Panthers trade up to first overall pick

[DiggityDaggityDo]

Bears get two firsts, two seconds, D.J. Moore

[asiagambler]

WOW. Do they want Richardson ?

[d2bets]

WOW. Do they want Richardson ?

Would Carolina really need to trade up to #1 to take Richardson? Now they'll have a QB (maybe) and they lose their best receiver a bunch of picks. They will regret. Great haul for the Bears.

I would assume they are taking Young.

[asiagambler]

Would Carolina really need to trade up to #1 to take Richardson? Now they'll have a QB (maybe) and they lose their best receiver a bunch of picks. They will regret. Great haul for the Bears.

I would assume they are taking Young.

I haven't really been following but... I'm pretty sure they want Richardson. Crazy how much they gave up... just a massive haul for Chicago

[d2bets]

I haven't really been following but... I'm pretty sure they want Richardson. Crazy how much they gave up... just a massive haul for Chicago

Yeah, and a rookie QB without receivers...Carolina will likely be bottom-feeders. That first rounder next year will probably be top 5.

[asiagambler]

Yeah, and a rookie QB without receivers...Carolina will likely be bottom-feeders. That first rounder next year will probably be top 5.

I think I remember hearing Bears' asking price was 3 first rounders and... I think this is even better. Moore is a legitimate WR1, still young and 3 years remaining on a very reasonable deal

That Texans' 2 point conversion made this all possible

[TheGoldenGoose]

da Bears. Nice haul.

[GunShard]

Panthers skipped on Kenny Pickett in last years draft. Interesting they did it now.

[Mike78]

Draft props have been taken down at all my books, so I can't verify this. But VSIN just said that Stroud has moved from +200 to -200 as being the first pick. Young has gone from -250 or so to plus money.

[stevenash]

I read in The Athletic last month that Fields was bitching a moaning about how the winter Chicago weather is not conducive to his style of play (or something to that effect)

Personally speaking, I don't want players like that.
Adjust and adapt or STFU is what I say, but then again I say a lot of things.

You know who could play in brutal winter weather?
Guys like Terry Bradshaw, Favre, Big Ben, Aaron Rodger, Eli, Josh Allen, Jim Kelly, Mahomes, and that Brady fella.
Seems to me they adapted and adjusted.

The long list of Bears QB failures continues.
Amazing how they've never had a great QB, no less a good one.
Bears defense carried Jim McMahon who was mediocre at best, Jay Cutler was not.

Think about it, name a noteworthy Bears QB that was really good not named Sid Luckman, win valuable prizes.

[GunShard]

The Bears had a chance to draft Patrick Mahomes. They missed out on an elite quarterback.

[jackpot269]

I read in The Athletic last month that Fields was bitching a moaning about how the winter Chicago weather is not conducive to his style of play (or something to that effect)

Personally speaking, I don't want players like that.
Adjust and adapt or STFU is what I say, but then again I say a lot of things.

You know who could play in brutal winter weather?
Guys like Terry Bradshaw, Favre, Big Ben, Aaron Rodger, Eli, Josh Allen, Jim Kelly, Mahomes, and that Brady fella.
Seems to me they adapted and adjusted.

The long list of Bears QB failures continues.
Amazing how they've never had a great QB, no less a good one.
Bears defense carried Jim McMahon who was mediocre at best, Jay Cutler was not.

Think about it, name a noteworthy Bears QB that was really good not named Sid Luckman, win valuable prizes.

1. Sid Luckman, 1939-1950

2. Jay Cutler, 2009-2016

3. Jim McMahon, 1982-1988

4. Jim Harbaugh, 1987-1993

5. Erik Kramer, 1994-1998

[ex50warrior]

I think I remember hearing Bears' asking price was 3 first rounders and... I think this is even better. Moore is a legitimate WR1, still young and 3 years remaining on a very reasonable deal

That Texans' 2 point conversion made this all possible

Yep, that could be the Texans raking in that haul.

[Easy-Rider 66]

WOW. Do they want Richardson ?

NO way Car takes Richardson IMO. too Risky. Thinking either Young or Stroud.

[Otters27]

The Bears had a chance to draft Patrick Mahomes. They missed out on an elite quarterback.

Andy helped make mahomes. Letting him be more like a point guard.

I think McDaniel would kill it with Mahomes

[d2bets]

NO way Car takes Richardson IMO. too Risky. Thinking either Young or Stroud.

Word is they like Stroud.

I guess they figured that Young and Stroud would go top 2 and Houston wasn't going to trade the pick, so if they wanted him they had to move to 1.

[Easy-Rider 66]

Word is they like Stroud.

I guess they figured that Young and Stroud would go top 2 and Houston wasn't going to trade the pick, so if they wanted him they had to move to 1.

OK THX for the info.

[stevenash]

The combine gurus that I pay attention to are pretty much saying not only is Stroud NFL ready right now, he's got the potential to be the next big thing one scout said, I'm reading he's doing some eye popping things.

I'm not sure Eberflus is the correct head coach for Stroud though.
Eberflus is a defensive minded coach, he was linebacker for those good Toledo teams in the MAAC in the 90's.
Bears need offense, defense doesn't win anymore like the 1985 Bears and the 1986 Giants.


Look around the league now, what's the common denominator?
Teams with strong offensive minded head coaches are winning all the hardware these days.
Coaches like Dabol for instance, look at what he did for Allen in Buffalo and Daniel Jones for the Giants, a big reason why many are saying (me included) the game has passed Bill Belichick by, Belichick still thinks ball control and defense still wins, it does not.

Bears need an offense guru HC, not another defense specialist.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Draft props have been taken down at all my books, so I can't verify this. But VSIN just said that Stroud has moved from +200 to -200 as being the first pick. Young has gone from -250 or so to plus money.

Very interesting:

*Stroud played very well vs Georgia.
*Will always be a question about Bryce Young's size. Alabama was very lacking in Big Plays this past year.

[manny24]

any Blowjob Taylor (UCF) projections ?!??!?!?!?!!?!?!?

[BOA12]

I read in The Athletic last month that Fields was bitching a moaning about how the winter Chicago weather is not conducive to his style of play (or something to that effect)

Personally speaking, I don't want players like that.
Adjust and adapt or STFU is what I say, but then again I say a lot of things.

You know who could play in brutal winter weather?
Guys like Terry Bradshaw, Favre, Big Ben, Aaron Rodger, Eli, Josh Allen, Jim Kelly, Mahomes, and that Brady fella.
Seems to me they adapted and adjusted.

The long list of Bears QB failures continues.
Amazing how they've never had a great QB, no less a good one.
Bears defense carried Jim McMahon who was mediocre at best, Jay Cutler was not.

Think about it, name a noteworthy Bears QB that was really good not named Sid Luckman, win valuable prizes.

The wrong team left Chicago. I'm not a big Fields fan. If memory serves me, they had a chance to draft Bradshaw. Bears QB "failures" would be considered an upgrade to me.

[BOA12]

1. Sid Luckman, 1939-1950

2. Jay Cutler, 2009-2016


3. Jim McMahon, 1982-1988

4. Jim Harbaugh, 1987-1993

5. Erik Kramer, 1994-1998

My favorite was Kramer, wasn't born when Luckman played.

[lakerboy]

I read in The Athletic last month that Fields was bitching a moaning about how the winter Chicago weather is not conducive to his style of play (or something to that effect)

Personally speaking, I don't want players like that.
Adjust and adapt or STFU is what I say, but then again I say a lot of things.

You know who could play in brutal winter weather?
Guys like Terry Bradshaw, Favre, Big Ben, Aaron Rodger, Eli, Josh Allen, Jim Kelly, Mahomes, and that Brady fella.
Seems to me they adapted and adjusted.

The long list of Bears QB failures continues.
Amazing how they've never had a great QB, no less a good one.
Bears defense carried Jim McMahon who was mediocre at best, Jay Cutler was not.

Think about it, name a noteworthy Bears QB that was really good not named Sid Luckman, win valuable prizes.

How dare you tell a man of color to STFU?

I'm very offended.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Panthers will take Stroud and he will struggle.

[d2bets]

The combine gurus that I pay attention to are pretty much saying not only is Stroud NFL ready right now, he's got the potential to be the next big thing one scout said, I'm reading he's doing some eye popping things.

I'm not sure Eberflus is the correct head coach for Stroud though.
Eberflus is a defensive minded coach, he was linebacker for those good Toledo teams in the MAAC in the 90's.
Bears need offense, defense doesn't win anymore like the 1985 Bears and the 1986 Giants.


Look around the league now, what's the common denominator?
Teams with strong offensive minded head coaches are winning all the hardware these days.
Coaches like Dabol for instance, look at what he did for Allen in Buffalo and Daniel Jones for the Giants, a big reason why many are saying (me included) the game has passed Bill Belichick by, Belichick still thinks ball control and defense still wins, it does not.

Bears need an offense guru HC, not another defense specialist.

Carolina is going to draft Stroud, no the Bears. Regardless though, the HC doesn't necessarily matter that much for the QB. More about the OC.

[d2bets]

Panthers will take Stroud and he will struggle.

Who is he going to throw the ball to now that they traded their best WR?

I think Stroud will eventually be good, but Carolina won't be good next season. And they really made it tough trading away all those picks.

[asiagambler]

NO way Car takes Richardson IMO. too Risky. Thinking either Young or Stroud.

I think it's a smokescreen. They want another Cam Newton

This might just be a way to find out who really wants Stroud and they can re-trade the pick

Young, I don't think is in the picture at all. It'd be either Richardson or Stroud

[Covering the #]

Who is he going to throw the ball to now that they traded their best WR?

I think Stroud will eventually be good, but Carolina won't be good next season. And they really made it tough trading away all those picks.

I already said this awhile back, but when the Panthers hired Frank Reich, it looked like an intention to tank a few more years. Not sure the direction of their franchise, but nobody in their division is going to win a playoff game anytime soon. I'm going to guess Carolina isn't interested in winning for the next few years until they get more pieces in place, which will be 3 years minimum. Reich will be replaced by then.

[d2bets]

I already said this awhile back, but when the Panthers hired Frank Reich, it looked like an intention to tank a few more years. Not sure the direction of their franchise, but nobody in their division is going to win a playoff game anytime soon. I'm going to guess Carolina isn't interested in winning for the next few years until they get more pieces in place, which will be 3 years minimum. Reich will be replaced by then.

If that was the case then why in the hell would they trade their 2024 #1 and 2025 #2? That doesn't mesh.

[JIBBBY]

Panthers suck. Cam Newton sucked with that experiment. Their coaching and drafting players suck. Be shocked if they make the playoffs next year.

[Covering the #]

If that was the case then why in the hell would they trade their 2024 #1 and 2025 #2? That doesn't mesh.

I'm guessing whoever they draft this year would be their QB of the future, but won't play him much this year and let Darnold or whoever lead this offensive challenged team to the cellar for the next year or two. They don't want to win next couple of years so missing those high draft picks next couple years is probably part of the plan to ensure it.

[d2bets]

I'm guessing whoever they draft this year would be their QB of the future, but won't play him much this year and let Darnold or whoever lead this offensive challenged team to the cellar for the next year or two. They don't want to win next couple of years so missing those high draft picks next couple years is probably part of the plan to ensure it.

That's a weird ass "plan".

[ChuckyTheGoat]

I'm guessing whoever they draft this year would be their QB of the future, but won't play him much this year and let Darnold or whoever lead this offensive challenged team to the cellar for the next year or two. They don't want to win next couple of years so missing those high draft picks next couple years is probably part of the plan to ensure it.

I think you could be on to something here. Never know about these decisions:

*Why not just keep Wilks?

It's crazy to me. Team showed more life under the interim coach. If the players respect him, just keep Wilks.

If they had kept Wilks, they could easily dispose of him if they have a bad season. Is Stroud that much of a prospect to make this deal? Wonder where this trade rates on the old Jimmy Johnson conversion chart.

[Covering the #]

That's a weird ass "plan".

It probably is, but why else did they trade McCaffrey and Moore and hire Reich? That tells you all you need to know for the next few years.

[Covering the #]

I think you could be on to something here. Never know about these decisions:

*Why not just keep Wilks?

It's crazy to me. Team showed more life under the interim coach. If the players respect him, just keep Wilks.

If they had kept Wilks, they could easily dispose of him if they have a bad season. Is Stroud that much of a prospect to make this deal? Wonder where this trade rates on the old Jimmy Johnson conversion chart.

I agree they should have kept Wilks, but as I've tried to convey, they don't want to win the next few years.