Is Jose Altuve a Hall of Famer?

[Goat Milk]

This guy seems like he is, or at least was, on track to be one of the greatest players of this generation. It seems he is still in his prime, kind of reminds me of Ichiro. Just a dominate hitter, base runner, leader. Career stats are already impeccable with so much baseball ahead of him. I wonder how he will be judged going forward.

[Bcatswin]

Stop

[Goat Milk]

Stop

Stop what?

[jjgold]

If he has 3-5 solid more years

[cincinnatikid513]

hes on pace

[pologq]

the taint is on his name now. be hard to overcome.

[jjgold]

Steroids way worse

[Bluehorseshoe]

Security will have to buzz him into the Hall.

[MUHerd37]

Not anymore he isn't.

[Mr KLC]

Make his HOF plaque now. He's in.

[SamsNCharge99]

not anymore

[Booya711]

If Pete Rose isn't in....this little "person" has no chance

[hanco21]

Screw that midget

[cincinnatikid513]

piss on the asteriks, hope they finish last place

[TheGuesser]

For surface people, who don't read beyond the headlines, yeah, maybe his HOF cred is effected. For people who actually do their homework, and hopefully the HOF voters fall into this category, the guy was much better on the road in 2017 and 2018, the years he supposedly benefitted from the "cheating" in home games. So how exactly are his HOF credentials tainted?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=altuvjo01&t=b&year=2017

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=altuvjo01&t=b&year=2018

[pologq]

For surface people, who don't read beyond the headlines, yeah, maybe his HOF cred is effected. For people who actually do their homework, and hopefully the HOF voters fall into this category, the guy was much better on the road in 2017 and 2018, the years he supposedly benefitted from the "cheating" in home games. So how exactly are his HOF credentials tainted?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=altuvjo01&t=b&year=2017

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...&t=b&year=2018

its going to be the same way bonds is not a HOF yet. even without steroids he should be in.

[MinnesotaFats]

Not gonna get there

Already dropping off statistically

Will need 1500 more hits for 3000 and he'll be 38 by the time he even gets near that.

Average declining, if he doesn't retire .300 or better no.

I just don't think he's going to hit the milestone numbers for induction.

3 batting titles wont do it. Mauer has 3 as a catcher he ain't getting in.

[TheGuesser]

its going to be the same way bonds is not a HOF yet. even without steroids he should be in.

But there is no doubt the Steroids(cheating) greatly enhanced Bond's performance. He was a HOFer before Steroids, and Babe Ruth after starting them. There's no evidence that Altuve benefited from it, quite the opposite.

[slayer14]

He knew what was coming

[JAKEPEAVY21]

Due to the scandal, as of now, no. If he continues to put up numbers over the coming years he will probably get in.

[lonegambler23]

i always said this guys amazing, always on base or getting a hit in almost EVERY game. then when this came out.. fraud. i bet he will hit about 200 now

[darrell74]

Legit question
Guy was putting up numbers when the Stros were in last place.

But the cheating scandal looms large

[Chi_archie]

Can't forget his speed and SB numbers.

I think he has a gold glove or two as well.

[MinnesotaFats]

Guys careervstats right now damn near exactly the same as Jackie Robinson, who if he was Jerry Robinson and white, would not be in the HOF

[Chi_archie]

Guys careervstats right now damn near exactly the same as Jackie Robinson, who if he was Jerry Robinson and white, would not be in the HOF

weird take to add to the list

my fave was Adrian Beltre being a better power hitter than Mike Schmidt

[MinnesotaFats]

weird take to add to the list

my fave was Adrian Beltre being a better power hitter than Mike Schmidt

Both great sluggers

Beltre 200+ more doubles, 30 bps higher average, 400 less KOs (in 3 more full seasons), similar HRs/ RBI

Beltre more efficient slugger

Beltre 1, ARod 2, Schmidt 3, Matthews 4, Groh (throwback) 5

Altuve isn't going to hit the career marks needed for HOF and the scandal isn't going to help him when he's short on #'s

Guy has 3 or 4 good seasons left but if he only gets 170 hits per and bats .280 ish he'll be way off the mark....yet still be an all star

[Chi_archie]

Both great sluggers

Beltre 200+ more doubles, 30 bps higher average, 400 less KOs (in 3 more full seasons), similar HRs/ RBI

Beltre more efficient slugger

Beltre 1, ARod 2, Schmidt 3, Matthews 4, Groh (throwback) 5

Altuve isn't going to hit the career marks needed for HOF and the scandal isn't going to help him when he's short on #'s

Guy has 3 or 4 good seasons left but if he only gets 170 hits per and bats .280 ish he'll be way off the mark....yet still be an all star

so you only look at cumulative numbers? Weird

maybe Beltre has like 4000 more abs

if Schmidt had that many abs's at his rates he would have had about 794 home runs. if Beltre had Schmidt's AB's he would have had 303 HR's


who do you think was a better Home run hitter? by how much? same for RBI's (Schimidt was way way way better)

doubles would be about the same. loooks like Beltre would hit about 2 more doubles per year.

Beltre's great and has very good longevity, but he's never even been considered head and shoulders the best 3bmen of his era, whereas Schmidt was head and shoulders above the rest for more than a decade.

[Chi_archie]

its was a .19 difference in career BA not .30

267 vs 286

its about 10 hits a year

[Chi_archie]

so you only look at cumulative numbers? Weird

maybe Beltre has like 4000 more abs

if Schmidt had that many abs's at his rates he would have had about 794 home runs. if Beltre had Schmidt's AB's he would have had 303 HR's


who do you think was a better Home run hitter? by how much? same for RBI's (Schimidt was way way way better)

doubles would be about the same. loooks like Beltre would hit about 2 more doubles per year.

Beltre's great and has very good longevity, but he's never even been considered head and shoulders the best 3bmen of his era, whereas Schmidt was head and shoulders above the rest for more than a decade.

inadvertantly used Beltre's Plate appearances instead of AB's for HR comparison. If he'd have had Schmidt's AB's he would have had 359 HR's and vice versa Schmidt with 726 Hr's

[GUMMO77]

One bang a yes. Two bangs means no.

[TheGuesser]

i always said this guys amazing, always on base or getting a hit in almost EVERY game. then when this came out.. fraud. i bet he will hit about 200 now

Explain how his Road splits were so much better than his Home splits, if he was a fraud?

[Cuse0323]

He should be, barring a collapse, but with the baseball writing hoes holding the cards they will never let him in with their holier than thou attitude.

[MinnesotaFats]

inadvertantly used Beltre's Plate appearances instead of AB's for HR comparison. If he'd have had Schmidt's AB's he would have had 359 HR's and vice versa Schmidt with 726 Hr's

Dude, Beltre literally has 1000 more total bases than Schmidt, AND more extra base hits AND has 400+ fewer KOs despite more plate appearances.

HR per PA is similar, per AB Schmidt wins (he drew way more walks). But Mike Schmidt was striking out 150x's per year in the 80s man.... guy was simply an all or nothing player, Beltre much more rounded and more of a threat at the plate.

[gojetsgomoxies]

this should hurt altuve alot.........

mike schmidt vs. adrian beltre? really?

i'm a huge beltre fan and schmidt killed my team....... but Schmidt is 3-time MVP, 9-time top 10. Beltre is just 6-time top 10 MVP (a 2nd and a 3rd........ Schmidt has 2 3rd place votes himself)

i think it's best to judge vs. an era...... makes it simpler

[gojetsgomoxies]

Explain how his Road splits were so much better than his Home splits, if he was a fraud?

that doesn't matter. what matters is he cheated............

a similar example: seattle seahawks have unbelievable home crowd noise but their HFA has been very negative last few years. why? i don't know