thanks. We posters need to stick together and demand that something is done about this. Yeah they are only points but they are redeemable for cash and freeplays as well as other merchandise. I understand sbr gives them to us calling them "loyalty points" but does that make it ok to steal them back? I don't think it is OK!
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f the casino!Comment -
I will keep updates in this thread regarding my sbr complain form filed regarding the sbr casino. Nothing less than all my points lost on every wager placed there is acceptable.Comment -
At least allow us to block itComment -
Just stay away!!! It's not rigged but its dead on with crappy odds!Comment -
here is the response I recieved regarding the sportsbook complaint filed on the sbr casino...
I am sorry that you have not had luck in the SBR Casino. SBR doesn’t make the games, but uses the DGS software that is offered in many other trusted and well regarded casinos such as Bookmaker.com. I can assure you that there is no manipulation that anyone has done to the software, of course there’s an inherent edge in casino games but we’ve actually even increased payouts in games like Video Poker to tilt the odds toward the player.
It is intended to be a fun offering, if you aren’t having fun playing then maybe the sports or racebook, or SBR poker room is a better fit for you.
Best regards,
Lou
Obviously sbr has no problem ripping off sbr posters. Thanks sbr for all you offer but you really soured me with the casino scam your running. I will take your advice and stay away. As all should but that doesn't change the fact that your running a rip joint and are purposely stealing back points you give to us.Comment -
Why on Earth do people believe that Casinos should be *easy* to win!? I thought we were all here because we all know BETTING ON SPORTS IS VASTLY SUPERIOR TO BETTING AGAINST THE HOUSE!?Comment -
Doesn't make sense. Why would SBR rig the casino. It is ridiculous, they have no reason. The bottom line is you lose in casinos, all of them. Now, internet casinos they are rigged.
Mikail, you must be a conservative Republican because you want to abolish gambling just because you are unhappy.Comment -
Close the Race Book its fixed also
I keep getting nosed
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I like gambling dante. Gambling isn't my target here. I know casinos. I go to them often. I also know that online casinos are extremely rigged. Well atleast most of them, but the sbr points casino takes the cake. You are least likely to win there. Anything that decreases your chances of winning when you increase bet size is rigged. PLAIN AND SIMPLE!Comment -
WOW! I heard all of the negative comments about the casino so I went to check it out myself to see if it could actually be as bad as everyone says. You guys weren't kidding. What a joke that place is. I started by trying the offer of losing 10 hands in a row at blackjack. By my 25th hand I already had my ten in a row. The next day I tried 3 hands of blackjack at a time and magically the dealer got blackjack, 20 or 21 just about everytime. The craps table was back and forth for the first few hands until I decided to go with green chips on the numbers. 7-out,7-out,7-out,7-out. 800 points gone in like 10 minutes. Won't ever be using that again. I'm glad I lost the 10 hands in a row because at least I get $100 cash at a sportsbook (which was 1500 points) so I guess I'm a winner after all for losing everything at the SBR casino.
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WOW! I heard all of the negative comments about the casino so I went to check it out myself to see if it could actually be as bad as everyone says. You guys weren't kidding. What a joke that place is. I started by trying the offer of losing 10 hands in a row at blackjack. By my 25th hand I already had my ten in a row. The next day I tried 3 hands of blackjack at a time and magically the dealer got blackjack, 20 or 21 just about everytime. The craps table was back and forth for the first few hands until I decided to go with green chips on the numbers. 7-out,7-out,7-out,7-out. 800 points gone in like 10 minutes. Won't ever be using that again. I'm glad I lost the 10 hands in a row because at least I get $100 cash at a sportsbook (which was 1500 points) so I guess I'm a winner after all for losing everything at the SBR casino.
Is it possible that the default setting on that software is rigged? Maybe, SBR doesn't even know this. I know that is a long shot, just wondering if it is possible. I know for sure that most of the poker machines in bars and gambling joints are rigged. In my experience the owner of those machines that places them in the establishment usually gets 50% of the revenue and on most it is impossible to hit the jp. I know this 100%
I will tell you this and I am not a shill because I can't even play there any longer. The only internet casino that I can vouch for with certainty is bet365. I hit the jp royal flush with all coins in on the draw poker machine. And they paid. I would guess that any internet casino that is associated with a government regulated English establishment would be fair. Of course most of us can't play there. Hmm, government regulation and it is good for the player.???Comment -
The SBR casino is actually the fairest of any casino probably anywhere. The rules and payouts all favor the player. The casino is DGS software which has been tested and certified and is used by Bookmaker, 5Dimes and most of the top places. Fishhead got two royal flushes almost back to back a few days ago. A LOT of guys have won big in Blackjack. But I know when the bad beats come along and they always do in fast paced casino games that the normal reaction is to sing the someone done somebody wrong song.Comment -
if dont want to lose , dont play
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John, I do believe you. I don't think you have a valid reason to lie. However, the argument that those book casinos use that same software doesn't help to make your point. Obviously you know the software can be modified and any % of payout the book wants to pay can be arranged. I would wager my left eye that most of these books, even the big name books have their casinos rigged. I only play video poker because I know if you play with out making an error and on an honest machine you have a chance to win. I seldom hear anyone telling me they won big on almost any of the big name sports book casinos. Maybe some are honest, I know for sure that 365 is but I doubt very seriously that the unregulated casinos have 100% honest games. Probably less than 50%, maybe even much less.Comment -
It would be interesting to see if you had any hard evidence to support this claim.
If you think it is rigged go to the roulette wheel and spin it 10,000 times and record the results of each spin, if you come back and have solid evidence to support that certain numbers only hit 1% of the time when they should be hitting 2.78% of the time. You would now realize that the game may be rigged although as is the case with practically all casino games the odds are dictated by the true odds of occurrence meaning that in order for them to rig one bet type they would in turn be increasing the EV of another bet. So in order for the odds of success of the 00 decreasing would mean that the odds of success of the remaining numbers hitting would increase thereby offering you +EV on all other bets.
Online casinos operate using a RNG (random number generator) if you know anything about software development you would realize how complicated it would be to develop a program that could not only deal numbers randomly but also self adjust that pattern dependent on what numbers you are holding. This would be pointless to spend the time necessary to program because odds are already in the house's favor and they are guaranteed to profit and if they wanted to rob you more they could just adjust the payouts. No need to waste time and money programming software that cheats when they could simply adjust the odds to increase their advantage.
Many contributing factors to how quickly you lose in a casino.
1) Variance, simple bad runs that are mathematically guaranteed to occur.
2) Poor money management.
3) rate of play/hands per hour, increases the likelihood of variance catching you in the time frame.
4) too small of a sample of trials needed to allow for the probabilities to reflect what they should.
5) odds offered.Comment -
If you object to alcohol drinking to you start a petition to close a bar. No, you just don't visit the bar.Comment -
Agree with all of this with only one exception. They can be rigged and they are rigged. I proved it to a bunch of people at a gambling establishment that had a machine with multiple games. Not one person ever hit the jp. This machine also had a simulated horse racing game. 5 or 6 different horses and you would choose one or two make your bets and start the race. Nobody ever won. So I did an experiment. And this is true, 100% true. I gathered around a bunch of the guys and I said let's try this. I got a bunch of quarters and played every horse in the race but one. That one horse won the race. I did it again and this time the one horse I didn't play was the highest odds. That horse won the race. I did it again, same result. I did it again, same result. I did this at least 6 or 7 times and each time the one horse I did not play won the race. The odds of that happening that many times is astronomical.
And I have another reason that I know for sure they are rigged but I will keep that reason for a later date.Comment -
I am totally against this petition. If you guys think the casino is so bad, do not play in it. If you are so weak that you can not stop yourselves from playing in a place that you consider a ripoff, you have no business gambling. You guys make up a large portion on the 85% of the gamblers who are losers over a year's time. Obviously you guys who continue to lose your points in the casino have little, or no self control. No one holds a gun to your head. Grow up people. Just look at the number of SBR points that the guy who started this petition has.Comment -
Actually only DGS has the source code and that stays on their secure servers. The licensee's like SBR and Bookmaker only have the ability to change payout amounts and rules. We have set our payout rules as liberal as possible and have excellent payout schedules.
Online casinos, at least the big ones, resorting to cheating is a myth imo. There is no need to cheat, the casino is always going to win anyway.
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Actually only DGS has the source code and that stays on their secure servers. The licensee's like SBR and Bookmaker only have the ability to change payout amounts and rules. We have set our payout rules as liberal as possible and have excellent payout schedules.
Online casinos, at least the big ones, resorting to cheating is a myth imo. There is no need to cheat, the casino is always going to win anyway.
Well John you do have a very real motive for thinking and saying that online casinos are not rigged. They are, and I think you know they are. You certainly can't admit that openly because, well we know why.
I am the least likely person to believe in conspiracy theories. I believe in virtually none of them. However, I know these machines are rigged. I know from personal experience. I know from an experiment I conducted at a gambling establishment in my home city. I know because I was told face to face from the owner of the establishment. My God, this happened in Vegas. Don't you know that? The machines were rigged. Google it.
That said I doubt very much that SBR casino is rigged. In fact, I am quite sure it isn't. But, I am 100% positive that most unregulated casinos on the net are absolutely fixed.Comment -
Statistically speaking there is no way for you to know 100% without a doubt that a casino is rigged and even if one were to attempt to prove this it would require taking data from at the very least thousands of hands played for each individual game to prove this. Your prior example with the horse machine was not only too small of a sample to hold any significance but was also flawed in many other ways.
As John stated the software used by practically all online casinos is licensed from a separate company and in order for one books casino to be rigged they all would have to be rigged. As John stated each casino only has the option to adjust payouts as you will notice if you use 5Dimes casino the software is the same as all other books but they offer slightly better payouts decreasing the house hold% and increasing the players profitability.Comment -
No, I don't think you read my experiment properly? And I agree that experiment is not 100%. However, when one horse wins every single race and it is a different horse every single time, and every other horse in the race was played and they lost every single race well come on. You need not do that 1000 times to have very real concerns. I am not talking about a 50/50 event here. Add to that the fact that many times I did not play the horse that was 20 or 25 to one, and every single time that horse won. Are you understanding the implications of this experiment. How can a horse that is listed at 20 or 25 to one on a mechanical gambling machine win time after time after time when I played every other horse in the race? It can't happen, and for that to be chance, well you have to believe in the tooth fairy.Comment -
I did read your experiment properly
What is your statistics background?
If the consensus bureau told you that 0 out of 6 people have aids would you than conclude that aids no longer exists?
You are talking about a mechanical quarter machine here that you played 6 times and are concluding that all gambling machines and software are rigged based off of your test of 1 machine that takes .25 cent bets which you studied for a lengthy 3 minutes through 6 samples.
According to coca-cola 2 out of 3 people who were surveyed while standing in line purchasing a coca-cola said that they prefer coca-cola over pepsi.
there you have it coca-cola is the best soda 66% of the population prefers it.
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There were a lot of shady operators and if you noticed I said there are no "big" places that have cheating software. The tiny places know you are there for a single shot. Big places like Bookmaker and 5Dimes know that anything less than 1,000% fair would be insane. All the talking nellys in this industry?? Guys like Bookmaker's owner and Pinnacle and the rest who base their lives on honor are now going to deal a crooked blackjack game?? Not happening. The games are fair, still got to get very lucky to beat them but programmed and dealt completely fair.That said I doubt very much that SBR casino is rigged. In fact, I am quite sure it isn't. But, I am 100% positive that most unregulated casinos on the net are absolutely fixed.Comment -
its fun to blow some points in there sometimesComment -
I did read your experiment properly
What is your statistics background?
If the consensus bureau told you that 0 out of 6 people have aids would you than conclude that aids no longer exists?
You are talking about a mechanical quarter machine here that you played 6 times and are concluding that all gambling machines and software are rigged based off of your test of 1 machine that takes .25 cent bets which you studied for a lengthy 3 minutes through 6 samples.
According to coca-cola 2 out of 3 people who were surveyed while standing in line purchasing a coca-cola said that they prefer coca-cola over pepsi. there you have it coca-cola is the best soda 66% of the population prefers it.
I resent your implications and I resent your attitude. For your info although I do not have a statistical background I do have a few advanced degrees. And you do not understand the experiment or you would not make the comments you made. I do understand that the experiment is not 100%, of course I know this.
But, if I had to bet my life based on that experiment and I had no choice, I would go with rigged. And if you saw the experiment and have one brain cell in you skull you would go with rigged too.
Because I don't have a statistical background I am unable to calculate the exact odds of the one horse not being wagered on winning every single time when all of the other 5 horses are wagered. Not 3 or 4 times but closer to 6 or 7. One quarter was bet on every horse in the race except one. Do you understand that? EVERY HORSE. And every time the horse not played won the race, and many times that horse was the very heavy underdog. Now, I know for sure the chances of that even happening with those odds and that many times has got to be well over 1000 to one, much much higher probably. So yes, using that evidence I would bet that more likely than not they are rigged. Add to that fact that the owner of that establishment was my boss when I did the booking and told me the machine was rigged.Comment
