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  • drenteria86
    SBR Rookie
    • 07-15-16
    • 20

    #1
    Offshore vs legal sportsbook
    For those of you who have legal sportsbetting in your state, do you guys still bet on offshore books? If so, why?
  • RudyRuetigger
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 08-24-10
    • 65084

    #2
    ive always said legal is better



    you pay out the goddamn ass in fees and have to worry about the book even existing after your bet if offshore



    betpoints is "CASING POINT"
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    • d2bets
      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
      • 08-10-05
      • 39994

      #3
      Onshore is a must, if available. No reason not to.
      Offshore depends on a number of factors. And if using, stick to the best of the best these days, and there's only a handful at most.
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      • Waterstpub87
        SBR MVP
        • 09-09-09
        • 4102

        #4
        At this point, I am done with offshore as soon as I clear this most recent rollover.

        All I have left offshore that I am comfortable with are:

        Heritage family
        Youwager


        I could use bookmaker, but with no deposit bonuses or loyalty program, there is no point. Betonline bans my state.

        Draftkings, Caesar, MGM and wynnbet, all great books. PayPal payment in less than than day, to my bank if I wish in another day. No more bitcoin bullshit. No worrying if one day the book will just close up and not pay me. Line shopping normally gets me a free half point on NBA sides, 5 or 6 cents on hockey, a full point on CFB totals ect.

        Only thing I miss is the -105 juice at certain places.

        I was a legalization skeptic up till 3 months ago. I was wrong. It's great. I can't wait to be done with offshore.
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        • d2bets
          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
          • 08-10-05
          • 39994

          #5
          Originally posted by Waterstpub87
          At this point, I am done with offshore as soon as I clear this most recent rollover.

          All I have left offshore that I am comfortable with are:

          Heritage family
          Youwager


          I could use bookmaker, but with no deposit bonuses or loyalty program, there is no point. Betonline bans my state.

          Draftkings, Caesar, MGM and wynnbet, all great books. PayPal payment in less than than day, to my bank if I wish in another day. No more bitcoin bullshit. No worrying if one day the book will just close up and not pay me. Line shopping normally gets me a free half point on NBA sides, 5 or 6 cents on hockey, a full point on CFB totals ect.

          Only thing I miss is the -105 juice at certain places.

          I was a legalization skeptic up till 3 months ago. I was wrong. It's great. I can't wait to be done with offshore.
          Good stuff. Yeah, a lot of people dismiss the onshore before using them. I was doubtful and had no idea how good it would be before trying it. Some of the books are hit or miss, but there is virtually never any downside to trying them out. The more the merrier. We'll see how things shake out, but so far so good.
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          • jjgold
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 07-20-05
            • 388179

            #6
            The only advantage offshore has the juice is much tighter especially money lines
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            • d2bets
              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
              • 08-10-05
              • 39994

              #7
              Originally posted by jjgold
              The only advantage offshore has the juice is much tighter especially money lines
              It's important not to look at a line in isolation at one book. So if you use multiple books, look at the best line one on each side at all of your books and that is your synthesized line. When you do that, you will often/almost always see major reduced juice and/or pointspread differences.
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              • Brock Landers
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 06-30-08
                • 45359

                #8
                Originally posted by jjgold
                The only advantage offshore has the juice is much tighter especially money lines
                Do legal books pay up to 100k in minutes?

                Didn't think so
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                • d2bets
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 08-10-05
                  • 39994

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Brock Landers
                  Do legal books pay up to 100k in minutes?

                  Didn't think so
                  A day or two. I can't imagine how/why that could possibly be a dealbreaker.

                  Sure, the olden days of netteller and sportsbook transfers were nice, but are those even available offshore now anyway?
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                  • Sea Turtle
                    SBR Sharp
                    • 06-14-21
                    • 254

                    #10
                    Clown Brock worried about 100k payouts.
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                    • Jake paul 1
                      SBR High Roller
                      • 01-19-18
                      • 175

                      #11
                      Does JJ still do offshore?
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                      • Jake paul 1
                        SBR High Roller
                        • 01-19-18
                        • 175

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Brock Landers
                        Do legal books pay up to 100k in minutes?



                        Didn't think so


                        I hope you and the family are doing well Brock Landers
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                        • Al Masters
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 04-29-06
                          • 6940

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Waterstpub87
                          At this point, I am done with offshore as soon as I clear this most recent rollover.

                          All I have left offshore that I am comfortable with are:

                          Heritage family
                          Youwager


                          I could use bookmaker, but with no deposit bonuses or loyalty program, there is no point. Betonline bans my state.

                          Draftkings, Caesar, MGM and wynnbet, all great books. PayPal payment in less than than day, to my bank if I wish in another day. No more bitcoin bullshit. No worrying if one day the book will just close up and not pay me. Line shopping normally gets me a free half point on NBA sides, 5 or 6 cents on hockey, a full point on CFB totals ect.

                          Only thing I miss is the -105 juice at certain places.

                          I was a legalization skeptic up till 3 months ago. I was wrong. It's great. I can't wait to be done with offshore.
                          Either way you are dead if you’re counting on bonuses and a loyalty program to help you out.

                          sounds like a guy who knows he’s going to lose his money and wants to get a few crumbs back.

                          If you can’t make money off of a deposit and bets don’t play the game or play small for fun and entertainment.


                          Bonuses and loyalty programs are in place to benefit the bookmaker not the player.

                          Thats one of the ways they troll for fish.
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                          • Waterstpub87
                            SBR MVP
                            • 09-09-09
                            • 4102

                            #14
                            Yep, such a square that bookmaker felt the need the take away all the player bonuses and Heritage felt the need to limit me to 50$ on most things, and lock my cash back at the lowest level.

                            Makes total sense.

                            Don't understand the love for offshore. They don't love you. They limit you, lock your money up behind absurd rollovers and rules, delay payouts.
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                            • jjgold
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 07-20-05
                              • 388179

                              #15
                              If you bet tennis you cannot play at USA books or any other sport underdog money lines

                              The lines are just too wide

                              Some offshores -180/160 tennis

                              That is impossible to beat anywhere

                              I play at broker and I’m constantly getting the best number in the entire world

                              Now I know most people don’t have access to brokers you got to know right people in the right countries
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                              • HAPPY BOY
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 08-10-05
                                • 7109

                                #16
                                I still have BOL..but mostly use HARD ROCK Seminoles in Florida
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                                • rozymikey
                                  SBR Rookie
                                  • 09-06-19
                                  • 8

                                  #17
                                  im in ny which will be legal in 4-5 months. do legal books have 2nd and 3rd leagues in soccer? Womens college basketball? Alos i have been limited by my offshore book. Those mofos!!!
                                  Last edited by rozymikey; 11-27-21, 01:32 PM. Reason: want to add
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                                  • d2bets
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 08-10-05
                                    • 39994

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by rozymikey
                                    im in ny which will be legal in 4-5 months. do legal books have 2nd and 3rd leagues in soccer? Womens college basketball? Alos i have been limited by my offshore book. Those mofos!!!
                                    Most have a pretty wide selection.

                                    If offshore is limiting you, many onshores will also.
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                                    • A Quant
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 05-14-18
                                      • 1357

                                      #19
                                      Off shore is dead to me.

                                      I live in PA-- the competition among sportsbooks is insane, and I can get the best number I want, at prices close -104.

                                      What would offshores offer at this point?
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                                      • A Quant
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 05-14-18
                                        • 1357

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Brock Landers
                                        Do legal books pay up to 100k in minutes?

                                        Didn't think so
                                        You're pretending you cashed out 100K?

                                        Da Fuq.

                                        This guy.

                                        You will never have to worry about ANY book paying you 100K.
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                                        • DISTROYA
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 04-26-12
                                          • 2911

                                          #21
                                          In California, no chance to try for at least another 1-2 decades; but how are the lines compared to offshore? Are they tight and offer a wide range or shit, or just square bettor junk? And how are/if they have, the bonuses?
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                                          • jjgold
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 07-20-05
                                            • 388179

                                            #22
                                            The huge difference is odds

                                            Offshore much better
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                                            • KS1986
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 05-20-17
                                              • 558

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Al Masters
                                              Either way you are dead if you’re counting on bonuses and a loyalty program to help you out.

                                              sounds like a guy who knows he’s going to lose his money and wants to get a few crumbs back.

                                              If you can’t make money off of a deposit and bets don’t play the game or play small for fun and entertainment.

                                              Bonuses and loyalty programs are in place to benefit the bookmaker not the player.

                                              Thats one of the ways they troll for fish.
                                              You sound like a pretty smart guy.
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                                              • d2bets
                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                • 08-10-05
                                                • 39994

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Al Masters
                                                Either way you are dead if you’re counting on bonuses and a loyalty program to help you out.

                                                sounds like a guy who knows he’s going to lose his money and wants to get a few crumbs back.

                                                If you can’t make money off of a deposit and bets don’t play the game or play small for fun and entertainment.


                                                Bonuses and loyalty programs are in place to benefit the bookmaker not the player.

                                                Thats one of the ways they troll for fish.
                                                Can be good for volume bettors. I just ordered an ipad pro, ipad mini and $3k TV from Draftkings loyalty program, for free. Onyx rewards. Good stuff.
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                                                • Headsterx
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 12-03-16
                                                  • 22792

                                                  #25
                                                  Offshore offers more!
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                                                  • jjgold
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 07-20-05
                                                    • 388179

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Headsterx
                                                    Offshore offers more!
                                                    USA holds their own in that department but slight edge offshore
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                                                    • Bluehorseshoe
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 07-13-06
                                                      • 14995

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by rozymikey
                                                      im in ny which will be legal in 4-5 months. do legal books have 2nd and 3rd leagues in soccer? Womens college basketball? Alos i have been limited by my offshore book. Those mofos!!!
                                                      Download the app and look. You're allowed to do that.
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                                                      • rara51
                                                        SBR High Roller
                                                        • 08-11-05
                                                        • 247

                                                        #28
                                                        what other books are in the heritage family sir? need to open some accounts up...
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                                                        • rara51
                                                          SBR High Roller
                                                          • 08-11-05
                                                          • 247

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Waterstpub87
                                                          At this point, I am done with offshore as soon as I clear this most recent rollover.

                                                          All I have left offshore that I am comfortable with are:

                                                          Heritage family
                                                          Youwager


                                                          I could use bookmaker, but with no deposit bonuses or loyalty program, there is no point. Betonline bans my state.

                                                          Draftkings, Caesar, MGM and wynnbet, all great books. PayPal payment in less than than day, to my bank if I wish in another day. No more bitcoin bullshit. No worrying if one day the book will just close up and not pay me. Line shopping normally gets me a free half point on NBA sides, 5 or 6 cents on hockey, a full point on CFB totals ect.

                                                          Only thing I miss is the -105 juice at certain places.

                                                          I was a legalization skeptic up till 3 months ago. I was wrong. It's great. I can't wait to be done with offshore.
                                                          what other books are in the heritage family sir? need to open some accounts up...tia
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                                                          • jjgold
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 07-20-05
                                                            • 388179

                                                            #30
                                                            I thought heritage only has two books

                                                            Wagerweb is not heritage they use the same software as a provider not the same odds it’s their own company
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                                                            • rara51
                                                              SBR High Roller
                                                              • 08-11-05
                                                              • 247

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by jjgold
                                                              I thought heritage only has two books

                                                              Wagerweb is not heritage they use the same software as a provider not the same odds it’s their own company
                                                              thats correct JJ....they share the same skin . Whats the other Heritage subsidiary?
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                                                              • Waterstpub87
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 09-09-09
                                                                • 4102

                                                                #32
                                                                Heritage family would be heritage and bet105.

                                                                I consider wagerweb a part, but that technically aren't. It's another book where it's not clear whats the fill extent of the relationship. From my understanding, they shared a location and CS staff, as well as software.


                                                                Onshore books are all -110, except for the -109/-112 jokers ,not as good as a -105 book. The main benefit is the line shopping. Wynnbet is -105 hockey sides, they are often 6 or so cents better on the hockey sides of want.
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                                                                • Waterstpub87
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 09-09-09
                                                                  • 4102

                                                                  #33
                                                                  NFL props:

                                                                  Even the square onshore books post them the night before

                                                                  Wagerweb/heritage, an hour before the game starts.
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                                                                  • jjgold
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 07-20-05
                                                                    • 388179

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Waterstpub87
                                                                    Heritage family would be heritage and bet105.

                                                                    I consider wagerweb a part, but that technically aren't. It's another book where it's not clear whats the fill extent of the relationship. From my understanding, they shared a location and CS staff, as well as software.


                                                                    Onshore books are all -110, except for the -109/-112 jokers ,not as good as a -105 book. The main benefit is the line shopping. Wynnbet is -105 hockey sides, they are often 6 or so cents better on the hockey sides of want.
                                                                    excellent report
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                                                                    • RoyBacon
                                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                      • 09-21-05
                                                                      • 37074

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Does one get a 1099 from an onshore book?
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