Any surprise the Beilen is not a successful NBA head coach???

**Golden fleece** · 02-17-20, 03:34 PM

yeah it was obvious to me that he wasn't the right hire from the start. gilbert wanted lebron gone so he could do a successful rebuild without him around and its not off to a good start.....

**seaborneq** · 02-17-20, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by Golden fleece

yeah it was obvious to me that he wasn't the right hire from the start. gilbert wanted lebron gone so he could do a successful rebuild without him around and its not off to a good start.....

Gilbert can't even walk under his own power now, so whatever rebuild he had in mine is not going to happen. I know the owner never wants to have a player have more power than he/she does, but at least you got to see him in the stands and heard his name called while LBJ was there. Now no one cares if the Cavaliers are even playing now, which hurts the owner's brand and pocket the most.

**IBetYou** · 02-18-20, 06:59 AM

Coach has nothing to do with it. They have a crap team. The 2nd coming couldn't steer this team to the playoffs.

**jjgold** · 02-18-20, 07:44 AM

Too old

Players win not coaches

Phil Jackson was worst coach ever without hall of famers

Thread over

**cincinnatikid513** · 02-18-20, 08:02 AM

crazy they gave him 5 year deal and he's supposed be gone soon

**pologq** · 02-18-20, 01:43 PM

look at frank vogel looking like a genius in LA now thanks to Bron and AD

all you need is someone who can relate to the players and call plays with their input and respect their opinion

**johnnyvegas13** · 02-18-20, 01:45 PM

As a Michigan fan I was devistated

Even if he wasn't the best in game coach he got a lot of recruiting

**jjgold** · 02-18-20, 02:52 PM

Yes but hall of fame
Players helps

Originally posted by pologq

look at frank vogel looking like a genius in LA now thanks to Bron and AD

all you need is someone who can relate to the players and call plays with their input and respect their opinion

**Mac4Lyfe** · 02-18-20, 06:37 PM

I'm a Cleveland fan and it sucks to have the 2 worst front offices in the history of sports in the Browns and Cavs. You had, arguably one of the best player in NBA history and you only won ONE championship? A lot of this is because of Dan Gilbert. He meddles more than Jerry Jones. Can you believe that the Cavs have had 7 different coaches in the last 10 years? WTF? How the hell does that happen???

2010 Mike Brown
2010 Byron Scott
2013 Mike Brown - WTF? Gilbert brought back Mike Brown why he was still paying him on his first contract.
2014 David Blatt
2016 Tyronn Lue
2018 Larry Drew
2019 John Beilein
2020 ????

About to be 8 coaches in 10 years. That is serious dysfunction. The crazy part? Gilbert has been paying multiple coaches at the same time. I believe at one time, he was paying Brown, Blatt, Lue and Drew at the same time because of their contracts. This guy burns money he makes from people burning money in his casino's.

**cincinnatikid513** · 02-18-20, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

I'm a Cleveland fan and it sucks to have the 2 worst front offices in the history of sports in the Browns and Cavs. You had, arguably one of the best player in NBA history and you only won ONE championship? A lot of this is because of Dan Gilbert. He meddles more than Jerry Jones. Can you believe that the Cavs have had 7 different coaches in the last 10 years? WTF? How the hell does that happen???

2010 Mike Brown
2010 Byron Scott
2013 Mike Brown - WTF? Gilbert brought back Mike Brown why he was still paying him on his first contract.
2014 David Blatt
2016 Tyronn Lue
2018 Larry Drew
2019 John Beilein
2020 ????

About to be 8 coaches in 10 years. That is serious dysfunction. The crazy part? Gilbert has been paying multiple coaches at the same time. I believe at one time, he was paying Brown, Blatt, Lue and Drew at the same time because of their contracts. This guy burns money he makes from people burning money in his casino's.

should hire mark jackson

**jtoler** · 02-18-20, 08:38 PM

need players cant win with that roster too young and not good enough. they drafted sexton and garland b2b two point guards if they are trying to build then shouldnt dump coach after one year he needs time

**asiagambler** · 02-18-20, 08:40 PM

Players do not respect him. He is much better suited for college

**seaborneq** · 02-18-20, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by IBetYou

Coach has nothing to do with it. They have a crap team. The 2nd coming couldn't steer this team to the playoffs.

You don't think Beilen knew the Bulls team was worse than his Michigan team?? Those are the ONLY types of jobs that college coaches are going to get. The absolute worse NBA jobs are for good to great college coaches.

**Louisvillekid1** · 02-18-20, 10:24 PM

Bet cavs 1h next game

Can’t wait for next college job

**seaborneq** · 02-18-20, 10:28 PM

Beilen is out. That didn't take long.

**asiagambler** · 02-18-20, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by seaborneq

You don't think Beilen knew the Bulls team was worse than his Michigan team?? Those are the ONLY types of jobs that college coaches are going to get. The absolute worse NBA jobs are for good to great college coaches.

Not really true. Billy Donovan got OKC job when they still had Durant and Westbrook. Hoiberg got Bulls' job when they were still a perennial playoff team. Brad Stevens to Celtics, there are probably some others I missed

**asiagambler** · 02-18-20, 10:38 PM

JB Bickerstaff elevated to interim, this is like the 3rd time he's taken over for a fired coach. Will he actually keep the job this time?

**jtoler** · 02-18-20, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by seaborneq

Beilen is out. That didn't take long.

not sure what they were expecting if ur not gonna even give a coach a year on a team that was expected to do nothing anyway then why did u hire him. since u knew u werent gonna win this year I guess the ticket and concession sales just got a little too low to keep him

**seaborneq** · 02-18-20, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by asiagambler

Not really true. Billy Donovan got OKC job when they still had Durant and Westbrook. Hoiberg got Bulls' job when they were still a perennial playoff team. Brad Stevens to Celtics, there are probably some others I missed

I'll go the other way. Mike Montgomery got the GS job at the peak of his powers, did nothing. Tark got the San Antonio job lasted about 13 games, Leonard Hamilton one season with the Wizards, Beilen half a season with the Bulls, PJ Carlisimo Choked. Just to name a few. If you are a hall of fame type coach you just don't do it. It doesn't work.

**asiagambler** · 02-18-20, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by seaborneq

I'll go the other way. Mike Montgomery got the GS job at the peak of his powers, did nothing. Tark got the San Antonio job lasted about 13 games, Leonard Hamilton one season with the Wizards, Beilen half a season with the Bulls, PJ Carlisimo Choked. Just to name a few. If you are a hall of fame type coach you just don't do it. It doesn't work.

Some college coaches get good jobs, some get bad jobs just like any other new prospective head coach. It's not correct to say they only get the absolute worst jobs which was my point

**krk1030** · 02-18-20, 10:54 PM

I thought maybe it might work at first since half the roster was in college a year ago.

But clearly the vets did not buy in and then there is no chance the young players would.

**Golden fleece** · 02-18-20, 10:55 PM

he did a B line to the door

**asiagambler** · 02-18-20, 10:55 PM

Looks like calling the players thugs was the nail in the coffin

**seaborneq** · 02-18-20, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by asiagambler

Some college coaches get good jobs, some get bad jobs just like any other new prospective head coach. It's not correct to say they only get the absolute worst jobs which was my point

I don't think the college coaches get the best NBA jobs or the teams that are in the playoffs before they arrive. There is a learning curve for coaches as it is for players and usually the coach is the first to go, not the players.

**asiagambler** · 02-19-20, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by seaborneq

I don't think the college coaches get the best NBA jobs or the teams that are in the playoffs before they arrive. There is a learning curve for coaches as it is for players and usually the coach is the first to go, not the players.

What is the very best NBA job? The team that just won the title? Those teams usually keep their coaches so no, college coaches nor anyone gets that job. But I literally gave you examples of teams that made the playoffs the year before and hired college coaches, never mind that the Celtics and Bulls are two storied franchises with a rich history

Billy Donovan may have gotten the best job out of them all getting two top 10 players in their prime even though the Thunder didn't make the playoffs the year before (Durant broke his foot that year)

**darrell74** · 02-19-20, 02:12 AM

Gilbert did the B1G a favor by making Michigan a non-power

**IBetYou** · 02-19-20, 05:36 AM

Originally posted by asiagambler

JB Bickerstaff elevated to interim, this is like the 3rd time he's taken over for a fired coach. Will he actually keep the job this time?

He's a guy that has failed at every stop but continues to get opportunities -cronyism?

**asiagambler** · 02-19-20, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by IBetYou

He's a guy that has failed at every stop but continues to get opportunities -cronyism?

Must be. I just find it funny he keeps failing upwards

Don't remember much about his dad or how well he coached, just that he had a decent Bullets team those few years with George Muresan, Chris Webber, Juwan Howard, Rod Strickland, Cal Cheaney, Tracy Murray, Tim Legler, did I miss anyone? That's actually some decent talent

**Mac4Lyfe** · 02-19-20, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by krk1030

I thought maybe it might work at first since half the roster was in college a year ago.
But clearly the vets did not buy in and then there is no chance the young players would.

Paying Kevin Love all that damn money for him to suck eggs is ridiculous. He's acted an ass this year as well. You would think he would have welcomed Beilien. He's been a huge albatross over the Cavs with that huge salary and still can't carry a team to wins.

**DoctorStrong** · 02-19-20, 06:54 PM

college and NBA 2 completely different animals

**Purduekev** · 02-19-20, 10:55 PM

If I was Indiana University I would be all over Beilein right now. Make him the AD too or let him pick the next one to sweeten the deal. IU will be back on the map if it's willing to write the check.

**rm18** · 02-20-20, 12:43 AM

You cant win with those players

**seaborneq** · 02-20-20, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by rm18

You cant win with those players

He had a better chance winning at Michigan if winning was what he was after. Just a money grab from an old man at the end of his rope. Other than Beilen I don't know of many who thought he would do well as a 67 year old first time college coach.