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    Brooks Robinson, RIP

    This is a tough one.

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    Human Vacuum Cleaner = best nickname ever.
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    If you want to see a guy put on a show, watch the highlights of the 1970 World Series. Reds literally couldn't get a ball past him.


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    Winner. Rest in Peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckyTheGoat View Post
    Human Vacuum Cleaner = best nickname ever.
    16 consecutive gold gloves. Thatís an amazing feat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckyTheGoat View Post
    Human Vacuum Cleaner = best nickname ever.
    Brooks Robinson - Great baseball player and character.

    Brooks made MLB history by winning 16 straight Gold Gloves at third base.

    RIP

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    Quote Originally Posted by 19th Hole View Post

    Brooks Robinson - Great baseball player and character.

    Brooks made MLB history by winning 16 straight Gold Gloves at third base.

    RIP
    Yes, 19th Hole. Kurkjian references it in his video.

    Brooks was truly REVERED in Baltimore.

    I've studied a lot of the old baseball teams. I really think the 1970 Oriole team was the best DEFENSIVE team ever.

    They're at least on the short-list (of best defensive teams). Every pitcher on the staff benefited from the plays made behind them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckyTheGoat View Post
    Yes, 19th Hole. Kurkjian references it in his video.

    Brooks was truly REVERED in Baltimore.

    I've studied a lot of the old baseball teams. I really think the 1970 Oriole team was the best DEFENSIVE team ever.

    They're at least on the short-list (of best defensive teams). Every pitcher on the staff benefited from the plays made behind them.
    Is that the year they had four 20 game winners? The 70's is all a blur to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOA12 View Post
    Is that the year they had four 20 game winners? The 70's is all a blur to me.
    The next year sir. 1971.


    Brooks Robinson. All you had to do was say his name to infer the benchmark of excellence.

    Great great baseball player. Great person.

    Your right Chucky. This one is especially tough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by str View Post
    The next year sir. 1971.


    Brooks Robinson. All you had to do was say his name to infer the benchmark of excellence.

    Great great baseball player. Great person.

    Your right Chucky. This one is especially tough.
    Ten4 str, your knowledge and memory are legendary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by str View Post
    The next year sir. 1971.


    Brooks Robinson. All you had to do was say his name to infer the benchmark of excellence.

    Great great baseball player. Great person.

    Your right Chucky. This one is especially tough.
    Salud, str. Tough day for Orioles fan.

    I attached the link to the 1970 World Series highlights. What a performance.

    Brooks Robinson in Baltimore. The only Player/City association that might be close = Clemente in Pittsburgh.

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    Since I'm going down the rabbit-hole on old Oriole teams, I'll echo my thoughts on the Oriole teams from late 60s/early 70s as the best Defensive team ever:

    *3b: Brooks Robinson.
    *SS: Mark Belanger. Gold Glove quality defensive player - great hands.
    *CF: Paul Blair. Gold Glover - they said his range was amazing. Covered alley to alley.
    *2B: Davey Johnson (and later Bobby Grich). BALT actually had TWO Gold Glove quality 2nd basemen. Johnson won the Gold Glove. Grich was a young player who emerged, eventually made Johnson expendable.

    ...They made so many plays behind the pitcher. The whole staff had good numbers, largely b/c of the defense.
    ...As good as Jim Palmer was, he owes about 0.30 on his ERA to the defense behind him.

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    Picked up an interesting note on that video:
    *Orioles had 40 one-run victories that season (1970).

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    I'm just talking defense now but Davey Johnson and Derek Jeter were very similar.
    Both won gold gloves, both were middle infielders, both made practically every play on balls hit their way despite, I don't want to say both were lacking in range, but it's accurate to say both had mediocre range.

    RF (range factor) can be a misleading advanced defensive statistic.
    Case in point, Gary Templeton had excellent range, could go in the hole and reach most any hit ball, but was a freaking butcher with the ball once he got to it.
    Templeton was a brutal fielding SS, made 40 errors one season at SS, it's one thing to be able to gobble up balls that most middle infielders can only dream about reaching, but if you're going to throw it away, then what good is all the range?

    One of the greatest hitters of our generation, more like my daddy's generation, Rod Carew, was such an awful fielding middle infielder (2B) that Minnesota was forced to move him off of second base, and became a part time first baseman/part time DH

    Brooks was the greatest even defensive third baseman that ever lived.
    Michael Jack Schmidt was the greatest third baseman that ever lived however.
    What most people don't remember is Schmidt won gold at third for ten seasons, nine consecutive, that's how good Brooks was a defender, he made people forget just how great a fielder Schmidt was.
    Nettles too

    You know, if the creek don't rise and the sun don't fry, check back in a decade and we can lump Nolan Arenado on that list of one of the GOAT's that ever played the hot corner.

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    ah so many greats have passed on ... some retired but our secratary of defnse is still alive what a mo fo he was gary maddox


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    Nashy, that's a great post.

    *Third base is very tough position. Nettles is one of the few that can hold a candle to Brooks for artistic quality.

    In 1978 Nettles also put on a defensive clinic. Nettles is on my short-list of underrated players. For longevity and achievement, he gets overlooked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    I'm just talking defense now but Davey Johnson and Derek Jeter were very similar.
    Both won gold gloves, both were middle infielders, both made practically every play on balls hit their way despite, I don't want to say both were lacking in range, but it's accurate to say both had mediocre range.

    RF (range factor) can be a misleading advanced defensive statistic.
    Case in point, Gary Templeton had excellent range, could go in the hole and reach most any hit ball, but was a freaking butcher with the ball once he got to it.
    Templeton was a brutal fielding SS, made 40 errors one season at SS, it's one thing to be able to gobble up balls that most middle infielders can only dream about reaching, but if you're going to throw it away, then what good is all the range?

    One of the greatest hitters of our generation, more like my daddy's generation, Rod Carew, was such an awful fielding middle infielder (2B) that Minnesota was forced to move him off of second base, and became a part time first baseman/part time DH

    Brooks was the greatest even defensive third baseman that ever lived.
    Michael Jack Schmidt was the greatest third baseman that ever lived however.
    What most people don't remember is Schmidt won gold at third for ten seasons, nine consecutive, that's how good Brooks was a defender, he made people forget just how great a fielder Schmidt was.
    Nettles too

    You know, if the creek don't rise and the sun don't fry, check back in a decade and we can lump Nolan Arenado on that list of one of the GOAT's that ever played the hot corner.
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    Nash
    Great post.
    Informative and humorous read.
    Thank you for bringing Schmidt into the mix for perspective.
    I have one eye open for Arenado.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    I'm just talking defense now but Davey Johnson and Derek Jeter were very similar.
    Both won gold gloves, both were middle infielders, both made practically every play on balls hit their way despite, I don't want to say both were lacking in range, but it's accurate to say both had mediocre range.

    RF (range factor) can be a misleading advanced defensive statistic.
    Case in point, Gary Templeton had excellent range, could go in the hole and reach most any hit ball, but was a freaking butcher with the ball once he got to it.
    Templeton was a brutal fielding SS, made 40 errors one season at SS, it's one thing to be able to gobble up balls that most middle infielders can only dream about reaching, but if you're going to throw it away, then what good is all the range?

    One of the greatest hitters of our generation, more like my daddy's generation, Rod Carew, was such an awful fielding middle infielder (2B) that Minnesota was forced to move him off of second base, and became a part time first baseman/part time DH

    Brooks was the greatest even defensive third baseman that ever lived.
    Michael Jack Schmidt was the greatest third baseman that ever lived however.
    What most people don't remember is Schmidt won gold at third for ten seasons, nine consecutive, that's how good Brooks was a defender, he made people forget just how great a fielder Schmidt was.
    Nettles too

    You know, if the creek don't rise and the sun don't fry, check back in a decade and we can lump Nolan Arenado on that list of one of the GOAT's that ever played the hot corner.
    Mike Schmidt was my favorite Cub killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 19th Hole View Post
    ~~~

    Nash
    Great post.
    Informative and humorous read.

    Thank you for bringing Schmidt into the mix for perspective.
    I have one eye open for Arenado.
    Thank you ever so much for those words.
    Appreciate that, and appreciate you.

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    With the passing of the legendary Brooks Robinson, and all the talk of the some of the all time great defenders in this thread prompted me to dust off the databases I have at my disposal and learned some uncanny fun facts.

    This one totally blew me away.

    From 1962 until 1975 the only American League Rawlings Gold Glove Award winner for pitchers was Jim Kaat.

    Same fourteen year span from 1962-1975 the only American League Rawlings Gold Glove Award winner for third basemen was Brooks Robinson.

    Here's the irony.
    When Jim Kaat switched over to the National League in 1975 Jim Palmer won the Gold Glove for American League pitchers, Palmer was one of Brooks Robinson's closest friends, if not the closest.

    File that fun fact under the "Truth is stranger than fiction"

    Not for nothing, Kaat won two more Gold Gloves in 1975-1976 pitching for the NL Phillies, retired from the game after the 1976 season thus ending his remarkable string of sixteen consecutive Gold Gloves.

    Here's another equally remarkable fun fact.
    From 1990 to 2008 Greg Maddux won the National League Gold Glove Award for pitchers 18 of those 19 years.
    If Maddux won Gold in 2003 we'd be talking about Maddux, not Kaat,

    Trivia.
    What NL pitcher won the Gold Glove in 2003 snapping Maddux string at 13 consecutive
    I had to look that up, I never would have guessed it,

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    I'll guess: *Lincecum?

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    Hampton, Braves.

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    Was Grienke playing then? If so it may have been him

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Hampton, Braves.
    Great trivia question nash. I admit had to google it but Mike Hampton won the pitcher’s gold glove in 2003. And that’s not easy for a lefty to do. Won consistently wagering on Maddux because although not overpowering he could hit his target with precision on the black both sides of the plate. Maddux was money.

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    Used to listen to Orioles games on my transistor radio as I fell asleep when a kid. Brooks was a very “clutch hitter”. The guy always had fantastic ABs with ducks on the pond.
    TRUTH!

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