Sportsbook.com Bonuses Question?

ShamsWoof10 · 03-07-08, 12:25 PM

Sportsbook.com is fine... It doesn't pay the fastest but people around here are not the sharpest so you will have to excuse them... They think taking 2-3 weeks is just like not paying... As long as you don't intentionally try and scam them out of certain bonuses you will be fine.. PlayersOnly offers those promotions also that you are talking about... There is a $500 max. on those with a rollover but still it is nice... I never tried them out but I know about them.. I don't know if you have to be a losing account or not but I am at LMaker and a winning account that still gets reload bonuses automatically... I even called them to mention that if I didn't qualify there is no need to give me the bonus but they insisted I was fine...

bigboydan · 03-07-08, 12:29 PM

I could sit here and write all day about this books track record, however I find it easier these days to just provide this link. That way it saves me a lot of typing.

ShamsWoof10 · 03-07-08, 12:42 PM

Look at BCrude's honest thread about bonus abuse... Dan leaves these details out and if you look at the top of SBR's home page you'll notice there is no Sportsbook.com banner up there.. There is your answer as to why...

Why does that matter... well if you click on one of those banners SBR will be your referal and SBR gets a % of your "LOSES"... There is NO advantage for them to say anything positive about Sportsbook.com... If they however draw someone away and into a book on this site then it becomes an advantage...

I don't blame them....sh*t I can't believe they don't "make up" a case from time to time to drum up fear and get people out of Sportsbook.com and into one of their sites...

bettilimbroke999 · 03-07-08, 01:07 PM

I appreciate the advice on sportsbook.com. I realize that they are upset about what they refer to as "bonus abusers" who open accounts in many of their sister sites and milk their bonuses like a newborn. I will only use sportsbook.com and try a deposit of 100 and if I get up to 300 I will cash out. If they send me the money then I will have trust in them if not then they screwed me out of a small bit and I will never do business with them again.

ShamsWoof10 · 03-07-08, 01:13 PM

Fair enough... Good luck with your bets and I hope you win.. I can only tell you my personal experience with them and that is I have NEVER NOT recieved my payouts from them... THEY ALWAYS deliver... it may take a minute but it always shows..

Again ....the best of luck to you poster...

bettilimbroke999 · 03-07-08, 01:15 PM

I would also like to add there needs to be more posts from normal bettors. Ya know like I cashed out 600 or a 1000 and they paid me or didn't and this is how long it takes for sportsbook.com as there are tons of posts like that for betjam, matchbook, etc. which are very informative to me. All the posts on Jazette run sites are like 20k confiscated for bonus abuse and I'm sitting there not knowing what to think, a guy getting 20k confiscated for bonus abuse is not very relative to someone like me wanting to cash out 4 or 5 hundred with no intention of abusing their bonuses and we never get to hear sportsbook.com side of the story, I mean was there just a total abuse of a bonus system which is already probably the best online so someone depositing 10's of thousands would be receiving thousands of dollars in bonuses and very likely could be seriously abusing the promotions.

ShamsWoof10 · 03-07-08, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

I would also like to add there needs to be more posts from normal bettors. Ya know like I cashed out 600 or a 1000 and they paid me or didn't and this is how long it takes for sportsbook.com as there are tons of posts like that for betjam, matchbook, etc. which are very informative to me. All the posts on Jazette run sites are like 20k confiscated for bonus abuse and I'm sitting there not knowing what to think, a guy getting 20k confiscated for bonus abuse is not very relative to someone like me wanting to cash out 4 or 5 hundred with no intention of abusing their bonuses and we never get to hear sportsbook.com side of the story, I mean was there just a total abuse of a bonus system which is already probably the best online so someone depositing 10's of thousands would be receiving thousands of dollars in bonuses and very likely could be seriously abusing the promotions.

Someone who thinks around here.. wow you must stay...

Anyway good post and I am waiting on 1 payout from PlayersOnly and 3 from Linesmaker.. These are sister sites of Sportsbook so they are all the same... I have NOT yet recieved them and it's going on 3 weeks for 2 of them... I have consistantly recieved payouts from them that took about 2 weeks since last summer until Super Bowl time... There seems to be a delay a bit longer then normal... I did noticed they made a slight change to their processor which could be causing it.. who knows...

I'll post when I recieve my payments.... I am a 100-500 bettor with occasional 1K or 2K bets...

I'm sure I speak for most if not all the posters when I say: If there is any other question you have about any book please just ask and there is always someone who is playing with that book that can help you...

bettilimbroke999 · 03-07-08, 02:30 PM

Thanks for the help Shams if there was more unbiased help with all online sportsbooks being judged fairly instead of just trashing the one's SBR doesn't make a profit off of then we'd all be better off.

Justin7 · 03-07-08, 02:35 PM

Bettim,

Although I moderate and do disputes here, my livelihood is from sports betting.

There are some books that are "too good to be true". When they give away money too easily, they have to find a way to keep it. In Sportsbook.com's case, they do it through outright theft.

There are several outstanding complaints against them. The bigger ones (where lots of players have been affected) include:
1. Canceling winning parlays, stating "correlated parlays" are illegal when their software allows it. Curiously, they didn't cancel losing parlays, although they claimed they did.
2. Bonus confiscation. Different sister books of Sportsbook encourage players to open accounts at each book. If a player wins, they confiscate all their balances, claiming "bonus abuse". How can it be bonus abuse if they EXPLICITLY approved it?

As a pro, I wouldn't touch this family. If you play there, I wish you the best of luck... but opening an account there is just asking for a headache if you win.

Justin7 · 03-07-08, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

Thanks for the help Shams if there was more unbiased help with all online sportsbooks being judged fairly instead of just trashing the one's SBR doesn't make a profit off of then we'd all be better off.

FYI, I have no problem trashing advertisers, or defending non-advertisers. Part of my agreement with SBR is I can "call it like I see it".

bettilimbroke999 · 03-07-08, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by Justin7

Bettim,

Although I moderate and do disputes here, my livelihood is from sports betting.

There are some books that are "too good to be true". When they give away money too easily, they have to find a way to keep it. In Sportsbook.com's case, they do it through outright theft.

There are several outstanding complaints against them. The bigger ones (where lots of players have been affected) include:
1. Canceling winning parlays, stating "correlated parlays" are illegal when their software allows it. Curiously, they didn't cancel losing parlays, although they claimed they did.
2. Bonus confiscation. Different sister books of Sportsbook encourage players to open accounts at each book. If a player wins, they confiscate all their balances, claiming "bonus abuse". How can it be bonus abuse if they EXPLICITLY approved it?

As a pro, I wouldn't touch this family. If you play there, I wish you the best of luck... but opening an account there is just asking for a headache if you win.

This is very confusing b/c they have a poker room and I chatted up a couple of the players and they say yea they always pay by check (takes about 2-3 weeks). I feel like if a person is depositing 10k in a site getting a bonus winning 1k with it and then withdrawing and redepositing the 11k into a sister sportsbook to make another 1k and repeating this process over and over that is bonus abuse. I personally feel bonuses should only be given to recreational players to attract them to a site, not sharp players looking to take a huge stab at a site for thousands of dollars, it's just not realistic to think that a site will be able to give thousands of dollars in bonuses to players that are only gonna wager on weak lines and probably hedge their bets on matchbook or pinny anyway to reap the bonuses as profits. I will give them a small chance to prove me right or wrong and hey if they fuk me then I am done with them and will post on here for all to stay away, but somebody's gotta bite the bullet instead of just trying to guess whether they are okay or not from all this conflicting information. I will report back and at least be able to let the average small stakes gambler know that his 3-5 hundred dollars will be coming in the mail or won't be if he happens to bet and win at sportsbook.com. I am totally unbiased, I will either be happy when I cash out and report that or be unhappy and report that.

Justin7 · 03-07-08, 04:24 PM

It's nice of you to "bite the bullet" for everyone else. If you are playing to make money and not waste time, I still think you're better off playing with a book with no proven history of stealing from players.

Re: bonuses... If you offer them, sharps and squares alike will use them. You can't get one without the other.

bettilimbroke999 · 03-07-08, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by Justin7

It's nice of you to "bite the bullet" for everyone else. If you are playing to make money and not waste time, I still think you're better off playing with a book with no proven history of stealing from players.

Re: bonuses... If you offer them, sharps and squares alike will use them. You can't get one without the other.

You do seem to feel very strongly that Jazette run sites are not opposed to stealing their customers money, so I must admit I am feeling discouraged about depositing money in my sportsbook.com account b/c of the amount of negative things I'm hearing about them. But, I also feel that their problems tend to stem from sharp players getting enormous bonuses, based on higher deposit amounts. I am kind of just sitting here wondering whether it's worth throwing 200 at em right now or not. I may wait til Sham receives his latest checks before shoving my own money into their system and giving em a try just to make sure their payout issues have been solved b/c 3+ weeks does seem like a long time to wait for a few hundred bucks when I cash out.

Justin7 · 03-07-08, 05:53 PM

bet,

Their problem is that they are losing money. You rarely here complaints from losing players - you don't have to rob them. A majority of players will lose their entire balance if they play long enough.

About 1% of players can beat a sharp book, and as high as 6-7% can beat a square book. These are the ones at risk of being robbed, and it is not limited to bonus hustlers.

One outstanding issue is the "correlated parlays" problem. Lots of books occasionally have these up. I've beaten Cris out of perhaps 50k playing these occasionally. They pay me, fix the problem, and move on. Other books have offered these, and in every instance - SIA included - they paid, fixed the problem and moved on.

Sportsbook.com went back for 12 months, and stole money from every player that won on correlated parlays. This was an un-heard of act of desperation. It had nothing to do with bonuses - just one tool sharps use.

If they are willing to steal from anyone using their brain on correlated parlays, what's next? Will they start stealing from people who bet "wise guy teasers"? Will prop winners have their winnings forfeited for being "professionals"? Will normal players who are good at a sport have their winnings stolen when originating for "betting steam"?

My point is that a book that cheats once will cheat again. The correlated parlays theft involved several HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of dollars from over 20 players. If they are this desperate and have no integrity, there is no way you can win at this book and be confident they won't make up a reason to rob you.

They are a D- book for only one reason: they pay a lot of the smaller winners. They aren't far from an "F" with their recent heists.

Play there at your own risk. Or you can play at a decent book, and not wonder how they will screw you if you win.

TLD · 03-07-08, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

You do seem to feel very strongly that Jazette runs sites are not opposed to stealing their customers money, so I must admit I am feeling discouraged about depositing money in my sportsbook.com account b/c of the amount of negative things I'm hearing about them. But, I also feel that their problems tend to stem from sharp players getting enormous bonuses, based on higher deposit amounts. I am kind of just sitting here wondering whether it's worth throwing 200 at em right now or not. I may wait til Sham receives his latest checks before shoving my own money into their system and giving em a try just to make sure their payout issues have been solved b/c 3+ weeks does seem like a long time to wait for a few hundred bucks when I cash out.

I’ll second Justin’s take on the Sportsbook.com/Jazette group of books.

The one thing I would add is that if you do want to play at a Jazette book, check the SBR ratings first and play at one that’s not D-. (Some of them have split from the herd and not participated in the recent robberies, and thereby avoided the downgrades.) I believe BetUSA is the highest or tied for the highest rated Jazette book currently.

The offerings at all these books are pretty much identical, so the only sensible options are to play at none of them or to play at only the comparatively “good” ones. I would strongly discourage anyone from depositing at Sportsbook.com and the other D- members of this family.

eyeball · 03-07-08, 09:12 PM

I think that SBR focuses on one or two people that have had wagers confiscated due to less THAN honest gambling. if they are a sponsor than there is a cover up But if the book is not a sponsor than a big deal is made out of it and the book goes to D. Bod dog sucks yet they ar an A. I WILL GIVE THEM CREDIT THOUGH AT LEAST THEY DON'T DELETE NEGATIVE POSTS

Justin7 · 03-07-08, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by eyeball

I think that SBR focuses on one or two people that have had wagers confiscated due to less THAN honest gambling. if they are a sponsor than there is a cover up But if the book is not a sponsor than a big deal is made out of it and the book goes to D. Bod dog sucks yet they ar an A. I WILL GIVE THEM CREDIT THOUGH AT LEAST THEY DON'T DELETE NEGATIVE POSTS

eyeball,

SBR is by FAR the best source of info anywhere.

re: 1-2 players... no, it was about 20 players that had winning parlays deleted.

I hold sponsors to the same standard as non-advertisers. If I see a foul, I call it.

20Four7 · 03-07-08, 09:47 PM

While they are Moderators here, BBD and Justin will tell it to you straight. That's a big plus. If there is an agenda here it comes form the higher ups. These two in particular will not bullshit you.

If you play at sportsbook good luck. I haven't ventured there since I'm already at another one Bet Royal who also participated in some thefts. I do NOT ask for any bonus from royal due to my concern over that. I have been given a bonus here and there but do not ask.

Always realize there is a risk to your funds if you play at a book rated C or lower. The lower the rating the more risk to your funds. Only keep in the lower tier books money that you can afford to lose (and not through gambling). Be aware it may take you a month to see your winnings if you cash out.

GL to you.

eyeball · 03-07-08, 10:07 PM

I know that SBR is the best source of info out there..and they have helped people recover their money. I am with them..but I think sometimes they really bend the rules for their sponsors....

TLD · 03-07-08, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by eyeball

..but I think sometimes they really bend the rules for their sponsors....

Possibly. But I've noticed the evidence people cite to back this up tends to be dubious if not non-existent.

Instead it's become a facile, meaningless criticism people toss out either so they can sound fashionably cynical, or because they have an agenda to damage SBR's reputation for their own selfish reasons (competing site, got caught scamming, had a personality conflict with a moderator, etc.).

bettilimbroke999 · 03-07-08, 11:50 PM

I have decided for now against depositing at sportsbook.com, perhaps I will give BetUSA a try as they have a slightly higher rating and the odds of being ripped off may be slightly less. It is also apparent that almost no one here supports depositing there and/or plays at sportsbook.com and given the incredible bonuses they offer there must be a reason behind that, so for now I will postpone using sportsbook.com as they appear a bit too risky, especially since I frequently bet parlays and some of which perhaps are correlated (assuming a correlated parlay is like the underdog with points and the over), which it is possible I would bet on, win and upset their current rules regarding parlays. Thanks for helping me decide whether to try this sportsbook out or not.

2Pac · 03-08-08, 12:33 AM

Sportsbook.com ****ing sucks. I'm thinking about opening an account there, using a credit card, making a $1000 wager, and charging back if I lose.

They deserve to burn.

dwaechte · 03-08-08, 12:53 AM

As much as I have disagreed with a lot of the opinions of SBR staff as well as some of the decisions the decision-makers have made, I have seen absolutely nothing that would lead me to suspect anyone has any ulterior motives. As far as I can tell, everyone SBR related on this board does their best to give an objective statement on every case.

helicopter23 · 03-08-08, 01:19 AM

Never had a problem with sportsbook.com. This year I have received 3 checks which I received in under 1 week.

RickySteve · 03-08-08, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by helicopter23

Never had a problem with sportsbook.com...

Funny, that's how every dispute with them begins.

Bill Dozer · 03-08-08, 11:03 PM

We just received this one tonight...

Date: 03/08/2008 03:12 PM
Sportsbook: Sports.com and Linesmaker.com
Account #: *******, ******
Type: {_CFBonusComplaint_}
E-mail Address: *********
Alt Contact:
Forwarding Sportsbook Email: No
Requested Copy: Yes
Allow SBR to Inquire with the Sportsbook: Yes
Description: They disabled both my accounts for free bet abuse and confiscated my balances of approximately $1765 in my Sports.com account and $586 in my Linesmaker.com account.

These thefts are much more common than the parlay heist. The company takes back its promo money and sometimes money won from that equaling the amount the player is in the win column for. Linesmaker will likely credit back the 586 but there isn't much hope for his $1182 from Sports.com.

Poochxxx · 03-09-08, 08:26 PM

I play in two sportsbooks, WSEX (since 1999), and Sportsbook (since 2005).
With Sportsbook I have withdrawn at least 12 checks, all between $1000 and $2500. 11 of the 12 checks have come through no problem (1-2 weeks, courier). The one that did I was told I had to provide verification of who I was (>6weeks). I haven't got into the bonuses too much and the ones I have qualified for, I had to repeatedly ask for the bonus.
Again I am on the small winners side so there is probably no reason to try and scam me . . . at the moment. I do most of my wagering at WSEX and have been fortunate enough to not have to re-up at sportsbook in 14 months!
As for WSEX, I have always had no problems w/payouts.

gambleballs · 03-10-08, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

Linesmaker will likely credit back the 586 but there isn't much hope for his $1182 from Sports.com.

BD,
Does that mean you put Linesmaker in the same category as Sportsbetting.com and BetUSA as far as practicing fairer rules and decisions than the rest of the family?

bigboydan · 03-10-08, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by gambleballs

BD,
Does that mean you put Linesmaker in the same category as Sportsbetting.com and BetUSA as far as practicing fairer rules and decisions than the rest of the family?

Thats what he was referring to I believe sir.

Heres a thread SBR Newguyintown started back on 12/29/07 to help better explain this matter.

ShamsWoof10 · 03-10-08, 02:29 PM

Putting up complaints does nothing for me because those details are not provided... I have never seen a complaint that SBR has came out and said this complaint is actually "bonus abuse"... Usually SBR stays quiet about certain things like that...

That being said I challenge anyone to play at Sportsbook without trying to scam them and IF you win request a payout... I will bet up to 2K you will recieve your check inside 3 weeks with no issues..... again provided you don't scam them... because you know people scamming books, even though you don't hear it on here, DOES HAPPEN!

I got my Linesmaker payouts Friday... It was a few days under 3 weeks from the time of request...