by non-pros.

You can't be this naive Pavy

How is exempting donations to St. Judes going to increase point fraud?

Pavy you are smarter than this

I don't want to expose SBR completely, but I may have to

**Mikail** · 02-24-11, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

You can always write a check to St.Jude's and not become a Pro if you are worried about your privacy with the books. Why blame SBR for implementing a fair policy to eradicate points fraud? They have done the studies and found out that 99.9% of the point fraud schemes are conspired by non-pros.

Exactly and unfortunately because of a few bad apples all the non pros have to deal with the new rules. I'm sure most will agree that sbr is being reasonable.

**TobiasFunke** · 02-24-11, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by big0mar

Tell what I'm going to do SBR

I'm going to get up to 20,000 points, then call St Judes Hospital and tell them SBR won't let me donate the $2500+

I'm sure the sick kids will really understand

If you get to 20000 points and dont become a pro then you're a moron... Why dont you just stop complaining and just become a pro if you care so much about the charity? It's technically free as long as you have at least $200 sitting around in an offshore account, and I would assume most of us do...

**big0mar** · 02-24-11, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by TobiasFunke

If you get to 20000 points and dont become a pro then you're a moron... Why dont you just stop complaining and just become a pro if you care so much about the charity? It's technically free as long as you have at least $200 sitting around in an offshore account, and I would assume most of us do...

I don't think I've ever complained about the Pro/non-pro thing before this

I really don't care too much about the charity

The point here is more about SBR misleading everyone about the reasons for restrictions

**TobiasFunke** · 02-24-11, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by big0mar

I don't think I've ever complained about the Pro/non-pro thing before this

I really don't care too much about the charity

The point here is more about SBR misleading everyone about the reasons for restrictions

Fair enough, but SBR is not "preventing" you from becoming a pro, you have the option.

**pavyracer** · 02-24-11, 12:30 PM

This is straight forward. You want to have unlimited use of your points and buy whatever you want from the store? Become a Pro.

Else you can only buy the limited items they offer you at the Store. The choice is yours.

**TobiasFunke** · 02-24-11, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

This is straight forward. You want to have unlimited use of your points and buy whatever you want from the store? Become a Pro.

Else you can only buy the limited items they offer you at the Store. The choice is yours.

Yeah that basically sums up what I was trying to explain.

**YorkHunt** · 02-24-11, 12:50 PM

**HotStreak** · 02-24-11, 12:55 PM

Just become a Pro. You will be happy.

**Fishhead** · 02-24-11, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by HotStreak

Just become a Pro. You will be happy.

**Wulfman14** · 02-24-11, 12:58 PM

yea they should allow non pros to purchase charities. that should be changed

**big0mar** · 02-24-11, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

This is straight forward. You want to have unlimited use of your points and buy whatever you want from the store? Become a Pro.

Else you can only buy the limited items they offer you at the Store. The choice is yours.

Who said I wanted unlimited use?

The question at this point is, was the system implemented to prevent fraud, or to increase revenue to SBR sponsored books? Because I don't think anyone could believe someone is defrauding SBR to send money to St. Jude

**pavyracer** · 02-24-11, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by big0mar

Who said I wanted unlimited use?

The question at this point is, was the system implemented to prevent fraud, or to increase revenue to SBR sponsored books? Because I don't think anyone could believe someone is defrauding SBR to send money to St. Jude

Take your checkbook and write a check to St.Jude's if you don't like the way the points system works. Why bother with the measley points SBR gives you for being here and posting?

**Fishhead** · 02-24-11, 02:29 PM

SBR Forum - Sports Betting Talk - Sportsbook Review Forum

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/957451-lets-raise-least-1-000-today-st-judes-children-hospital.html

Sports betting and handicapping forum: discuss picks, odds, and predictions for upcoming games and results on latest bets.

**warriorfan707** · 02-24-11, 02:33 PM

**TR88** · 02-24-11, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by lemart5

Send them the barreled in t-shirts they are the cure for cancer

fkn retard....

**mighty maron** · 02-24-11, 02:37 PM

You know what...Op is just finding a hot topic to pseudo vent about. Op is really pissed that he cant buy regular pro items in store. So he takes a top like charity, or children to sideways vent on his real issue.

Pony up and become a pro

**big0mar** · 02-24-11, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by mighty maron

You know what...Op is just finding a hot topic to pseudo vent about. Op is really pissed that he cant buy regular pro items in store. So he takes a top like charity, or children to sideways vent on his real issue.

Pony up and become a pro

I think if you look at my history, you'll see I have little to no interest in purchasing anything from the sbr store.

The only reason I brought this up, is because there were a couple of threads asking for donations, and I attempted to make one.

I could really give two shits about SBR points. Just wanted to point out the dishonesty by SBR

**Bill Dozer** · 02-24-11, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by big0mar

I don't think it matters anymore

Bill has made it clear that SBR has implemented these restrictions not to prevent fraud, but to increase revenue for books that give SBR money

Really explains a lot about whats happened here the past week or so. I could make SBR look real bad if I chose to

It's all the same in some ways. Fraud is an exepense. How much is given away is part of a balance. Too much fraud... No points program giveback. Too much being given away, not sustainable...No points program. SBRforum chose to use the model of giving back to its users to enrich the site and user experience. Anyone who doesnt think free is cheap enough is encouraged to go elsewhere.

Originally posted by mdemps9190

A little donation wouldn't kill you guys Dozer, who are you kidding?

Who do you think makes the thousands in donations? ...put all the charity stuff in the store? ...priced it so it's the lowest price? What have you done besides ask SBR to do more or complain we aren't giving enough?

**stealthyburrito** · 02-24-11, 02:49 PM

kinda disappointing to hear bill say that, but i guess tis the nature of the business.

**mighty maron** · 02-24-11, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by stealthyburrito

kinda disappointing to hear bill say that, but i guess tis the nature of the business.

Its a business exactly. If they choose to donate or what rules to donate something, its their house.

**pavyracer** · 02-24-11, 02:56 PM

Well after the points SBR gave you for free are used to buy donations for St.Jude SBR has to write a check and send to St.Jude. So they give you points for free then they accept them back at the Store and write the check to the charity. So basically SBR is putting up all the cost for the donation. And some people are actually complaining SBR is ripping them off!!

**Bill Dozer** · 02-24-11, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by stealthyburrito

kinda disappointing to hear bill say that, but i guess tis the nature of the business.

Stealthy,
But not to worry, the points program isn't going anywhere. We enjoy it. 98% of our posters enjoy it. That's why we have to take care to manage it correctly and will make sure it remains part of the most fun capper website. People don't usually like changes but we'll do what's best for everyone.

**big0mar** · 02-24-11, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

It's all the same in some ways. Fraud is an exepense. How much is given away is part of a balance. Too much fraud... No points program giveback. Too much being given away, not sustainable...No points program. SBRforum chose to use the model of giving back to its users to enrich the site and user experience. Anyone who doesnt think free is cheap enough is encouraged to go elsewhere.

Who do you think makes the thousands in donations? ...put all the charity stuff in the store? ...priced it so it's the lowest price? What have you done besides ask SBR to do more or complain we aren't giving enough?

Originally posted by pavyracer

Well after the points SBR gave you for free are used to buy donations for St.Jude SBR has to write a check and send to St.Jude. So they give you points for free then they accept them back at the Store and write the check to the charity. So basically SBR is putting up all the cost for the donation. And some people are actually complaining SBR is ripping them off!!

Guys I think you're interpreting this wrong.

I have no problem with restricting points transactions to PROs only. Hell, I have no problem with abolishing points for all non-pros all together

I 100% understand SBRs reasoning behind all of this

My ONLY issue is this. SBR uses the reasoning of fraud-prevention behind the move. Thats why the restrict purchases to bullshit t-shirts and sportsbook freeplays etc. Obviously this works, because nobody is going to defraud SBR for points for a free fukkin t-shirt. But why not include St. Judes donations if you are going to include t-shirts? Do you really think someone will defraud SBR to donate to St. Judes?

Here is what I think. The whole defrauding of SBR points was one big strawman created. Peanut was not even real.He was created by SBR, and gave those points to Nicky, so everyone could get their panties tied over ghosts scamming the point system. Funny we don't see Nicky complaining about the 5k points anymore.

**pavyracer** · 02-24-11, 03:49 PM

The way I see it is the points program is like a private country club. The Pros (members) got to choose whatever time they want to tee off for golf, use the steam room, the pool, buy food at a discount, etc. The non-pros are like non-members. They can only tee off at twilight but only if they pay 3X times the green fees, can't use the steam room, the pool, have to buy regular price food etc.

**EmpireMaker** · 02-24-11, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by big0mar

Can't send more than 2 points

I have no problem with restricting purchases for non-pros, but I would think St. Judes would be one of the exceptions

Buy a freeplay or sportsbook cash make the rollover withdraw the cash deposit $200 at a book you like and not have this problem anymore. or withdraw the cash and give it directly to your favorite charity.

**ttwarrior1** · 02-24-11, 04:48 PM

sbr would rather u lose them in the casino

**MBENZ** · 02-24-11, 05:13 PM

I wonder how many pros there would be here if the requirement was to maintain at least 500 in a sponsor book at all times instead of a 200 one time deal?

Seriously if their goal is to have posters playing at a sponsor,why wouldn't this make more sense?Then they could actually award those that follow the program as it was intended.