[firedawg]

not likely

Maybe

[cincinnatikid513]

Maybe

hes never won here not in great form would wait a little while on tiger

[firedawg]

hes never won here not in great form would wait a little while on tiger

not betting him
BUT he could win

[jjgold]

Rory soooooo due

[cincinnatikid513]

looks like weather will be an issue for this tournament, supposed to rain alot thursday might not play much or at all

[kidcudi92]

not betting him
BUT he could win

You could say that about literally anyone in the field


Not sure if you were trying to act sharp but whatever

[jrgum3]

This course is made for Bubba but this field is tough. I'll probably throw some on him but I really am liking Hideki this week so I'll bet him to win.

[cincinnatikid513]

so matt kuchar is a cheap skate


Matt Kuchar defends paying caddie $5K on $1.3M win: I 'don't lose sleep over this'

PGA Tour pro Matt Kuchar is under fire after a payment dispute with caddie David Giral Ortiz from a tournament went public.
He broke his silence on the issue on Wednesday with Golf Channel.
“It’s kind of too bad that it’s turned into a story, Kuchar told Golf Channel. “I really didn’t think it was a story because we had an arrangement when I started. … We had an arrangement Tuesday that David was OK with, and I thought Sunday he was very much OK with it.”


What the dispute was about

Kuchar won the Mayakoba Golf Classic and the $1.296 million prize that came with it in November. He paid Ortiz, aka El Tucan, $5,000 for his work that week.
Ortiz is not Kuchar’s regular Tour caddie, but a club caddie from Mexico who worked Kuchar’s bag during the tournament in Playa del Carmen, Mexico. John Wood is Kuchar’s regular caddie.


Ortiz was not pleased with his pay for the week and reached out to Kuchar’s agent Mark Steinberg, Golf.com reported on Tuesday.

“I am a humble man, who takes care of his family, and works hard,” Ortiz wrote. “I am reaching out to you to see if you can facilitate me receiving a fair amount for my help with Matt winning $1,296,000. I am not looking to disparage Matt or give him a bad name. Fair is fair, and I feel like I was taken advantage of by placing my trust in Matt.


Ortiz declined additional $15K

Kuchar eventually offered Ortiz an additional $15,000, according to the report.
Ortiz declined the offer. He was seeking $50,000, which is the value he placed on his work that week, according to the report.
“No thank you,” he told Golf.com. “They can keep their money.”


How do caddies get paid?

Golf.com notes that $3,000 for a week on a bag for a club caddie like Ortiz would normally be considered a generous offer. But that figure wouldn’t include a payout bonus and win bonus that generally comes with handshake deals.
Verbal agreements between players and Tour caddies come with the understanding that a caddie is due 5 percent of a player’s winnings, a number that can increase to 10 percent in the event of a win.
Ten percent of Kuchar’s victory at Mayakoba would be approximately $130,000.
Kuchar defended his payment and the offer of an additional $15,000, which he confirmed

Kuchar: People got into Ortiz’s head

“I kind of feel like unfortunately some other people have got it in his head that he’s deserving something different than what we agreed upon,” Kuchar said. “And it’s just too bad that it’s turned into a story, because it doesn’t need to be. We had a great week.”
He told Golf Channel that he and Ortiz, whom he met the week of the tournament, agreed to a bonus structure that would have paid him up to $4,000 for the week. He believed his final figure of $5,000 was generous.
“I ended up paying him $5,000, and I thought that was more than what we agreed upon,” Kuchar said. “I kind of think, if he had the chance to do it over again, same exact deal, that he’d say yes again.”
Kuchar: ‘I certainly don’t lose sleep over this’

Kuchar said he doesn’t intend to meet Oritz’s request of $50,000.
“It’s done. Listen, I feel like I was fair and good,” he said. “You can’t make everybody happy. You’re not going to buy people’s ability to be OK with you, and this seems to be a social media issue more than anything. I think it shouldn’t be, knowing that there was a complete, agreed-upon deal that not only did I meet but exceeded.
“So I certainly don’t lose sleep over this. This is something that I’m quite happy with, and I was really happy for him to have a great week and make a good sum of money. Making $5,000 is a great week.”
According to Golf.com, Kuchar is 10th on the PGA career earnings list with more than $46 million.

[vsquare]

Considering it is a loaded tournament, who are the best picks for top 10 finish at good odds?

[RudyRuetigger]

How do caddies get paid?

Golf.com notes that $3,000 for a week on a bag for a club caddie like Ortiz would normally be considered a generous offer. But that figure wouldn’t include a payout bonus and win bonus that generally comes with handshake deals.
Verbal agreements between players and Tour caddies come with the understanding that a caddie is due 5 percent of a player’s winnings, a number that can increase to 10 percent in the event of a win.
Ten percent of Kuchar’s victory at Mayakoba would be approximately $130,000.
Kuchar defended his payment and the offer of an additional $15,000, which he confirmed

yea for a fukkin club caddie it is generous

but most of those guys travel and stay with other caddies.

they have to pay for everything (ofcourse it is a tax write off)

3k is nothing for a tour caddie

[firedawg]

I'm still drunk

[Snowball]

Kuchar looks like a stiff.
Pay the man 50k or be remembered as a skinflint.

Today: Charley Hoffman over Willett
tip from Mike Miller, makes sense.

Tournament: Phil over Tiger

[RudyRuetigger]

I assume it was about 2k for a missed cut, 3k for top 25 and 4k for a win?

could be beneficial for the caddie, esp if he misses cut
once you get the fukkin win, you gotta step it up to 5% of check

[firedawg]

Beer time

[cincinnatikid513]

I assume it was about 2k for a missed cut, 3k for top 25 and 4k for a win?

could be beneficial for the caddie, esp if he misses cut
once you get the fukkin win, you gotta step it up to 5% of check

never been a kuchar fan, always smiling all the time

[firedawg]

never been a kuchar fan, always smiling all the time

Lives down the road from me
Good peoples

[USCPHILLYGUY]

never been a kuchar fan, always smiling all the time

Caddie signed the contract going in. Could have said no at anytime. Then offered him 15k after the fact and the guy said keep your $$. Fuk him. 5k US in Mexico goes a long way

[RudyRuetigger]

id take the 15k and hope for more rounds

[cincinnatikid513]

Lives down the road from me
Good peoples

i didn't say he wasn't a good guy, he might be, that smile all the time is creepy, and the guy chokes big time in majors

[cincinnatikid513]

id take the 15k and hope for more rounds

u just won 1.3 million and u can't break the guy off 50k cmon

[jjgold]

This should be an outstanding tournament with a very solid field

[USCPHILLYGUY]

u just won 1.3 million and u can't break the guy off 50k cmon

Why would he? Guys some two bit caddie at a Mexican resort probably making 200 a week doing 25 loops. Obviously the money wasn’t the issue as he said fuk u to the 15k. Actually the contract only stated 4K if he won. He gave him 5. People with money don’t keep living in wealth by just throwing money away.

[RudyRuetigger]

u just won 1.3 million and u can't break the guy off 50k cmon

i agree with you

but if i was that caddie, id just take the 15k and hope to get on another bag

[USCPHILLYGUY]

So just read the full article on this. Apparently the caddie wasn’t even the one who leaked the story. It was an ex pga pro who started all this. Caddie was fine with what he got that Sunday. 3-4K for a local caddie is apparently the norm

[RudyRuetigger]

Tom Gillis?

wow

but really, if the caddie was ok with it...why didnt he just take the 15k

[cincinnatikid513]

So just read the full article on this. Apparently the caddie wasn’t even the one who leaked the story. It was an ex pga pro who started all this. Caddie was fine with what he got that Sunday. 3-4K for a local caddie is apparently the norm

how was the caddie fine w 4k if he demanded 50k and rejected 15k seems he was not happy w the 4k

looks like kuchar getting ripped for being cheapo which is good, articles all over the place nice,to see behind that smile guy getting exposed being a cheap skate stiff

Matt Kuchar somehow defended his embarrassingly low payment to caddie after $1.2M win

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ftw.usatoday.com/2019/02/matt-kuchar-caddie-mayakoba-5k/amp

[Snowball]

are they going to restart today?

[USCPHILLYGUY]

how was the caddie fine w 4k if he demanded 50k and rejected 15k seems he was not happy w the 4k

looks like kuchar getting ripped for being cheapo which is good, articles all over the place nice,to see behind that smile guy getting exposed being a cheap skate stiff

Matt Kuchar somehow defended his embarrassingly low payment to caddie after $1.2M win

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ftw.usa...ayakoba-5k/amp

He signed a contract prior to the event. So if he doesn’t make the cut does he give him 200 (what he claimed he makes per day) or the 2k he agreed with IN THE CONTRACT.

Im pretty sure he didn’t help out that much. Nice payday for carrying a bag for 4 days if you ask me

[cincinnatikid513]

are they going to restart today?

doesn't look good and they are re starting the round so all players who recorded a score get reset


The next update at the @genesisopen will be made at 1 p.m. PT. When play resumes, all R1 scores will be reset. 10 groups had teed off at the time play was halted.

[cincinnatikid513]

looking like another monday finish for the pga tour, thought it doesn't rain in california

[jjgold]

Rain will Fuk this up

[CHOICE]

Rain will Fuk this up

They should get some golf in today. Rain is tapering off.

[Snowball]

5 Dimes cancelled Round 1 bets

[RudyRuetigger]

here is adam scott

[jjgold]

I hate these rain backlogs too much golf for these guys