question for the bonus whore's

**rm18** · 01-23-06, 09:17 PM

probably everywhere except nine family

**tacomax** · 01-23-06, 09:33 PM

You mean betting opposite sides of a game at the same book?

**rm18** · 01-23-06, 09:43 PM

yeh thats what he means

**quarm_** · 01-23-06, 09:45 PM

no you cant do that...well you can try, but the book wont like you for sure heh.
Some books have a rule against that too

**tacomax** · 01-23-06, 09:47 PM

I'm presuming that a bonus is involved here due to the mention of rollover. I don't think it's a very smart move to take a bonus and then try and make the rollover by placing essentially risk free bets.

**jentude** · 01-23-06, 09:53 PM

thats why im asking, but even if i get the line at + 4 and -2?

**quarm_** · 01-23-06, 09:55 PM

its asking for trouble mate - even without a bonus involved many books will get pissed if you scalp both sides there lol

**magnavox** · 01-23-06, 09:57 PM

The Lewis family in action. And then they wonder why books give them such a hard time.

**tacomax** · 01-23-06, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by jentude

thats why im asking, but even if i get the line at + 4 and -2?

If you were betting on the same team at +4 and -2 then you would be OK as long as you don't circumnavigate the bet limits.

But if you're betting on opposite sides of a game while playing through a bonus then you're asking for trouble. If you think you can get away with then give it a go by all means.

BK · 01-23-06, 10:02 PM

Well, the whole reason for the rollover is for you to put your money up at risk.

With a situation like that, you're not risking anything. You are fully aware that you are automatically going to lose the juice. So you're not risking money, you are sacrificing a little bit of money to reach your rollover.

Now in a situation like you said, where you get the Underdog at +4 and the Favorite at -2 it's even worse. That's called middling out the line. You're betting a wager in which if the favorite wins by 3 you win on both the favorite and the dog.

Middling the line is looked at even worse than betting both sides to complete the rollover. I would suggest you not do it often enough for them to notice... or at all. At least not at the same book. You can middle out lines by placing the +4 at one book and the -2 at another.

**jentude** · 01-23-06, 10:03 PM

Well that was why i asked the question, i have a 2400 dollar rollover to do at bowmans, didnt know if that was legal or not thanks for the help guys.

**quarm_** · 01-23-06, 10:17 PM

the rules for scalping/middling are simple: dont draw too much attention to yourself.
Its not illegal, basically you can bet anything you want if they accept the wagers - but you point the finger on what you are doing

**aje** · 01-23-06, 10:23 PM

Bowmans! Did they start dealing you dual lines?

**jentude** · 01-23-06, 10:29 PM

no its just a question on whats allowed and whats not! I usually don't take a bonus put i did here. Didnt know what you could and couldnt

**aje** · 01-23-06, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by jentude

no its just a question on whats allowed and whats not! I usually don't take a bonus put i did here. Didnt know what you could and couldnt

"If anyone is found to be violating the spirit and intention of the promotion, Bowman International retains the right to close the account or to withdraw the bonus at their discretion."

"Bowman International reserves the right to refuse the reload bonus to any player they deem to be a professional."

**isetcap** · 01-24-06, 12:02 AM

A middle of that magnitude is a significant opportunity and if a book gave you difficulties for taking advantage of it then they are playschool. Give it a try and if they give you problems then blast them on the forum. I suspect SBR will take up your cause, especially since it's Bowman's to which you are referring.

**Doug** · 01-24-06, 02:06 AM

Depends on the book, should be fine at Pinny, Cris,Oly type of place. I'd take the other side at Skybook, Mansion, Pinny, etc. On rare occasion I'll do it at one book, you could always claim it was an error ( once), but not if done often. Why buy back at full juice ?

A place like Pinny doesn't care if you middle both sides with them ( but they don't give bonuses beyond sign-up).

A book really shouldn't care if you do this because in theory they get somebody matching your bet and they make vig.

I wouldn't pull it at a place like SIA... bet an NFL fav early -6.5 -110, and come back at +7, or +7.5 +105 late.

It's sort of impolite to bet both ends at same shop ( with bonus), but acceptable without the bonus, IMO ! If a book doesn't want to let you change your mind and get out of a position by betting the other side they aren't a very good book to play at.

**raiders72001** · 01-24-06, 02:58 AM

Don't ever do that. It's the easiest way to have your funds confiscated. Also don't do that with a friend in the same book. It's easy to figure out when two guys have bonuses and are on the opposite side of every game. This is why books hate bonus whores and I call them bottom feeders.

There are guys here that do that stuff then cry to SBR when their funds get taken away. Most of the problems for SBR are from the scalping bonus whore types and I shed no tears for these guys that lose their money.

**raiders72001** · 01-24-06, 03:00 AM

Doug makes some great points. Pinny doesn't care what you do. It's also bad etiquette and this is another thing that can come back to haunt you down the road.

**marc** · 01-24-06, 10:08 AM

WHat you definitely should not do is bet both sides of the money line. For instance if you bet the fav early on at -170, and then later in the day you see the dog at +170, betting the +170 would be a big mistake.

Middling a book is usually considered bad ettiqutte, but it's not something where they would say that you are abusing the bonus. Middiling can be exspensive, and if you don't hit the middle, the book will get all of its money back plus some. But the message you are sending the book that you are not a "recreational" player. And definitely check the rules first. Some books do have rules aganst betting both sides. I think VIP has rule that you can bet both sides, but it won't count towards the roll

**pags11** · 01-24-06, 03:51 PM

I agree it's not in good taste to middle the same book...