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    OK now the dirt on americans Illegally gambling

    I laugh when i read some dope got stiffed from illegal unlicensed gambling websites

    Today, the AGA released new research showingAmericans gamble an estimated $511 billion each year with illegal and unregulated sportsbooks, iGaming websites and “skill game” machines.

    While we’ve all known that illegal gambling is pervasive across the country, these numbers provide important context on the reach of these predatory operators—posing a threat to consumers, robbing state governments of $13.3 billion in critical tax funds, and costing legal operators $44.2 billion in revenue.

    Illegal gambling is arguably the greatest threat to our industry. The unfortunate reality is about a third of the U.S. gaming market is being captured by illegal or unregulated gambling. We will use this research to strengthen our case to federal and state policymakers and law enforcement agencies for the need to act now.

    I know this is not a fight we will win overnight. It will require a united industry and collaboration across stakeholders to stop illegal andunregulated operators. But you have my commitment that the AGA is in this fight for the long haul and, together, we can put these bad actors out of business. You can see key findings below along with the full report and industry resources on AmericanGaming.org.

    Illegal Sports Betting

    AGA’s report estimates that Americans wager $63.8 billion with illegal bookies and offshore sites at a cost of $3.8 billion in gaming revenue and $700 million in state taxes.



    In Context: With Americans projected to place $100 billion in legal sports bets this year, these findings imply that illegal sportsbook operators are capturing nearly 40 percent of the U.S. sports betting market.


    Illegal iGaming

    Americans wager an estimated $337.9 billion with illegal iGaming websites, with a loss of $3.9 billion in state tax revenue. The illegal iGaming market—with $13.5 billion in estimated revenue—is nearly three times the size of the legal U.S. iGaming market, estimated to be $5 billion in 2022.



    In Context: With iGaming only legal in six states, nearly half of Americans (48%) that have played online slots or table games in the past year have played with illegal online casinos.



    The Bottom Line: Illegal, offshore sites are taking advantage of the growth of legal gaming to confuse Americans into using predatory, unregulated websites.


    Unregulated "Skill Machines"

    Unregulated gaming machines or “skill machines” continue to proliferate, with an estimated 580,651 unregulated machines in the U.S. driving $26.9 billion in revenue loss and $8.7 billion in state tax loss.


    In Context: With 870,000 regulated machines in casinos and slot routes, that means 40% of all gaming machines in the U.S. are unlicensed.
    The Bottom Line:Tucked inside gas stations, restaurants and bars, these pervasive unregulated gaming machines look and act like slot machines but lack any of the regulatory oversight of the legal industry.

    the skill machines are so called because you have to select the winning combo i play on them only legal ones mostly at gas stations but not lil tiny mom n pop stores no way of getting paid that day on huge win

    the best thing about the state licensed ones no matter how much you win it's tax free you get all $500 win tickets

    i did see one time operator had to shut down machines because of group of guys winning so much that he wouldnt be able to pay that night.

    lot of stores stop shut down slot machines after 11 pm signs are posted to let you know.

    IT's just easy for me to gamble like only 1 mile away each store or gas station instead of driving 21 miles north

    ok that it so fawwwwk you if you gamble at illegal bookie i gaming websites



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    bill i expected nothing less today. thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pologq View Post
    bill i expected nothing less today. thank you.


    OldBilly be like…


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    bill how much you win when playing at the gas station?

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    Thank you

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    Biller!

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    great read, god bless
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    bill should be limited to 140 letters per post

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    Those numbers are known to be bullshit propaganda to get state governments to sign up for legal gaming

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    Of course it’ll be hard to stop

    Quote Originally Posted by gauchojake View Post
    Those numbers are known to be bullshit propaganda to get state governments to sign up for legal gaming

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    Neither governments nor "legal operators" are entitled to that money.

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    Why should the average consumer give a f about revenues for legal sportsbooks? Why should we care if state governments get more tax dollars? Do those state and national officials share their stock picks with us, when they buy something, then all of the sudden, 1 week later, a huge merger is announced and those politicians benefit?

    Fukk regulations. Fukk the government. And fukk "legal sportsbooks." No one here cares.
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    Funny inaccurate article like usual
    Journalist some of your dumbest people in world making $10 per hr

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goat Milk View Post
    Why should the average consumer give a f about revenues for legal sportsbooks? Why should we care if state governments get more tax dollars? Do those state and national officials share their stock picks with us, when they buy something, then all of the sudden, 1 week later, a huge merger is announced and those politicians benefit?

    Fukk regulations. Fukk the government. And fukk "legal sportsbooks." No one here cares.
    agreed. the legal sportsbooks do little for my benefit now so i care as much as they do about me. there is a built in VIG for good profit no matter the outcome.

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    It's crazy to me how poor customer service is w some legal sportsbooks,you only really notice when you have an issue. The fact some of them have no customer service number or make it hard or very limit when you can call them. I can call costa rica books when I have an issue at 9pm but not fanduel. I seen cases that they only really fixed their mistake when the gaming commission gets involved.

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    Bill you never leave us disappointed.

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    This^^. They're gonna drive the off shores out of the states then your only option will be fanduel or DK who will limit you to $8 abet if you demonstrate that you know what you're doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goat Milk View Post
    Why should the average consumer give a f about revenues for legal sportsbooks? Why should we care if state governments get more tax dollars? Do those state and national officials share their stock picks with us, when they buy something, then all of the sudden, 1 week later, a huge merger is announced and those politicians benefit?

    Fukk regulations. Fukk the government. And fukk "legal sportsbooks." No one here cares.
    That's what I do. Fukk em til they can't take it anymore.

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    No respected offshore book ever went bankrupt

    All
    You need to know

    Most been around 20 years

    Game over

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    No respected offshore book ever went bankrupt

    All
    You need to know

    Most been around 20 years

    Game over
    Because you'll say the ones that did we not respected (after the fact).

    What about Cascade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    No respected offshore book ever went bankrupt

    All
    You need to know

    Most been around 20 years

    Game over
    Betjam dsi bodog all 3 were A books and while technically I dont know all the details if they went bankrupt or whatnot I know for a fact they stiffed usa bettors. I know ppl that have been stiffed never paid by all 3. I don't know one guy that got stiffed by a usa book on payout ever. Only offshore book I've never heard anything bad about on payouts is bookmaker. Never heard anybody getting stiffed there but they have high juice. So is offshore dead, no. Is it shady as far as you might get stiffed, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pologq View Post
    bill how much you win when playing at the gas station?

    hmmmmmm i answered this yesterday but here goes again

    2 years ago had nice wins $150 $175 $125 and a huge $350 win but not that much this year $50 $75 $80 2 months ago

    the great thing about these slots is you can preview the next spin at each level from mini .40 up to max $4 even without putting money in

    and when you win top prize of $2000 or $2700 it's tax free you get all tickets in $500 increments

    but truth is i prefer casino slots where i have won $1000's in one night several times differnt machines

    then i take that money and win more on craps table

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    Offshore is so safe if you stick to 20 books that I’ve been around for 20 years

    All the bad reporter from scammers

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Offshore is so safe if you stick to 20 books that I’ve been around for 20 years

    All the bad reporter from scammers
    BetCascade was top 10 on SBR when it proceeded to stiff customers to the tune of over $2 million. Will that happen again? I don't know and neither do you.

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    What is that really a big book? You’re going back a long time

    Billion dollar company’s go down every year in America at least 10 way less than offshore

    For nonregulated markets, offshore wagering, probably the strongest entity in the world

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