Out of the US books, which do you feel has the sharpest numbers?

**flyingillini** · 01-16-23, 09:00 AM

God bless you reload.

**pologq** · 01-16-23, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by Reload

Some take higher limits than others. Some are quicker to limit players.

But out of all you’ve seen, whose numbers are the most respected?

i like betrivers and DK for lines

**d2bets** · 01-16-23, 09:14 AM

Caesars. Not always, but they certainly can be. Over time, they've been the toughest for me to beat out of FD, DK, MGM, PB, Kambi.

**jjgold** · 01-16-23, 09:46 AM

Circa the leader in the United States, everybody copies them

Places like rivers and numerous books run by Khambi are European run generic wide lines

FanDuel makes their own numbers

DraftKings do not know

**Smokey McPot** · 01-16-23, 09:49 AM

Circa then a big gap to everyone else.

**Reload** · 01-16-23, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by pologq

i like betrivers and DK for lines

Have used both and I’m still not limited by them. Ok as outs.

**Reload** · 01-16-23, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by d2bets

Caesars. Not always, but they certainly can be. Over time, they've been the toughest for me to beat out of FD, DK, MGM, PB, Kambi.

Interesting to hear that. I tried the casino on Caesars with a promo. Wasn’t impressed with the 8/5 video poker so I figured the sports book wouldn’t be much better. I keep getting emailed promos so might give it another try sometime.

**d2bets** · 01-16-23, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by Reload

Interesting to hear that. I tried the casino on Caesars with a promo. Wasn’t impressed with the 8/5 video poker so I figured the sports book wouldn’t be much better. I keep getting emailed promos so might give it another try sometime.

Can't quite put my finger on it, but Caesars is not easy to beat.

For others commenting on Circa, that could be also, haven't used them yet but they should be IL soon. Looking forward to that.

**jjgold** · 01-16-23, 10:47 AM

I got banned at Caesars when I used to live in Vegas. They never let me back in the total amount for a two month I lost $500 and never allowed to play there again it’s a punk book

They said I’m on a restricted list and cannot play there anymore. You wonder why most of these books don’t make any money

All I was doing was betting $2000 on baseball and of course betting the other side on a 10 cent arb at pinnacle

**Reload** · 01-16-23, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Circa the leader in the United States, everybody copies them

Places like rivers and numerous books run by Khambi are European run generic wide lines

FanDuel makes their own numbers

DraftKings do not know

Have to agree with all I’ve heard about Circa, JJ. Has looked like a class operation with sharp numbers and big limits. No bans or limiting from anything I’ve seen. Wish they were in more states but the licensing and inroads are costly in some parts.

**KVB** · 01-16-23, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

I got banned at Caesars when I used to live in Vegas. They never let me back in the total amount for a two month I lost $500 and never allowed to play there again it’s a punk book

They said I’m on a restricted list and cannot play there anymore. You wonder why most of these books don’t make any money

All I was doing was betting $2000 on baseball and of course betting the other side on a 10 cent arb at pinnacle

And if you could do it again I bet you never would have made those Pinny bets.

**jjgold** · 01-16-23, 01:35 PM

Probably right

happened a long time ago
Now I bet tiny and they still won’t unlock the account

**TommieGunshot** · 01-16-23, 02:06 PM

Highest limits and virtually zero backoffs or heat. Answer should be obvious.

**jjgold** · 01-16-23, 02:19 PM

Can any book be sharp when they take $10 max wagers from pros in USA??

**Reload** · 01-16-23, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Can any book be sharp when they take $10 max wagers from pros in USA??

Nope. Any place limiting that much has no faith in their numbers or oddsmakers.

They just make juice from hamburgers betting big on the wrong sides.

**jjgold** · 01-16-23, 03:11 PM

It’s circa and the then the rest

**Fishhead** · 01-17-23, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

It’s circa and the then the rest

**bleedblue** · 01-17-23, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

Can't quite put my finger on it, but Caesars is not easy to beat.

For others commenting on Circa, that could be also, haven't used them yet but they should be IL soon. Looking forward to that.

That’s funny. I have a very similar opinion of Caesars.

**sweethook** · 01-18-23, 02:01 AM

reload the 3 i have barstool fanduel and caesars id say fanduel is the sharpest they juice the money line more i don't play it . but if they are off a 1/2 point on spread it seems to be on the right side more than not .. gl sir.

**Reload** · 01-18-23, 06:39 AM

Originally posted by sweethook

reload the 3 i have barstool fanduel and caesars id say fanduel is the sharpest they juice the money line more i don't play it . but if they are off a 1/2 point on spread it seems to be on the right side more than not .. gl sir.

Yes it seems FanDuel will juice certain sides more to -115 and such. Those are usually the sides I want to bet, too.

**jjgold** · 01-18-23, 07:15 AM

Barstooll managed by 3rd party company which manages 4 other books same euro lines
Stay away from The European model books

**weeminer** · 01-18-23, 12:11 PM

Caesars and Fanduel. They're also the slowest to limit and still will give you an ok limit even after they do.

Obv not including Circa in this.

And as a note, Caesars in Vegas is different than Caesars in the rest of the country. That may have changed recently, but for a long time they were different odds/apps.

**dark star** · 01-18-23, 12:54 PM

Fanduel

**d2bets** · 01-18-23, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by dark star

Fanduel

Sharp as in difficult to beat? Nah, man. Sharp as in they know how to market terrible bets to idiots, for sure.

**Frank** · 01-18-23, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by Smokey McPot

Circa then a big gap to everyone else.

This pretty much ended the thread.

**Kaps** · 01-18-23, 01:50 PM

Fanduel and Caesars. The rest are garbage.

**lakerboy** · 01-18-23, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

Sharp as in difficult to beat? Nah, man. Sharp as in they know how to market terrible bets to idiots, for sure.

Yup -118 on the losing side on spreads repeatedly. Thank you though for the--104 for the winning side. Lmao

**Fishhead** · 01-30-23, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by Frank

This pretty much ended the thread.

**Waterstpub87** · 01-31-23, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by Reload

Have used both and I’m still not limited by them. Ok as outs.

Good luck. Bet Rivers limits pretty quickly. I have not been limited by DK, but I am down there.

**Optional** · 01-31-23, 08:27 AM

I can't recall many posts about Draftkings limiting "normal" bettors.

Most reports of it seem to come from known serious players.

So I think their player management is probably reasonably accurate at least.

**d2bets** · 01-31-23, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by Optional

I can't recall many posts about Draftkings limiting "normal" bettors.

Most reports of it seem to come from known serious players.

So I think their player management is probably reasonably accurate at least.

Yeah probably, definitely not as ridiculous as MGM.

Even with limits, I can still get decent volume as DK. Not nearly as good as FD, but not embarrassingly bad. Worth a roster spot. And they keep giving rewards despite the winning.