Why are these line-setters such pussies when it comes to College Basketball?

**vcj16** · 11-12-10, 03:31 PM

books are afraid of ras

**Extra Innings** · 11-12-10, 03:32 PM

Put the limits @ 250 for Christ's sake then.

**firedawg** · 11-12-10, 03:33 PM

give an example EI.... im new to college hoops

**dodger33** · 11-12-10, 03:39 PM

There is only about 3 totals up so far

**Extra Innings** · 11-12-10, 03:41 PM

Totals....Where are the warrior books?

**Emily_Haines** · 11-12-10, 03:42 PM

None of these books lines-makers are good enough to put up a NCAA total. These pussy fuks wait and copy the lines. When no one steps out to put up a line, there is no one to copy from. Hence we get no lines.

**Emily_Haines** · 11-12-10, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by vcj16

books are afraid of ras

They are not afraid of RAS

**Nookx** · 11-12-10, 03:43 PM

Extra innings I completely agree with you. I don't get it at all. All the books need to be worried about is splitting the action so its 50/50 on each side of the line. Books seem to be worried at times about people making money because of a bad line when all they should do is split the public at 50/50. All these line movements should be automatic this day in age. Its really stupid that there isn't lines available for EVERY game.

**Sawyer** · 11-12-10, 03:43 PM

Looks like they lost a ton last season

Guys, I tell you. Books are very vulnerable in totals & props. Don't mess with side bets too much except value dogs like Celtics last night.

**Nookx** · 11-12-10, 03:45 PM

Sawyer what your saying I think is that they are vulnerable because it is harder to find the correct theoretical total. Like i said before it shouldn't even matter what is correct or not from a books point of view.

**TexansFan** · 11-12-10, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by dodger33

There is only about 3 totals up so far

The only totals for tonights games will be the 3 televised games from what I've heard.

**Emily_Haines** · 11-12-10, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by Sawyer

Looks like they lost a ton last season

Guys, I tell you. Books are very vulnerable in totals & props. Don't mess with side bets too much except value dogs like Celtics last night.

So the fuk what! They won a ton at football this year. We have to bet and lay 11 to win 10. They have every advantage under the sun. The one area where the players have a slight edge is early season totals. How the fuk bad can they get hurt when the limit is 500 and they can move the number? Because profit is the only thing that matters to these fuks they won't deal any totals.

**d2bets** · 11-12-10, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by Nookx

Extra innings I completely agree with you. I don't get it at all. All the books need to be worried about is splitting the action so its 50/50 on each side of the line. Books seem to be worried at times about people making money because of a bad line when all they should do is split the public at 50/50. All these line movements should be automatic this day in age. Its really stupid that there isn't lines available for EVERY game.

But how do they do that? The problem for the books is there isn't a wide variety of folks betting early season college basketball totals on run of the mill games. Basically there are sharps looking for off numbers and then pounding them to high hell and giving it out to followers who then pile on even if it's a worse number on the same side. Leads to just about everyone on one side of the total in a situation where they probably screwed up the total and will lose.

**LLXC** · 11-12-10, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by Emily_Haines

Because profit is the only thing that matters to these fuks they won't deal any totals.

Wouldn't be smart business if they did something they knew they were going to lose money in. It's not like they're losing any customers either. They know when they have better lines later in the season you'll be back to bet.

**Nookx** · 11-12-10, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

But how do they do that? The problem for the books is there isn't a wide variety of folks betting early season college basketball totals on run of the mill games. Basically there are sharps looking for off numbers and then pounding them to high hell and giving it out to followers who then pile on even if it's a worse number on the same side. Leads to just about everyone on one side of the total in a situation where they probably screwed up the total and will lose.

Then obviously they have shitty line movement systems in place, the lines need to be moved instantaneously. Also I agree with you if its a super small book then I understand but lets take for example pinnacle. How could they not have enough people to wager on both sides of a bet? I don't get it.

**eonizuka** · 11-12-10, 04:09 PM

That has been annoying me as well. They are missing out on so much action by not having totals.

**Emily_Haines** · 11-12-10, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by eonizuka

That has been annoying me as well. They are missing out on so much action by not having totals.

If some book would step out and deal some totals they would instantly get an influx of depositors.

**acarmelo1** · 11-12-10, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

But how do they do that? The problem for the books is there isn't a wide variety of folks betting early season college basketball totals on run of the mill games. Basically there are sharps looking for off numbers and then pounding them to high hell and giving it out to followers who then pile on even if it's a worse number on the same side. Leads to just about everyone on one side of the total in a situation where they probably screwed up the total and will lose.

I think this is correct.

**Emily_Haines** · 11-12-10, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by acarmelo1

I think this is correct.

if the first three bets that come in are max bets on over 135

move it to 142

moving it to 136.5 aint going to do shit

**zandyman** · 11-12-10, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Emily_Haines

They are not afraid of RAS

They should be.

Originally posted by Emily_Haines

if the first three bets that come in are max bets on over 135

move it to 142

moving it to 136.5 aint going to do shit

Moving it 7pts will get their asses middled.

**Nookx** · 11-12-10, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by zandyman

They should be.

Moving it 7pts will get their asses middled.

But who cares if they get the action split 50/50? They should encourage people to win.

**Doug** · 11-12-10, 05:07 PM

Matchbook should do it, no risk to them. they could offer different totals like 140,145,150 on the same game to start with until one number settles in as " correct". Could be 142.5, 147 etc. If people really do want both sides off it, it will settle in somewhere.

I suspect it is mainly sharps/followers giving one sided action to the books on obscure games.

**Extra Innings** · 11-12-10, 06:10 PM

Book can sell off the risk you are all talking about to other outfits or simply adjust the line to make the favored side look unattractive.

**durito** · 11-12-10, 09:22 PM

You all should open a book if it's so easy. Let me know when you do.

**jagermeister1** · 11-12-10, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by vcj16

books are afraid of ras

What is RAS?

**70kgman** · 11-12-10, 09:59 PM

It was the same last season. All the books would post totals on televised games only up until a few days before December.

**jagermeister1** · 11-12-10, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by jagermeister1

What is RAS?

**70kgman** · 11-12-10, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by jagermeister1

What is RAS?

A tout. Overpriced and overrated, but one of the few touts that will win.

**Doug** · 11-13-10, 12:28 AM

I don't think he is over-rated, he got his following by winning for years. How'd you like to get his stuff before he releases it ?

**PRC** · 11-13-10, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by durito

You all should open a book if it's so easy. Let me know when you do.

lol me too.

**jjgold** · 11-13-10, 12:30 AM

Books do not want to make mistakes, although I could see $50 openers