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    Free agency makes the draft worthless

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Free agency makes the draft worthless
    See this is where you have ZERO clue what you are talking about. This golden state team was built through the draft. They won before KD signed there.

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    Will be crazy if a team like Atlanta or Washington lands the top pick.

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    Zion Williamson has a lot of dollar bills riding on which team wins the NBA lottery

    Jeff Eisenberg
    5/14/19


    When the NBA unveils the winner of its draft lottery on Tuesday night, Zion Williamson will have more at stake than merely finding out where he’ll begin his pro career.

    Which team lands the No. 1 overall pick could also have a major impact on Zion’s endorsement potential as a rookie.

    The New York Knicks winning the opportunity to select Zion would be a dream financial scenario for him, sports business experts told Yahoo Sports. The former Duke star would be going to the nation’s biggest media market in hopes of reviving a historic yet success-starved franchise, an ideal setup that could only boost Zion’s leverage in negotiations with shoe-apparel companies and other corporations.

    “It would be one of the greatest marketing opportunities, ever,” said Sonny Vaccaro, the famed former marketing executive with Nike, Adidas and Reebok. “Zion is going to be marketable wherever he goes, but with the right situation, he’ll pull in endorsements that I don’t think any other rookie has ever gotten. An endorser can’t do in Phoenix what they can do in New York or Los Angeles.”

    Having finished the regular season with a league-worst 17-65 record, the Knicks have as much hope as any of the NBA’s 14 lottery-eligible teams of the ping-pong balls falling their way. They have a 14 percent chance of winning the No. 1 pick, the same odds as Phoenix and Cleveland and slightly better than Chicago, Atlanta and Washington.

    If the Knicks secure the No. 1 pick, Vaccaro believes that could intensify the bidding war for Williamson among shoe companies and make his eventual rookie deal as much as 25 percent richer than it otherwise would have been. That’s no small change considering the expectation in sports business circles is that Zion will approach or even exceed the record $90 million rookie deal LeBron James signed with Nike in 2003.

    Given the size of the New York market, the glut of corporations based there and the coverage from major media outlets he’ll receive there, Zion would have a better chance to land some early endorsements outside the traditional basketball realm if he plays there. You could see Zion pitching anything from cars, to suits, to tech startups, to sodas, according to Mark Conrad, director of the sports business program at Fordham University.

    “I think he could do phenomenally well in New York,” Conrad said. “You think about the buzz of Patrick Ewing years ago, and that was nothing compared to what it would be like if Zion comes to New York. The allure of being in New York could open up opportunities that he wouldn’t have in other places.”

    It’s a testament to Williamson’s prodigious talent and unusual marketing clout that corporations would be willing to bank on him before he proves himself in the NBA. The 6-foot-7, 285-pound teenager has long attracted attention because he’s different, the rare athlete with the size of an NFL defensive end and the footwork, agility and explosiveness of an NBA-bound small forward.

    By Zion’s sophomore season at Spartanburg Day school in South Carolina, standing-room-only crowds were the norm at all his games. YouTube videos of his high school highlights amassed millions of clicks apiece and his Instagram following had ballooned to nearly 2 million by the time he began college.

    When Zion arrived at Duke last fall, he evolved from projected lottery pick to runaway favorite to be taken No. 1 overall by averaging 22.6 points and 8.9 rebounds while displaying dazzling athleticism for his size. He also produced many of this past season’s most viral moments, from dunks from the foul line, to off-the-backboard alley-oop passes, to seemingly unfathomable blocked shots.

    Starring for one of college basketball’s most visible programs helped Zion boost his popularity to the point that he became the rare college athlete recognizable by just his first name.

    Duke had five of the top six highest-rated games on ESPN during the 2018-19 college hoops season, including the most watched weeknight game in ESPN history, when Zion’s shoe exploded. Celebrities such as Barack Obama, Floyd Mayweather and Jay-Z came to see Zion play and tickets for marquee Duke games were going for thousands of dollars on the secondary market.

    Asked if they can remember an NBA prospect with more mass appeal than Zion, sports business experts were left scratching their heads. Some mentioned LeBron. Others went even further back in history.

    “I guess you go back to Shaq, maybe?” Bob Dorfman, executive director of San Francisco’s Baker Street Advertising, said in February. “But more recently, I can’t think of anybody. I haven’t seen anybody have as much attention surrounding him in recent years.”

    How important it is for Zion to start his career with an iconic team in a major market is a subject of some debate.

    To Dorfman, Zion is already popular enough that geography and market size won’t matter. Dorfman believes Zion will have the same endorsement opportunities wherever he’s drafted because of the proliferation of national TV games, the NBA’s strong focus on promoting its stars and his ability to reach fans all over the world via social media.

    To others in Dorfman’s field, the marriage of a supersized personality like Zion and a market like New York or Los Angeles is drool-worthy. They agree that established stars in smaller markets have landed major endorsements, but they argue it will happen faster for Zion if he leads the Knicks back to relevance than it would if he does the same in Phoenix or Minnesota.

    One of agent Mayar Zokaei’s clients is Mitchell Robinson, a 2018 second-round pick of the Knicks who averaged a promising 7.3 points, 6.4 rebounds and 2.4 blocks as a rookie. Zokaei helped the 7-footer land a Nike deal last January, something that Zokaei doubts would have happened in a smaller market.

    Earlier this offseason, Robinson made an appearance at the NBA store on 5th Avenue in New York. To Zokaei’s surprise and delight, eight major media outlets were there to cover it and the interviews lasted longer than the actual appearance itself

    “Do you think that same thing is going to happen if a guy makes an appearance at Foot Locker in Minnesota?” Zokaei said. “Once you’ve established yourself in the league as an All-Star and an all-NBA player, it doesn’t matter where you play, but I think initially it does.”

    Sometimes playing in a major city like New York or Los Angeles can also create organic marketing opportunities as well.

    “Just imagine the type of coverage he’d get if he goes to a restaurant or a club or a party or an opening to a film,” said Whitney Wagoner, director of the Warsaw Sports Marketing Center at the University of Oregon. “Those are just opportunities that you aren’t going to have in a smaller market. He can still have an impact. He can still be marketable. But if he’s somewhere like New York, I think it’s magnified.”

    From a marketing perspective, the most important objective for Zion over the next few months is to generate competition among shoe-apparel companies bidding for his services. Adidas and Nike are the two obvious suitors, long shots Under Armour, Puma and New Balance could get involved if they can scrounge up enough money and Chinese brand Anta is a deep-pocketed wild card.

    Besides that, Zion and his inner circle must decide what other endorsement opportunities are worth pursuing. The key will be capitalizing on his immense popularity coming out of college without reaching oversaturation and facing blowback if his rookie season does not meet expectations.

    In an April news conference after winning college basketball’s national player of the year award, Zion fielded a question from a reporter curious which NBA team he hoped would draft him. The Duke star’s response was diplomatic.

    “Whatever NBA team I land on, that's the team I want to play for,” he said.

    From a basketball perspective, maybe. From an endorsement perspective, New York is likely where Zion should want to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Free agency makes the draft worthless



    I think it's worse in the NFL

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    Quote Originally Posted by sosawestbrook View Post
    PHX will be well on their way as the next dynasty in the league if they land Zion. I’m not saying that to be dramatic & bold. I actually believe this.

    Dbook superstar
    Ayton superstar
    Zion superstar(potentially)

    Bridges, Jackson, Oubre, TJ Warren solid role players

    They’ll be filthy on the defensive side of the ball too
    your Arizona fan boy antics are absurd...Dansby Swanson and Ayton are superstars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKEPEAVY21 View Post
    your Arizona fan boy antics are absurd...Dansby Swanson and Ayton are superstars?
    it’s no fun if you can’t make some bold predictions bro lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by sosawestbrook View Post
    it’s no fun if you can’t make some bold predictions bro lol
    ok but let's be realistic..not everyone that was drafted/played for an Arizona team is a superstar/future HOFer

    Booker is not a superstar either, he is a very good player but he has not made the players around him much better or made the Suns a winning team. Surely the Suns should be a playoff team with 2 superstars on current roster and a great bench?

    Swanson is a middle of the pack SS, maybe a tad better and that is pushing it.

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    Zion is the big grab and will be the #1 pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    Zion is the big grab and will be the #1 pick.
    the sun is hot.

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    If ny gets Zion, Dolan will never sell

    FUKK

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKEPEAVY21 View Post
    ok but let's be realistic..not everyone that was drafted/played for an Arizona team is a superstar/future HOFer

    Booker is not a superstar either, he is a very good player but he has not made the players around him much better or made the Suns a winning team. Surely the Suns should be a playoff team with 2 superstars on current roster and a great bench?

    Swanson is a middle of the pack SS, maybe a tad better and that is pushing it.
    The thought that he is not a superstar because his team sucks is a simple minded thought. Was Kobe making guys better? Is Kobe not a superstar cuz his team sucked post Shaq era? It’s a team game bro. Plus he’s 22 years old. Suns gave him keys to the franchise his 2nd year. He’s still growing in all aspects including the part where you start to become a man lol.

    Ayton obviously not there yet but I’m saying he will bloom into a superstar. Double double average in his rookie year shooting 60% FG? This guy shoots jumpers bro 60% is an insane number. This isn’t DeAndre Jordan where every shot attempt is a dunk

    What kind of aura does a player give off? I’m big on that type shit. Miss me with the statistics & analytics. If it looks like a tiger, sounds like a tiger, smells like a tiger then it’s a tiger goddamnit.

    Leave my guy Dansby alone bro lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by sosawestbrook View Post
    The thought that he is not a superstar because his team sucks is a simple minded thought. Was Kobe making guys better? Is Kobe not a superstar cuz his team sucked post Shaq era? It’s a team game bro. Plus he’s 22 years old. Suns gave him keys to the franchise his 2nd year. He’s still growing in all aspects including the part where you start to become a man lol.

    Ayton obviously not there yet but I’m saying he will bloom into a superstar. Double double average in his rookie year shooting 60% FG? This guy shoots jumpers bro 60% is an insane number. This isn’t DeAndre Jordan where every shot attempt is a dunk

    What kind of aura does a player give off? I’m big on that type shit. Miss me with the statistics & analytics. If it looks like a tiger, sounds like a tiger, smells like a tiger then it’s a tiger goddamnit.

    Leave my guy Dansby alone bro lol
    you throw around the term superstar very loosely

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    One of the more exciting lotteries in recent years.

    So many possibilities.

    Imagine if Dallas won and got Zion to team with Luka Doncic.

    Would Anthony Davis change his mind and decide to stay in New Orleans if they got a top 3 pick?

    How about a duo of Trae Young and Zion or Ja Morant in Atlanta?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKEPEAVY21 View Post
    you throw around the term superstar very loosely
    Yeah well I remember telling my buddies circa 2008 that this lil 6 foot 180 pound kid from Davidson was gonna tear the league up and they thought it was ridiculous lol

    But to be fair I also thought Brandon Jennings was the next Iverson ahahahah

    I’m swinging bro I get lifetime at bats

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hman View Post
    Would Anthony Davis change his mind and decide to stay in New Orleans if they got a top 3 pick?

    How about a duo of Trae Young and Zion or Ja Morant in Atlanta?
    AD wants out.

    trae and ja wouldnt be a good fit in the backcourt.

    both too small to be a sg

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    Quote Originally Posted by allabout the $$$ View Post
    AD wants out.

    trae and ja wouldnt be a good fit in the backcourt.

    both too small to be a sg



    Yeah AD probably gone regardless.

    Read where Atlanta owner has history of taking the best available player regardless of current roster and deals with making it work later.

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    ATL killed the draft last year w/ 3 first round picks. Now 2 more in the top 10 this year they are a team to watch going forward.

    Is the lottery tonight?

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    Morant will go 2nd no matter who gets the pick

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    Quote Originally Posted by sosawestbrook View Post
    ATL killed the draft last year w/ 3 first round picks. Now 2 more in the top 10 this year they are a team to watch going forward.

    Is the lottery tonight?


    Yes tonight...details in first post

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    Quote Originally Posted by rm18 View Post
    Morant will go 2nd no matter who gets the pick
    i dont know about that you will have Barrett sitting there also depending on needs

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    Morant is impressive.

    No way I'd take Barrett over him.

    But like $$$ said depends on the team.

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    The NBA is less position oriented than any other sport and rightfully so. More and more teams are going with the BPA (best player available) approach in the first round. Especially after what dumars did with Darko milicic

    Philly stockpiled 3 bigs with okafor, embiid and noel

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadymcgrady View Post
    The NBA is less position oriented than any other sport and rightfully so. More and more teams are going with the BPA (best player available) approach in the first round. Especially after what dumars did with Darko milicic

    Philly stockpiled 3 bigs with okafor, embiid and noel
    Detroit had plently of big guys it was just more of a bad pick. Rasheed, Ben, Okur, Corliss Williamson. If anything they took Darko for the future knowing Carmelo would of helped for at the time than him.

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    Knicks or Bulls get the #1 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rm18 View Post
    Detroit had plently of big guys it was just more of a bad pick. Rasheed, Ben, Okur, Corliss Williamson. If anything they took Darko for the future knowing Carmelo would of helped for at the time than him.
    Melo was the guy they passed up bc tayshaun prince had a playoff performance that made him. Melo would've been a great fit in that Detroit team. Killed the dynasty before it even had a chance to start

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusherrr View Post
    Knicks or Bulls get the #1 100%.



    Would rather see NY or any of the others over Chicago.

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    Lifelong Knicks fan here and I’m pretty sure it’s going to be either Knicks or Lakers. All of the big sports leagues around the world are rigged as fu*k.

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    Cleveland won the lottery 4 times. Orlando 3 it does not matter if it is a big city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rm18 View Post
    Cleveland won the lottery 4 times. Orlando 3 it does not matter if it is a big city.



    Yep Penny Hardaway/Chris Webber other teams were pissed

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    Quote Originally Posted by sosawestbrook View Post
    Yeah well I remember telling my buddies circa 2008 that this lil 6 foot 180 pound kid from Davidson was gonna tear the league up and they thought it was ridiculous lol

    But to be fair I also thought Brandon Jennings was the next Iverson ahahahah

    I’m swinging bro I get lifetime at bats
    when you claim numerous guys are future HOFers and superstars, you'll be right every once and awhile.

    Jennings went to U of A, so homer pick again there(YAWN!!)...

    was Curry born in Arizona or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKEPEAVY21 View Post
    when you claim numerous guys are future HOFers and superstars, you'll be right every once and awhile.

    Jennings went to U of A, so homer pick again there(YAWN!!)...

    was Curry born in Arizona or something?
    No he was born at some hospital as Lebron

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKEPEAVY21 View Post
    when you claim numerous guys are future HOFers and superstars, you'll be right every once and awhile.

    Jennings went to U of A, so homer pick again there(YAWN!!)...

    was Curry born in Arizona or something?
    Looks like joecool has another account

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadymcgrady View Post
    Looks like joecool has another account
    lol nah not even close but he is a raging out of control homer

    seems like Arizona has some of the worst fan boys ever

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    Zion could just be another Julies Randal in the NBA at best. He's over hyped I think..

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