Chances this poster works for the government, trying to enforce UIGEA?

**Domer** · 10-29-10, 10:40 PM

The Federal government cannot prosecute a player for gambling or even for making deposits, so no, it doesn't have anything to do with the government. As the law stands now, it is illegal to TAKE BETS (i.e., to be a bookmaker) and to FACILITATE TRANSFERS (UIGEA targets the banks & payout places) to and from offshore gambling operations. It is NOT illegal to make a wager, to make a deposit, or to make a withdraw/cash a withdraw. When you hear of "gambling arrests", they are bookies. Bettors are never, ever, ever arrested. And in fact lots of cops make bets themselves.

The only thing they would be able to do is to go after you for tax fraud, which is actually an incredibly serious offense if you aren't paying taxes on your winnings....but there again, an IRS agent wouldn't be doing what you are describing for a whole bunch of reasons.

Reading through his post history, it just looks like a guy who can't speak english very well and is worried (paranoid) about his money.

**prop** · 10-29-10, 10:47 PM

Domer I think you're way off here. He gives out his email on SBR and it matches an email he gives out elsewhere not related gambling. He seems to speak English just fine.

The issue many of us our facing is bank accounts getting closed down and while it started with just a couple banks its now spread to small banks as well.

**Domer** · 10-29-10, 10:55 PM

I did misread what the initial post was saying and my response is a little bit off from the topic, my mistake. I still have a very hard time believing that this is the person's intent, as it is an INCREDIBLY roundabout way to go about things.

**Masu485** · 10-29-10, 11:00 PM

aw shucks fellas

**KGambler** · 10-30-10, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by prop

The issue many of us our facing is bank accounts getting closed down and while it started with just a couple banks its now spread to small banks as well.

Yes, and TD Bank specifically is closing down people's accounts for accepting wire transfers from offshore gambling companies. Many other banks are doing the same. Obviously the US government is going through the trouble of identifying which bank accounts these transfers come from, and they are dissemenating this information to US banks, which would then be responsible to make sure none of their customers are receiving wires from said account (UIGEA).

Once they identify a foreign bank account as sending wires for offshore books, it should be a simple matter for the US banks to search their records for all of their customer accounts which have received a wire from said foreign account. Then they close down those customers' accounts.

The question is, how are they identifying these foreign bank accounts? Having an agent of the government post up and play, then request a wire transfer withdrawal seems like the most obvious way for them to do it. Maybe some of those agents also post here on the boards, trolling for info. It's not easy for government agents to get funds assigned to gamble with, so while trolling these boards for info would be much less effective than simply posting up at all of the books and withdrawing, it would be a hell of a lot easier to get approved by higher ups (who only care about CYA) and require a lot less paperwork.

In the good old days, the US government didn't have the first ******* clue how offshore customers were withdrawing their money. They focused their efforts on stopping funding and withdrawal methods which were barely used, or could not be effectively shut down. These days they seem a hell of a lot more active with their intelligence gathering. They are actively forcing US banks to close the accounts of US citizens. LAND OF THE FREE, HOME OF THE BRAVE, YEAH RIGHT

**mikejamm** · 10-30-10, 01:04 AM

Thank the republicians and that supreme dick head president bush! The patriot act is alive and well my friends, they can snoop into anybodys finances and there's really not shit we can do about it! They're following money transfers now because they want to make damn sure you're not wiring it to ollie achbar and his muslim terrorists group. So if you're just gambling with it, you should be ok. Although you're right to raise a red flag about curious posts on here KGambler, cause you just never know bro.

**sideloaded** · 10-30-10, 01:55 AM

Guy is creepy as hell.

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**ehp6737** · 10-30-10, 07:29 AM

This guy is definitely fishy as hell. Good catch KGambler, looking at his history I dont think your paranoid at all here. And Domer.....you are way off here. While it is not illegal to place a bet offshore (as you said), it IS illegal to fund your offshore account. That's what gives the UGIEA it's teeth. Now with that said, they're not going to come busting down your door if your sending $100 every couple weeks. It's like going 57 mph in a 55, technically your breaking the law, but no one's giving you a ticket. It's the same here, law officials use discretion enforcing the law, but don't think wiring money or sending ** to fund your offshore account isn't illegal. You just got to be smart about it and do it in moderation.

**MartinBlank** · 10-30-10, 08:19 AM

Nice catch man.

Stay away.

**tripleblack1705** · 10-30-10, 09:10 AM

Just thought he was a fukkin idiot before, good sleuth work KG.

-500 he never posts again

+425 he remains posting

**Extra Innings** · 10-30-10, 10:45 AM

ridiculous....why waste the time....could bring down any company if they want with the Patriot Act...could clone SBR_John's, Bill's or even the great Ivanator's address and have a field day....wouldn't be surprised if Costa Rica cooperated in the process.

**EasyHustlin** · 11-01-10, 07:58 AM

Good to see the government going after the real criminals.

**pavyracer** · 11-01-10, 08:01 AM

JJ is working for the authorities undercover to uncover shady books.

**blackbart** · 11-01-10, 10:09 AM

its all a conspiracy and its the end of the world as we know it.

**JVP3122** · 11-01-10, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by KGambler

Yes, and TD Bank specifically is closing down people's accounts for accepting wire transfers from offshore gambling companies. Many other banks are doing the same.

Another solution would be to have the money sent to you via **. I know it might take a little longer, but that's got to be a 'safer' alternative, right?

**sideloaded** · 11-02-10, 12:02 AM

** will cut you off if they suspect you are gambling.

**Brock Landers** · 11-02-10, 12:05 AM

sounds like a piece of shit to me

**gauchojake** · 11-02-10, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by Brock Landers

sounds like a piece of shit to me

A ringing endorsement for sure.

**tblues2005** · 11-02-10, 12:56 AM

Your right Brock I am with you on this! Sounds like a bunch of garbage to me also.

**KGambler** · 11-02-10, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by JVP3122

Another solution would be to have the money sent to you via **. I know it might take a little longer, but that's got to be a 'safer' alternative, right?

I only do bank transfer for large amounts. Otherwise I just take a check. I'm not going to try and collect $20K through **. That's probably not even possible.

**KGambler** · 11-02-10, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by Extra Innings

ridiculous....why waste the time....could bring down any company if they want with the Patriot Act...could clone SBR_John's, Bill's or even the great Ivanator's address and have a field day....wouldn't be surprised if Costa Rica cooperated in the process.

You missed the point. They need to identify the payment processors before they can take them down. Here is an example of a government agent (employee of Washington state Gambling Commission) playing on an online poker site and requesting a withdrawal in order to identify the payment processor. Notice they are trying to seize over $500K of this payment processor's money. This is how they intend to shut down internet gambling for US citizens.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/429273_gambling31.html

From the article:

"In January 2009, an agent with the state Gambling Commission began playing online poker through the Ultimate Bet website. In July, he requested the company pay out $200 banked from an undercover account.

The agent received a check cut from an account held by Secure Money, Inc., apparently a Canadian company doing business in Las Vegas, Nev., and Tampa, Fla., according to the complaint."

**cant call it** · 11-17-10, 04:48 PM

I had a certain poster send me a pm about ** transfers and stuff when I replied in his thread. Shady? sounds like it to me. I mean, obvious information you could just go to a sportsbook website and find but wtf you asking me for?
If yall wanna know who it is I will tell ya, if you havent already found his thread.
I wouldnt mind compiling a list of these people together and placing them on ignore.
also to the o.p.- good looking out on this!