1. 01-19-23 11:27 AM #1
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    Will Pinnacle Try And Get In USA??

    No idea how they got into Canada
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  2. 01-19-23 11:31 AM #2
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    I'd assume they'd want to, but they longer they wait the harder it gets.

    The difference in USA is it's not a county thing. Every state is unique. The best states are already saturated.
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  3. 01-19-23 02:56 PM #3
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    D2 correct
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  4. 01-19-23 03:00 PM #4
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    They were in Canada from the start, they voluntarily left the US
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  5. 01-20-23 02:42 AM #5
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    I'd guess more likely to offer B2B services to other operators if they can get that sort of license.
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  6. 01-20-23 09:53 AM #6
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    Even if they did, better options for USA citizens

    Great book no question about it, but overrated by most recreational players.
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  7. 01-20-23 12:39 PM #7
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    Fisher yes

    Its not beatable either
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  8. 01-20-23 01:07 PM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishhead View Post
    Even if they did, better options for USA citizens

    Great book no question about it, but overrated by most recreational players.
    If pinnacle hung -3.5 on SF this weekend, every book in the world would eventually follow them
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  9. 01-20-23 02:27 PM #9
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    With the way taxes are set up in a lot of states they wouldn't be able to operate with the same margins that they currently do. I guess they could bump vig up or something in a specific state, but they'll be forced to hold a higher % than they currently do in lots of places.
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  10. 01-20-23 03:40 PM #10
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    Everyone copies 3 books
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  11. 01-20-23 04:30 PM #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by weeminer View Post
    With the way taxes are set up in a lot of states they wouldn't be able to operate with the same margins that they currently do. I guess they could bump vig up or something in a specific state, but they'll be forced to hold a higher % than they currently do in lots of places.
    Guess you don't have an account there. Margins are the same as most books out there, and even worse than some. Here is a current sample of tonight's College Baskets. See for yourself...

    00 PM 889 VCU +1.5-108 +103 Over 131-118 +Props
    Live! 890 Richmond -1.5-112 -124 Under 131-106
    20:00 PM 891 Villanova +4-112 +146 Over 150-121
    Live! 892 St. John's -4-108 -179 Under 150-104
    21:30 PM 893 Toledo -5-109 -217 Over 168.5-117
    Live! 894 Buffalo +5-111 +175 Under 168.5-107
    20:00 PM 306533 Central Connecticut +4.5-109 +157 Over 124.5-113
    Live! 306534 Wagner -4.5-111 -192 Under 124.5-111
    20:00 PM 306535 Stonehill -5.5-108 -237 Over 145-108
    Live! 306536 Long Island +5.5-112
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  12. 01-20-23 05:10 PM #12
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    Who's lines are those?
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  13. 01-20-23 09:37 PM #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooklyn Dick View Post

    Guess you don't have an account there. Margins are the same as most books out there, and even worse than some. Here is a current sample of tonight's College Baskets. See for yourself...

    00 PM 889 VCU +1.5-108 +103 Over 131-118 +Props
    Live! 890 Richmond -1.5-112 -124 Under 131-106
    20:00 PM 891 Villanova +4-112 +146 Over 150-121
    Live! 892 St. John's -4-108 -179 Under 150-104
    21:30 PM 893 Toledo -5-109 -217 Over 168.5-117
    Live! 894 Buffalo +5-111 +175 Under 168.5-107
    20:00 PM 306533 Central Connecticut +4.5-109 +157 Over 124.5-113
    Live! 306534 Wagner -4.5-111 -192 Under 124.5-111
    20:00 PM 306535 Stonehill -5.5-108 -237 Over 145-108
    Live! 306536 Long Island +5.5-112
    Every regular Pinny user knows their LIVE betting is below average.


    Talking about pre-match lines.
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  14. 01-21-23 05:52 AM #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Who's lines are those?
    Copied and paste from my Pinnacle account.
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  15. 01-21-23 05:55 AM #15
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    OK you want pre game odds. These are copied direct from Pinnacle at the time I am posting. Note the spread and now the current limit is a dime. ....Look at the spread on totals. Not even a 10 cent line. And the limit on totals is 500.

    And these are obviously Pre Game lines even though it says Live. Check for yourself the start times and my post time...

    All wager amounts are:
    Risk
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    Green - Recently added / Red - Just changed / Orange - Changed 60s ago / Blue - Changed more than 60s ago
    01/21
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    Game Handicap Moneyline Total

    13:00 PM 601 Mississippi +9-113 Over 138.5-113 +Props
    Live! 602 Arkansas -9-107 Under 138.5-111
    13:00 PM 603 Detroit -13-106 Over 143.5-110
    Live! 604 IUPUI +13-114 Under 143.5-114
    13:00 PM 605 Miami Florida +5.5-106 Over 148.5-103 +Props
    Live! 606 Duke -5.5-114 Under 148.5-122
    13:00 PM 607 College Of Charleston -8-112 Over 144-109
    Live! 608 Northeastern +8-108 Under 144-115
    13:00 PM 609 Syracuse -2.5-118 Over 143-112 +Props
    Live! 610 Georgia Tech +2.5-103
    Last edited by Brooklyn Dick; 01-21-23 at 06:00 AM.
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  16. 01-21-23 06:06 AM #16
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    Looks like Pinnacle taking Euro model
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  17. 01-21-23 08:06 AM #17
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    told you guys this about 3 months ago. No one listens here thats the problem
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  18. 01-21-23 08:20 AM #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by biggie12 View Post
    told you guys this about 3 months ago. No one listens here thats the problem
    That is the reason I copied and pasted it directly from my account. They all can read.
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  19. 01-21-23 08:53 AM #19
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    Even with no vig Pinnacle, can often and most times find better lines/odds elsewhere.

    PINNY great for non-USA sports and for taking big action on major USA sports.

    Otherwise, overrated.
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  20. 01-21-23 09:13 AM #20
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    Marathonbet could of given pinny a run for there money but they also scared now and wont take any big action. They used to best pinny lines by 4-5 cents on most events.
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  21. 01-21-23 09:25 AM #21
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    Pinnacle is better for non-USA sport good point Fisher
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  22. 01-21-23 10:19 AM #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooklyn Dick View Post
    OK you want pre game odds. These are copied direct from Pinnacle at the time I am posting. Note the spread and now the current limit is a dime. ....Look at the spread on totals. Not even a 10 cent line. And the limit on totals is 500.

    And these are obviously Pre Game lines even though it says Live. Check for yourself the start times and my post time...

    All wager amounts are:
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    Green - Recently added / Red - Just changed / Orange - Changed 60s ago / Blue - Changed more than 60s ago
    01/21
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    Game Handicap Moneyline Total

    13:00 PM 601 Mississippi +9-113 Over 138.5-113 +Props
    Live! 602 Arkansas -9-107 Under 138.5-111
    13:00 PM 603 Detroit -13-106 Over 143.5-110
    Live! 604 IUPUI +13-114 Under 143.5-114
    13:00 PM 605 Miami Florida +5.5-106 Over 148.5-103 +Props
    Live! 606 Duke -5.5-114 Under 148.5-122
    13:00 PM 607 College Of Charleston -8-112 Over 144-109
    Live! 608 Northeastern +8-108 Under 144-115
    13:00 PM 609 Syracuse -2.5-118 Over 143-112 +Props
    Live! 610 Georgia Tech +2.5-103
    The lines you posted yesterday were wider than the lines in SpankOdds line history and the lines I saw on my account. Same with these ones. SpankOdds' line history show's 16c wide for Miss/Ark at time of your post. I guess Pinnacle thinks you're special?
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  23. 01-21-23 11:38 AM #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by kakad View Post
    The lines you posted yesterday were wider than the lines in SpankOdds line history and the lines I saw on my account. Same with these ones. SpankOdds' line history show's 16c wide for Miss/Ark at time of your post. I guess Pinnacle thinks you're special?
    Guess so I beat them for plenty when they were rolling.
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  24. 01-21-23 12:02 PM #24
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    Spank Odds is very inaccurate
    A lot of scrapping not real feeds
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  25. 01-21-23 04:02 PM #25
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    You can see Pinnacle odds delayed if you do a little searching. Same garbage spreads.
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  26. 01-21-23 04:24 PM #26
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    Not really seeing your problem here


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  27. 01-21-23 04:28 PM #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Not really seeing your problem here


    Not real-time.
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  28. 01-21-23 04:39 PM #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    Not real-time.
    So?

    He is claiming Pinny spread is bad.

    Do you think it is?
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  29. 01-21-23 04:44 PM #29
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    You need a lot of volume to offer tight juice
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  30. 01-22-23 06:26 AM #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Not really seeing your problem here


    Big deal NFL. Lines are like rocks. Look at other sports that can be beat. Like Basketball, Tennis, etc. And get back to me with your numbers. And their Live lines are a complete joke, along with their limits.
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  31. 01-22-23 06:47 AM #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooklyn Dick View Post
    Big deal NFL. Lines are like rocks. Look at other sports that can be beat. Like Basketball, Tennis, etc. And get back to me with your numbers. And their Live lines are a complete joke, along with their limits.
    As stated before, have access to Pinny no vig lines which is even better than their actual lines, granted have lots of outs, but the vast majority of time will find better lines/odds elsewhere.

    The NFL and non-traditional USA sports tremendous at Pinny
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  32. 01-22-23 06:49 AM #32
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    Anyone in the United States not wagering over 5k per game and bets mostly USA sports............... should be hoping for CIRCA by about a 2-1 margin over Pinny coming to their state.
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  33. 01-22-23 12:47 PM #33
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    Do they still have -103 lines? I haven't been to their site in like 15 years
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  34. 01-22-23 07:28 PM #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooklyn Dick View Post
    OK you want pre game odds. These are copied direct from Pinnacle at the time I am posting. Note the spread and now the current limit is a dime. ....Look at the spread on totals. Not even a 10 cent line. And the limit on totals is 500.

    And these are obviously Pre Game lines even though it says Live. Check for yourself the start times and my post time...

    All wager amounts are:
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    Green - Recently added / Red - Just changed / Orange - Changed 60s ago / Blue - Changed more than 60s ago
    01/21
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    Game Handicap Moneyline Total

    13:00 PM 601 Mississippi +9-113 Over 138.5-113 +Props
    Live! 602 Arkansas -9-107 Under 138.5-111
    13:00 PM 603 Detroit -13-106 Over 143.5-110
    Live! 604 IUPUI +13-114 Under 143.5-114
    13:00 PM 605 Miami Florida +5.5-106 Over 148.5-103 +Props
    Live! 606 Duke -5.5-114 Under 148.5-122
    13:00 PM 607 College Of Charleston -8-112 Over 144-109
    Live! 608 Northeastern +8-108 Under 144-115
    13:00 PM 609 Syracuse -2.5-118 Over 143-112 +Props
    Live! 610 Georgia Tech +2.5-103
    Their college basketball lines have been garbage for nearly a decade now. It's about volume and college basketball has little volume on Pinnacle.
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  35. 01-23-23 05:13 AM #35
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    Pinnacle is a Euro book people

    Its not for USA sports any longer other than generic lines
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