Leonard

**thomorino** · 05-23-19, 11:19 PM

He hasn't done enough yet but guys who play for Popovich never get the credit they deserve because the narrative is Pop is a genius he makes everyone look great. Pop is a good coach but he never won shit before Duncan came in. Parker was elite in his prime too. Leonard is a top 5 player and if he continues to play at this level he'll be in the conversation for best player in the game.

**BigJay** · 05-23-19, 11:27 PM

Name one NBA Coach who ever won multiple titles without at least one star player. Pop had only one true elite and he won 5.

Leonard isn’t the player he is today if Spurs don’t draft him and help improve his game steadily over several years. Helped turn him into the top player he is today.

**lakerboy** · 05-23-19, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by BigJay

Name one NBA Coach who ever won multiple titles without at least one star player. Pop had only one true elite and he won 5.

Leonard isn’t the player he is today if Spurs don’t draft him and help improve his game steadily over several years. Helped turn him into the top player he is today.

Larry Brown with Detroit over the Lakers. Don't tell me billups was a star

**rm18** · 05-23-19, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by BigJay

Name one NBA Coach who ever won without a star

Larry Brown. Popovich actually had no stars when they beat Miami as well because the legends were way past their prime and Kawai only averaged 11 a game that year was not the player he is now.

**kingdom** · 05-23-19, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by thomorino

He hasn't done enough yet but guys who play for Popovich never get the credit they deserve because the narrative is Pop is a genius he makes everyone look great. Pop is a good coach but he never won shit before Duncan came in. Parker was elite in his prime too. Leonard is a top 5 player and if he continues to play at this level he'll be in the conversation for best player in the game.

kawhi never had this freedom with pop in that system. now he is the guy and gets to do whatever he wants without question and a coach who wants to thank him more than question him. i always thought spurs are and were boring as hell. but watching kawhi with toronto is a whole different ball game.

**thomorino** · 05-23-19, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by BigJay

Name one NBA Coach who ever won multiple titles without at least one star player. Pop had only one true elite and he won 5.

Leonard isn’t the player he is today if Spurs don’t draft him and help improve his game steadily over several years. Helped turn him into the top player he is today.

Poppovich won 1 title when Duncan wasn't playing at a superstar level, and he had Kawhi and Parker, he's a good coach but he's not the genius every one makes him out to be. Poppovich never won multiple titles without at least 1 star player - he won 1 - and that was with Kawhi.

**BigJay** · 05-23-19, 11:36 PM

I said multiple titles. Sure there are a few blips like the 2004 Pistons. No huge stars on that team. But more than one title?? Never.

I live about 30 min from SA so am definitely Spurs biased.

You can say just about every coach who won multiple titles had star players so the coach shouldn’t get as much credit as he does, but the Spurs were a very high seed and even the top seed at least once with David Robinson and never won anything until Pop and Duncan were there.

**rm18** · 05-23-19, 11:37 PM

Multiple

I caught him before he changed it. You dont need to win the title twice to get a trophy or cash a ticket.

**rm18** · 05-23-19, 11:37 PM

I didnt edit you edited after i quote

**asiagambler** · 05-23-19, 11:39 PM

Idiot

**chalkman777** · 05-23-19, 11:40 PM

jordan
kobe
kawai

**thomorino** · 05-23-19, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by BigJay

I said multiple titles. Sure there are a few blips like the 2004 Pistons. No huge stars on that team. But more than one title?? Never.

I live about 30 min from SA so am definitely Spurs biased.

You can say just about every coach who won multiple titles had star players so the coach shouldn’t get as much credit as he does, but the Spurs were a very high seed and even the top seed at least once with David Robinson and never won anything until Pop and Duncan were there.

Pop never won multiple titles without stars, he won 1. All his other title were with Duncan and Parker playing at an elite level.

**BigJay** · 05-23-19, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by rm18

Multiple

I caught him before he changed it. You dont need to win the title twice to get a trophy or cash a ticket.

Dipshit I didn’t change my first post. LB quoted me before you and it says multiple titles but whatever.

**Cuse0323** · 05-23-19, 11:44 PM

Dumb fcks who only check in for the playoffs apparently are.

**rm18** · 05-23-19, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by BigJay

Dipshit I didn’t change my first post. LB quoted me before you and it says multiple titles but whatever.

That doesn't mean anything just that I took longer to type my message than lakerboy he is sipping whiskey I am grinding online poker

**BigJay** · 05-23-19, 11:47 PM

Phil, Pop, Riley, Red, all had at least one mega star and a couple of other elite players. Some had two or more mega stars. Does it take away from what they accomplished? I would have to argue no.

That’s what it takes to win titles in the NBA. Always been that way.

**BigJay** · 05-23-19, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by rm18

That doesn't mean anything just that I took longer to type my message than lakerboy he is sipping whiskey I am grinding online poker

No worries. It’s been a long day.

I could be wrong. I often am.

**thomorino** · 05-23-19, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by BigJay

Phil, Pop, Riley, Red, all had at least one mega star and a couple of other elite players. Some had two or more mega stars. Does it take away from what they accomplished? I would have to argue no.

That’s what it takes to win titles in the NBA. Always been that way.

That's wrong. Riley won in 2006 without a superstar, Wade and an older Shaq were good but superstar level. Detroit won with Wallace and Billups. The Celtics didn't have a superstar when the got to the finals 3 times and won 1 title - Garnet was older and not on Duncan or Kobe's level.

**2daBank** · 05-23-19, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by thomorino

He hasn't done enough yet but guys who play for Popovich never get the credit they deserve because the narrative is Pop is a genius he makes everyone look great. Pop is a good coach but he never won shit before Duncan came in. Parker was elite in his prime too. Leonard is a top 5 player and if he continues to play at this level he'll be in the conversation for best player in the game.

No coach in the history of the nba has won without elite talent. Plenty have lost with it tho.

**2daBank** · 05-23-19, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by thomorino

That's wrong. Riley won in 2006 without a superstar, Wade and an older Shaq were good but superstar level. Detroit won with Wallace and Billups. The Celtics didn't have a superstar when the got to the finals 3 times and won 1 title - Garnet was older and not on Duncan or Kobe's level.

Wade wasn’t a superstar?? Lmfao

Boston had 3 HOFers.

Pistons were the only exception.

**rm18** · 05-23-19, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by thomorino

That's wrong. Riley won in 2006 without a superstar, Wade and an older Shaq were good but superstar level. Detroit won with Wallace and Billups. The Celtics didn't have a superstar when the got to the finals 3 times and won 1 title - Garnet was older and not on Duncan or Kobe's level.

Ban this guy he has lost it, it is for his own good. He basically just said Tony Parker who got benched for Speedy Claxton was better than Garnett, Truth, Wade, Shaq, Rondo, and Ray Allen.

**BigJay** · 05-23-19, 11:54 PM

Wade was definitely a superstar

**rm18** · 05-23-19, 11:55 PM

Also Parker was not even better than Ginobili but that is a lesser error

**2daBank** · 05-23-19, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by BigJay

Wade was definitely a superstar

Of course he was. Anyone who says different isn’t worth listening too

**thomorino** · 05-23-19, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by rm18

Ban this guy he has lost it, it is for his own good. He basically just said Tony Parker who got benched for Speedy Claxton was better than Garnett, Truth, Wade, Shaq, Rondo, and Ray Allen.

No dumb one, I said that Duncan in his prime was a superstar - Boston had stars but Pierce, Allen, Garnett, were older, they weren't superstars. Wade in 2006 was not a superstar, Dallas almost went up 3-0 in that series before Wade got all the calls too.

**thomorino** · 05-23-19, 11:58 PM

Wade in 2006 had no established himself as a superstar - not even close. That Miami team struggled early in the year before firing Van Gundy, they were down 2-0 to Dallas down double digits in the 4th of game 3 before the refs bailed them out.

**BigJay** · 05-23-19, 11:58 PM

Agree Pistons were only exception. I looked back and the only team I though of was the 69 and 73 Knicks. Forgot how good Clyde Frazier was. Dude was the man. You just don’t see a lot of them nowadays like you do some of the other champs of the 60s and 70s when they talk about those eras.

**thomorino** · 05-23-19, 11:59 PM

2006 was Wade's 3rd year in the league - no one thought of him as a superstar at that point - its ridiculous to argue against that.

**BigJay** · 05-24-19, 12:04 AM

In 06 Wade finished sixth in MVP voting, averaged 27 pts, 6 rebounds, 7 assists and 2 steals. Those are superstar numbers and he’d back them up for years to come. And anyone who watched the 2006 finals who didn’t say he was a superstar afterward was watching a different series than I was.

**2daBank** · 05-24-19, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by thomorino

2006 was Wade's 3rd year in the league - no one thought of him as a superstar at that point - its ridiculous to argue against that.

If anyone knows ridiculous it you, see it in the mirror every morning. If you don’t think he was a superstar in that Dallas series you retarded. So what year they have to be in to be considered a star?? He was too young, Garnett too old. I guess guys only superstars for 2-3 years?? Was Bron a superstar year 1??

**2daBank** · 05-24-19, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by thomorino

No dumb one, I said that Duncan in his prime was a superstar - Boston had stars but Pierce, Allen, Garnett, were older, they weren't superstars. Wade in 2006 was not a superstar, Dallas almost went up 3-0 in that series before Wade got all the calls too.

All HOFers dip shit

**thomorino** · 05-24-19, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by 2daBank

If anyone knows ridiculous it you, see it in the mirror every morning. If you don’t think he was a superstar in that Dallas series you retarded. So what year they have to be in to be considered a star?? He was too young, Garnett too old. I guess guys only superstars for 2-3 years?? Was Bron a superstar year 1??

Fuk off

**2daBank** · 05-24-19, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by BigJay

In 06 Wade finished sixth in MVP voting, averaged 27 pts, 6 rebounds, 7 assists and 2 steals. Those are superstar numbers and he’d back them up for years to come. And anyone who watched the 2006 finals who didn’t say he was a superstar afterward was watching a different series than I was.

Or they just don’t know shit. Thermaflu don’t know shit

Apparently not all HOFers are stars!! Lol

**kingdom** · 05-24-19, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by 2daBank

If anyone knows ridiculous it you, see it in the mirror every morning. If you don’t think he was a superstar in that Dallas series you retarded. So what year they have to be in to be considered a star?? He was too young, Garnett too old. I guess guys only superstars for 2-3 years?? Was Bron a superstar year 1??

i nicknamed him "young mike" in that series as i had not seen a player look that dominant in the finals since jordan. not sure wade was ever as good again as he was in those finals. but for those last 4 games he was absolutely amazing.