Funny thing about the Raiders and Derek Carr

**stake1** · 11-16-20, 12:02 PM

Mariota finally getting healthy. I expect to see him on the field in certain packages. Agree with you that carr is not a star. He’s basically a game manager like Dilfer was, but not as good

**pologq** · 11-16-20, 12:04 PM

carr is overrated but can manage a game. not worth that contract for sure.

the running game is the difference maker. most qbs can at least pass to the open guy on play action. defenses stack the box, you got one on ones now in the flat and on the curl routes and slants.

**MinnesotaFats** · 11-16-20, 12:07 PM

Teams on D willingly give up 5 yards per rush in today's game while dropping 5 sometime 6 dbs....

Of course you're going to control the clock, move the chains, and win the game if you do this.

Football is still football despite what Rodgers and Mahomes do to the stat books

**pologq** · 11-16-20, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by MinnesotaFats

Teams on D willingly give up 5 yards per rush in today's game while dropping 5 sometime 6 dbs....

Of course you're going to control the clock, move the chains, and win the game if you do this.

Football is still football despite what Rodgers and Mahomes do to the stat books

good point.

**CashIsKingX** · 11-16-20, 12:10 PM

Carr isnt the savior.. Game manager at best.. For sure see Mariota before the end of the season starting.. Or waiting until next season and picking up a young gun.

**Kermit** · 11-16-20, 12:12 PM

Say what you want about him, but there is only 1 QB in the league that has beaten Kansas City at their own game and that was Derek Carr.

He outplayed the great Patrick Mahomes in his own stadium. Carr's stats in that game don't lie.

**Kermit** · 11-16-20, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by stake1

Mariota finally getting healthy. I expect to see him on the field in certain packages. Agree with you that carr is not a star. He’s basically a game manager like Dilfer was, but not as good

Not as good? What? Dilfer never even passed for 3,000 yards and had 113 TD's to 129 Interceptions.

Carr's TD's and Interceptions is 159 to 64. And let's not even get into comparing their passer ratings.

Carr and Dilfer aren't even in the same ballpark.

**TheMoneyShot** · 11-16-20, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by Kermit

Say what you want about him, but there is only 1 QB in the league that has beaten Kansas City at their own game and that was Derek Carr.

He outplayed the great Patrick Mahomes in his own stadium. Carr's stats in that game don't lie.

I can't stand Carr. He really does make bonehead decisions at times. I remember when Gruden used to yell and rip into Gannon all the time lol I wish Gruden would lay into Carr. lol

**stake1** · 11-16-20, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by Kermit

Not as good? What? Dilfer never even passed for 3,000 yards and had 113 TD's to 129 Interceptions.

Carr's TD's and Interceptions is 159 to 64. And let's not even get into comparing their passer ratings.

Carr and Dilfer aren't even in the same ballpark.

Dilfer has something carr will never have though, a super bowl ring. Carr makes too many mistakes, especially down by the goal line

**KRIT** · 11-16-20, 01:35 PM

He is the new Alex Smith. He’s a very good game manager IMO. Don’t see the Raiders doing much, but if you put him on a team that is ready to compete like an Indy or New Orleans, he can probably take them decently far.

**stevenash** · 11-16-20, 01:39 PM

Look at his last seven game logs.
Compare his last three to the previous four.

The pass attempts and yardage speaks volumes.

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**KnuckleHeadz** · 11-16-20, 01:57 PM

For someone with his physical attributes as a QB I can’t stand the way he’s such a bitch. Just these last few weeks he’s starting to use his legs again and that’s made a big difference

**Orbison** · 11-16-20, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by CashIsKingX

Carr isnt the savior.. Game manager at best.. For sure see Mariota before the end of the season starting.. Or waiting until next season and picking up a young gun.

i'm not a fan of Carr but i certainly wouldn't be clamoring to have Mariota start over him if i were a Raiders fan

**mjsuax13** · 11-16-20, 02:43 PM

I’m a fan of Carr the person. His game is up and down. I don’t think they are there yet as a team. I think he’s a solid player. Not horrible, not great. He gives them chances to win and also chances fo lose. It’s all between the ears for that guy. He has the tools.

I’m bias though... I sat next to him on a plane from Oakland to Vegas in February of this year and he couldn’t have been nicer and more gracious. We talked about Nevada, Las Vegas, living here, family, etc... and he was surely excited to be here but also said he didn’t know what the future looked like. I didn’t even talk to him about football because I just knew he was probably burned from the season. Super nice guy and told him we’d be rooting for him.

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 11-16-20, 03:19 PM

You all are finally coming to the conclusion the Carr stinks? He had one really good season like 4-5 years ago and has been pedestrian at best since.

**jjgold** · 11-16-20, 03:19 PM

Most case scenario is you have to run the ball to win

**mjsuax13** · 11-16-20, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21

You all are finally coming to the conclusion the Carr stinks? He had one really good season like 4-5 years ago and has been pedestrian at best since.

He’s what he is... not great, not terrible... just another 6’2” white guy with a rocket arm that doesn’t make the best reads. Above, JJ correct. This is a team that really needs to run run run run.

**khaden** · 11-16-20, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by stevenash

Raiders are 4 and 3 in their last 7 games.
They lost 3 out of 4 and now are currently on a three game winning streak.

When they lost 3 out of 4 Carr was throwing the ball about 36 times a game for about 260 yards a game and comes up a loser.

Now Carr struggles to get 140 yards a game, puts the ball up only 24 or so times a game shoves the ball in Jacobs gut now 20 plus times a game and goes on a three game winning streak.

Maybe Carr isn't that good like we kind of knew all along.

I’m a raiders fan and I’m not in love with DC nor do I hate him. He’s isn’t great but doesn’t suck either. Your point is somewhat incorrect - in the games when the raiders are loosing or playing from behind they need to abandon the running game so DC will be throwing much more to try to come back and score. Gruden wants to ground and pound and run the ball and be physically dominant on offense. When they are able to do that DC will not be throwing much. Gruden is a self admitted dinosaur in today’s offensive coaches - he likes fullbacks, blocking tight ends, and big O-line to punish people.

**stevenash** · 11-16-20, 07:18 PM

^
Why does Gruden love DC so much?

**lonegambler23** · 11-16-20, 07:30 PM

DC is a winner, something kirk cousins isnt

**khaden** · 11-16-20, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by stevenash

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Why does Gruden love DC so much?

He likes veteran QBs, and DC is a good dude who puts in a lot hours and is smart football IQ gruden grinder type, but gruden will move on to another QB if needed and if a shiner sparklier one comes along whether that is Mariota or another one that comes up via free agency. Gruden historically doesn’t like rookies or inexperienced QBs

**ttwarrior1** · 11-16-20, 08:50 PM

its the teams they are playing dude

**mjsuax13** · 11-16-20, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by khaden

He likes veteran QBs, and DC is a good dude who puts in a lot hours and is smart football IQ gruden grinder type, but gruden will move on to another QB if needed and if a shiner sparklier one comes along whether that is Mariota or another one that comes up via free agency. Gruden historically doesn’t like rookies or inexperienced QBs

Khaden is right. DC is a great guy. He’s solid out there. Not great. Not terrible. Just very much you expect what you get from him. I always go back to this... who the hell else are they going to get?

**khaden** · 11-16-20, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by mjsuax13

Khaden is right. DC is a great guy. He’s solid out there. Not great. Not terrible. Just very much you expect what you get from him. I always go back to this... who the hell else are they going to get?

Exactly everybody hates in him because people expected much more out him and he might not live up to the high expectations BUT he is solid. Like you said if not him who?!!!? There a handful who are better than him but I’d say there are many more who are worse.

**209 Life** · 11-16-20, 11:59 PM

Raiders can win multiple ways. Team isn't on Carr's back no more.

**Kermit** · 11-17-20, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by stake1

Dilfer has something carr will never have though, a super bowl ring. Carr makes too many mistakes, especially down by the goal line

Yeah, Dilfer really tore it up in that playoff/Superbowl run with the Ravens. As a QB, Dilfer was nothing more than an afterthought. He didn't even average 10 completions a game throughout his Playoff/Superbowl victory.

It's a different game now. If the Raiders make it to the playoffs and win the big game, Carr will actually have to perform for them to succeed.

**TheMoneyShot** · 11-17-20, 10:27 AM

Does Derek Carr wear eyeliner? Anyone?

**Kermit** · 11-17-20, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by TheMoneyShot

Does Derek Carr wear eyeliner? Anyone?

My wife is a huge Raider's fan, and I've been asking her this for years. She says "No, he has nice think eyelashes"" but I disagree.

**stevenash** · 11-17-20, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Kermit

My wife is a huge Raider's fan, and I've been asking her this for years. She says "No, he has nice think eyelashes"" but I disagree.

They've been asking my guy Brandon Flowers that for years too.

**Da Manster!** · 11-17-20, 11:43 AM

I hate it when people use the term "game manager"...guess what?...news flash!...all QB's are game managers!...Peyton Manning was one of the greatest "game managers" of all-time...why?...he called his own plays and audibles for most of his career...ditto for Tom Brady, Dan Marino, John Elway, Joe Montana, etc...all of them game managers...but more to Nash's point, it's no secret that a QB's best friend is a great running game...makes their job a whole lot easier and makes them way more efficient in the passing game.

**stake1** · 11-17-20, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Kermit

Yeah, Dilfer really tore it up in that playoff/Superbowl run with the Ravens. As a QB, Dilfer was nothing more than an afterthought. He didn't even average 10 completions a game throughout his Playoff/Superbowl victory.

It's a different game now. If the Raiders make it to the playoffs and win the big game, Carr will actually have to perform for them to succeed.

I am so confident that Carr will never win a super bowl, as a starter, that if he does? And we both are still alive, I’ll pay the donation for your Sbr pro renewal when it’s up, or will just donate the money if it’s not up, in your name. Carr makes too many mistakes. Mentally? He’s a soft egg, and that’s why I believe Gruden treats him gently and with Huggies wipes. Qb’s that are soft mentally like Carr, never win Super Bowls. I love the Raiders, and would love to see Gruden win #3 for the Silver and Black. I’ve just given up that it will ever happen with carr as the qb