I like this guy. Not trying to rag on him.
Lost 14 in a row. How tough is it to beat the #?
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I like this guy. Not trying to rag on him.
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Is he in good health these days? He never appears on the WT shows anymore.
Guy is still a boss. Bad streaks can and do happen to anyone who does this for any length of time.Comment -
Cokin is 71 years old and barreled in. Doesn’t leave his house much these days.Comment -
OK so he’s not a volume guy he’s in a slump as you mentioned. I know a professional gambler who bets over 10 games a day in college basketball on average. He went 1-11 yesterday, but he’s 941-752 on the season all documented so no big deal for him. His average juice is around -120 …Last edited by DonnieBrasco23; 02-01-24, 05:37 PM.Comment -
If I lost 14 best bets in a row that would BURY ME. At some point I wanna be a high-volume guy, but I gotta have the right amount of bankroll to make it worth my time I feel. 100K is the goal long way from that, though. I don’t average one bet a day per month, to put what I said into some perspective.Comment -
I'm stunned that a scamdicapper like him would even admit to losing a bet.Comment -
Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?Comment -
He broke it:
2% – Hampton +4.5 (-110)Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?Comment -
Smokin Joe is actually one of the good guy's in the tout industry.Comment -
There has never been a more fade material tout than CHUCK LUCK - MCDOWELL. I spent hours on end recalling his 800 number falling to the floor laughing. I called recently and his last pick was either last nfl season or before on the recorded line. I even heard he was sued or arrested for scamming someone in his timeshare business.
lmfaoComment -
Nah, Cokin is old school. He's not deferring to anything computer generated. In his defense, none of those plays were big swings. You're talking 2% and 3% type plays and the golfer picks were only half percent to 1% so he's not obliterating his bankroll or anything. He's using good management and just hit a cold spell like anyone else.Comment -
Used to enjoy listening to Cokin on the local Las Vegas AM sports talk when I lived out there...he is entertainingComment -
Seriously? Plenty of clowns have lasted 20+ years by scamming. I remember reading magazines back in the 80's that featured scamdicappers and 20 years later they were still around. Ed Horowitz, Chip Chirimbes, Mike Warren, Stu Feiner, Jim Feist, etc. I use wagertalk to view odds and every single ad they have brags that (fill in the blank) is "25-9 in the last two weeks, buy now."Comment -
I've written a good bit about Cokin over the years on the various msg-boards. I can say a few things:
1) I respect him in the sense that he started as a real handicapper. He was always working to identify an edge.
2) On the old Proline shows, he would present his actual tickets (from a long lens) to show that he was betting his games.
...Some of the ticket-writers ratted him out. They said that he was a small-time bettor playing $10 to $20 per game.
3) He did the radio shows along with the betting.
...He felt like that gave him an advantage. He got to know the coaches. He felt like he could sense a good time to be on/against a certain team.
4) One thing about sports-handicapping. You need to know your niche.
...I don't think it's crazy to think a bettor can be +EV in a certain sport. He might know that sport better than the oddsmaker.
...In Cokin's case, I'd say that was Coll FB/Bask, MLB and NHL. He knew a lot about these sports.
...Even by his own admission, he wasn't beating the modern-line on NFL/NBA. But he'd sometimes release plays on those sports as part of his package.
5) The radio shows were telling. You can't fake knowledge over that many hours.
...He made a comment about sports-handicapping. "You have to be prepared to work at it."
...And he's exactly right. If you think you just show up, bet and collect...you're kidding yourself.Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?Comment -
Don't know Chucky...have not listened to local LV sports talk since 2016 when I left
Yes sir, agreed that was a great era for local LV sports talk...that is where Paulie and Mitch Moss made their names
I'm sure you have heard Paulie's story of his ex gf that he wouldn't marry that hit the Megabucks jackpot to the tune of around 10 million? Very entertaining listen from Paulie if you haven't heard it before...Comment -
So they exist, but I wouldn't put Cokin in that class of scammers. From the sounds of it, you're just painting everyone with a broad brush. Anyone who's ever sold a pick is a "scamdicapper" to you. I'm not sure that checks out.
And as for the guys you mentioned, I don't ever hear those names anymore except for maybe Feist.Comment -
According to the wagertalk website, Cokin is #1 all-time among their "staff" in college football and golf profits and #2 all-time in NHL profits, this despite the fact that the profile of every one of their "handicappers" brags about huge winnings. Do you seriously believe that?Comment -
Horse, I think you're correct on both accounts:
1) When they quote all-time Records, I think that's documented. Has to tie out to the ledger.
...Yes, I think Cokin has a track record of success in NHL.
2) The capper bio invariably builds up his selective winning categories.
...You are correct in seeing thru that mirage. That's hand-picked based on where they ran good.
The proof in the pudding comes when these guys have to post their Calendar Year net +/-:
...I know that Cokin was +100 units in 2022. IE, if you start with $100,000 BR and bet 1% per unit, you would have doubled your $$ and finished at $200,000 BR. Net Units of +100 (and ROI of +4%) put him in top 3 at that site.
...Not sure I saw a Cokin figure for 2023. But he likely gave back at least some of that $.Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?Comment -
Okay; if you really believe that he's a long term winner, start a thread specific to his plays and post them and we'll track them right here.Comment -
Drunk Horse obviously got reamed by some fly by night hamburger in the past and the mere mention of any handicapper's name triggers an emotional reflex.
If you're so adamant that it's impossible to win, then why bother with it at all?Comment -
I've never paid for a pick in my life. It's possible to win but touts aren't going to do it.Comment
