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    A perfect example of f@cked up US books

    Read this shit, it needs to be publicized what's happening with "legal books"
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    Salud, Brock. Jerkoff comment by this guey:

    At a gaming summit in December 2021, DraftKings CEO Jason Robbins said, “this is an entertainment activity, people who are doing this for profit are not the players we want.”

    Only thing I'd say is that it's part of the cat-and-mouse game. You get in and get out. If anything, stick it to this asshole JasonR for saying that.

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    Wow. Is Portnoy really that big of a tool?

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    Brocky, one more comment on this:

    *The ID thing is really bullshit. When a clerk READS the line rundown...that is effectively a CONTRACT OFFER.

    Same thing with the # on the board. If player says he wants selection 2103 for $1000...book is expected to honor that line quote.

    Moving off a number b/c of THAT PARTICULAR BET is a bullshit move. Effectively, book is saying that the line is saying that the #s on the board are variable and at their discretion.

    Brocky, you should cross-rough these MFers. Go in for a big bet, watch them move the #. Cancel your bet...and have your body go in for the hammer on the other side.

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    its getting bad

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    I said from the beginning stick with offshore
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    Wow, Betregal looks like they ripped off Heritage's interface.

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    Would like KVB and FISHHEAD input here
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    Kambi books also do some bullshit. If you’re limited they’ll give you a few options. Say I try to bet 5k on a moneyline, my options would be something like:

    1. Place bet at my limit $500
    2. Place bet of $500 and send $4500 for approval
    3. Send full $5000 for approval

    Here’s where it gets strange. If you choose options 2 or 3 they place the bet for you at any amount they want below what you sent for approval. I’ve had times where I chose option 3 and they placed my bet for $95 and told me I could no longer get even the original $500 limit amount down.
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    Kambi books widest lines usa even spreads -112 on the square side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Landers View Post
    Read this shit, it needs to be publicized what's happening with "legal books"
    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Landers View Post
    This is what has been happening in regulated markets who follow the UK model.

    Been saying no regulation is far better then the UK style of regulation for years.



    BetRegal sure sound like a rotten piece of work with that move though. That is just outright stealing that even their self written (no approval process) terms could not justify.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckyTheGoat View Post
    Salud, Brock. Jerkoff comment by this guey:

    At a gaming summit in December 2021, DraftKings CEO Jason Robbins said, “this is an entertainment activity, people who are doing this for profit are not the players we want.”

    Only thing I'd say is that it's part of the cat-and-mouse game. You get in and get out. If anything, stick it to this asshole JasonR for saying that.
    Hard to believe John Avello and Mark Dufty are oddsmakers for this shop........disappointing.

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    These books are trash and people shouldn't play there. I think Bet Regal is still highly rated at some websites.

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    The word is spreading all over social media that most USA books terrible and can care less about the player

    The only thing they like to do is cut everyone limits to five dollars and get promoted

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    Do these fuktard CEOs not see its a volume based business. By the fuk, Pinnacle has been operating for what 30 years of the volume. Hence when they offer -108 lines they get the volume and don't "bet" on a side ir the outcome.

    Adjusting lines or vig is how the book balances. They Wall Street assclowns shit their silk sheets when they hear they lost 100k to a player. That's all they think of is that one "Motherfuker beat us, close his account immediately and withhold his funds for a while...fuk him." They don't see the other side losing plays that make their profits.

    Basis if the business is quantified risk management of line and vig.

    "PAY THIS MAN HIS MONEY, HE WON IT FAIR AND SQUARE"
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    quick look looks like BetRegal are the issue. The issue is Canada not USA atleast in that article?

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    Quote Originally Posted by newton0038 View Post
    do these fuktard ceos not see its a volume based business. By the fuk, pinnacle has been operating for what 30 years of the volume. Hence when they offer -108 lines they get the volume and don't "bet" on a side ir the outcome.

    Adjusting lines or vig is how the book balances. They wall street assclowns shit their silk sheets when they hear they lost 100k to a player. That's all they think of is that one "motherfuker beat us, close his account immediately and withhold his funds for a while...fuk him." they don't see the other side losing plays that make their profits.

    Basis if the business is quantified risk management of line and vig.

    "pay this man his money, he won it fair and square"
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    The problem is a lot of these books around by European firms and using that model not a USA offshore model

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    USA a laughing stock on many fronts this day and age

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    I think you guys just like to bitch. Maybe you like dealing with Bitcoin, etc and getting raped with Bovada's live lines of -160 and +120 etc.

    Idk? I grew to hate the offshores. I'd beat 5Dimes for $4-5K and the MFers would only give me $450 a week thru mone y gram and I had to drive to Walmart and waste an hour each week.

    I'm a smaller player, but I've beat MGM and DK for 2 years now and never had an issue. Of course they get it back sometimes too. I made about $2500 on DK recently in about 3 weeks. Ran up the initial deposit and took a few bad beats and threw the balance of $790 or whatever on Dallas/Phoenix Over and hit. I've been hitting their Single Game Parlay boosts since early April in mlb. They just gave me 10 profit boosts of 25% for $100 max for the Memorial Day weekend. No offshore ever gave me shit past the new customer stage. Goddamn Bovada charged me 5-6% on my credit card even. Offshores suck

    MGM gave me $30 free play for the SB and I hit a 20-1 prop for $600. 1x rollover and it was mine

    Not to mention if you have apps available in your state then you should have brick-n-mortar sportsbooks too. Go bet big over there if you have to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckyTheGoat View Post
    Salud, Brock. Jerkoff comment by this guey:

    At a gaming summit in December 2021, DraftKings CEO Jason Robbins said, “this is an entertainment activity, people who are doing this for profit are not the players we want.”

    Only thing I'd say is that it's part of the cat-and-mouse game. You get in and get out. If anything, stick it to this asshole JasonR for saying that.
    Old news and btw go read the rules on offshore books. They only cater to “recreational” players and professionals are not welcome. Some of you need to man up and go to Vegas or Nevada Brock and mortar. The thing I find funniest is most of the people bitching about U.S. books don’t even post plays. What are you guys worried about? Just stick to commenting on JJ’s penis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred The Hammer View Post
    I think you guys just like to bitch. Maybe you like dealing with Bitcoin, etc and getting raped with Bovada's live lines of -160 and +120 etc.

    Idk? I grew to hate the offshores. I'd beat 5Dimes for $4-5K and the MFers would only give me $450 a week thru mone y gram and I had to drive to Walmart and waste an hour each week.

    I'm a smaller player, but I've beat MGM and DK for 2 years now and never had an issue. Of course they get it back sometimes too. I made about $2500 on DK recently in about 3 weeks. Ran up the initial deposit and took a few bad beats and threw the balance of $790 or whatever on Dallas/Phoenix Over and hit. I've been hitting their Single Game Parlay boosts since early April in mlb. They just gave me 10 profit boosts of 25% for $100 max for the Memorial Day weekend. No offshore ever gave me shit past the new customer stage. Goddamn Bovada charged me 5-6% on my credit card even. Offshores suck

    MGM gave me $30 free play for the SB and I hit a 20-1 prop for $600. 1x rollover and it was mine

    Not to mention if you have apps available in your state then you should have brick-n-mortar sportsbooks too. Go bet big over there if you have to.

    Get into BetOnline and attack

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishhead View Post
    Get into BetOnline and attack
    Exactly. They don't care. $10k on series price available still
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    "Professional" player is not a well-defined term. If someone wants to steal your $$, at least bring a gun and make the guy make a choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishhead View Post
    Get into BetOnline and attack
    I don't like Bitcoin though. I've barely played there and didn't run well, but I like DK/MGM that pay me next day basically. I played Bookmaker back in the day and didn't have any problems, but the Apps and the Caesars casino here work fine for me

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    I was playing Bodog back in the poker boom in 2004. I'd withdrawal $1500 out of $2500 and they'd give me 10% 4 days later on whatever I wanted to deposit. It was like that for 2 years atleast. A $10K guaranteed poker tourney would only have $8k paid in? They were paying me to play night after night. Compare that to charging your credit card 5% now. Its ridiculous. F them

    You play a tourney now and they'll pay out 200 people out of 500 (participation trophy mindset) so come in 6th in a $10k tourney and you can't even fill up your gas tank

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishhead View Post
    Get into BetOnline and attack
    i thought Brock and others were recently limited at Betonline?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbison View Post
    i thought Brock and others were recently limited at Betonline?
    Live betting was limited to $100 at a time. Multiple pops ok
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckyTheGoat View Post
    Salud, Brock. Jerkoff comment by this guey:

    At a gaming summit in December 2021, DraftKings CEO Jason Robbins said, “this is an entertainment activity, people who are doing this for profit are not the players we want.”

    Only thing I'd say is that it's part of the cat-and-mouse game. You get in and get out. If anything, stick it to this asshole JasonR for saying that.
    What's the big deal? This is the attitude of at least 95% of the books out there, offshore or otherwise.
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    So this thread is about an unregulated book in Ontario?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick1976 View Post
    quick look looks like BetRegal are the issue. The issue is Canada not USA atleast in that article?
    exactly.

    until proven conclusively to me that I am wrong, and that might happen, I will continue believing in USA regulated books. I believe this example which is complete robbery happened on an unregulated BetRegal shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    So this thread is about an unregulated book in Ontario?
    Nope.

    BetRegal actually have an Ontario license.



    And it is starting to look like Ontario regulation is no better than the wild west.

    Betregal also have a welcome bonus with 20x or 30x rollover attached. Mainstream regulators do not allow that. Forcing people to play more than they want. It's why you rarely see more than 3x anywhere regulated, and mostly just 1x for AML reasons only.


    So far, USA regulators have been better than world average I think. Just hope it stays that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Nope.

    BetRegal actually have an Ontario license...
    Not according to the article linked above, they may be licensed but not regulated?? (seems strange)...

    It is important to point out that BetRegal is not yet regulated in Ontario.
    They are also the official sports gaming partner of the CFL.

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    Oh, missed that line. And thought they were, or had applied.

    The "yet" is intriguing then. What sort of regulator would approve a bookmaker previously operating unlicensed in their jurisdiction?


    Ontario seems like a hot mess.
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