At what point will betting sites cut you off??

**mdunlap3** · 01-19-19, 12:43 PM

If you take them large on live wagers or are a huge winner.

**RangeFinder** · 01-19-19, 12:45 PM

Open ended question. it just depends.

Some get cut off for line manipulation, some get cut off for trying to take advantage of mistakes the books make. The ones that get cut off for making money usually take awhile but when they figure you're +EV you'll be limited to a point where it won't be worth betting so you'll eventually just go away.

Bottom line is that sportsbooks are a business to make money, not get people rich or make a living. It would be like a grocery store giving baskets full of groceries away. They can't do it long term. Eventually they would be out of business.

This is why the best bettors have "runners" to make bets for them. They can hire different faces to make bets without detection.

**Joey Vigs** · 01-19-19, 01:02 PM

If you’re just getting lucky and winning, the leash will be very long. If you look to have a clue and are chasing steam or betting bad numbers it’s just a matter of time. It’s very easy to tell which category you fall into, just by looking at history. Obviously depends on the book as well.

**sweethook** · 01-19-19, 01:25 PM

what is - win to much?

**BuckyOne** · 01-19-19, 01:29 PM

Square books do this - I think a siren goes off when somebody has collected 10K in payoffs. Square books are out to screw the squares. They shade the lines and try to charge an extra hook to the unsuspecting square that does not know any better. They want to gamble with the squares and do not want any sharp money. They do not get money from sharps until their numbers have value.

But, if a square gets lucky and wins 10k with square sides - they also kick them out. They do not want sharps or lucky players. So, if you are good - you have to be very careful how you milk the cow or otherwise, the cow gets pissed. Go to Vegas and they are so anal about paying winning tickets. Some sort of syndrome that when the player deposits the money - the book thinks it is their's.

**Emily_Haines** · 01-19-19, 01:29 PM

Heritage - my account was sold by the Greek, reduced me to $50 max and then kicked me out a week later

Betmania - reduced me to $100 max and took me 6 months to complete a 50k rollover

Bovada - reduced to $50 max after wining about 10k

5dimes - reduced to 1/5th limits years ago after getting hot and winning 15k in a week

HRWager - kicked out after winning about 7500

youwager - put me on delay and refused to take me off

BetTD - max bet 14 FCS games and went 13-1, next day was kicked out

1Vice - won about 5k on their NBA promo finished my rollover and then they fukked me by saying they were increasing my rollover another 10x, of course Optional said that it was within their rights to do that. Found some one else that could help was slow paid 500 a month then kicked out.

Only sites that haven't fukked with my limits are Nitrogen, Bookmaker, BOL

**KingKolzig** · 01-19-19, 01:36 PM

stiffin griffin

**pavyracer** · 01-19-19, 01:37 PM

Ask lakerboy. He placed and won a $1,000,000 bet and he still places bets and collects tons of cash from books.

**Shutup** · 01-19-19, 01:40 PM

youwager - put me on delay and refused to take me off

What exactly does that mean?

**jjgold** · 01-19-19, 01:41 PM

no correct answer

DONT WORRY ABOUT IT BECAUSE RARELY HAPPENS unless your a bonus scammer

**Slipknot26** · 01-19-19, 01:41 PM

One simple question .
How often do you beat the Closing Line ?
If the majority of the time, they want nothing to do with you long term .
Everything else is streaks , evens out long term .

**pavyracer** · 01-19-19, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Shutup

What exactly does that mean?

It's a bullshit tactic online books use when you pick winners.

**Shutup** · 01-19-19, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

It's a bullshit tactic online books use when you pick winners.

I mean what are they actually doing by putting you on delay? Does that mean when you make a play it isn't approved automatically? It has to be approved by a manager or something?

**pavyracer** · 01-19-19, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by Shutup

I mean what are they actually doing by putting you on delay? Does that mean when you make a play it isn't approved automatically? It has to be approved by a manager or something?

They don't process the bet immediately. Someone looks up what you bet and offers you a worse line that was offered originally.

**Emily_Haines** · 01-19-19, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

They don't process the bet immediately. Someone looks up what you bet and offers you a worse line that was offered originally.

Yep and those losers call me all the time and beg me to deposit.

I tell them to take me off delay and I'll deposit.

They tell me to clear my cache and that should fix the problem

**Johnnythunder** · 01-19-19, 02:03 PM

If only your political prognostications were as sharp as your betting exploits.

Originally posted by Emily_Haines

Heritage - my account was sold by the Greek, reduced me to $50 max and then kicked me out a week later

Betmania - reduced me to $100 max and took me 6 months to complete a 50k rollover

Bovada - reduced to $50 max after wining about 10k

5dimes - reduced to 1/5th limits years ago after getting hot and winning 15k in a week

HRWager - kicked out after winning about 7500

youwager - put me on delay and refused to take me off

BetTD - max bet 14 FCS games and went 13-1, next day was kicked out

1Vice - won about 5k on their NBA promo finished my rollover and then they fukked me by saying they were increasing my rollover another 10x, of course Optional said that it was within their rights to do that. Found some one else that could help was slow paid 500 a month then kicked out.

Only sites that haven't fukked with my limits are Nitrogen, Bookmaker, BOL

**Esco** · 01-19-19, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by sweethook

what is - win to much?

Good question. Lets say you make on average about $2,000 to $3,000 per week.

How long before they ban (or limit) you??

**BuckyOne** · 01-19-19, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Esco

Good question. Lets say you make on average about $2,000 to $3,000 per week.

How long before they ban (or limit) you??

The ones in question will cut your limits within a week or two. Most likely to 100 max. I can confirm the 1Vice and HRWager limit cuts.

Also, add Betus and the World Graming companies like Carbon Sports who reduce and or kick out. The Vegas guys say William Hill kicks you out for winning.

But, if you can win you can win and you can play and win anywhere. They will pay unless you bet correlated parlays or some shenanigan? I guess I would not trust anybody to run a balance over 5k - I would spread it to 10 sites. The magic # on payouts seems to be around 2k. 5k payouts start to raise eyebrows. I do not feel sorry for anybody who runs a balance to 15k and then gets slow paid or screwed.

This day and age of bitcoin you can move it - stockpile it in a bitcoin exchange after you have exchanged it to USD. LOL, that is the catch 22 - if all you can beat is the soft books you really are not very good - not an originator. You cannot get screwed out of 25k unless you do something stupid like having it all at one place.

**Esco** · 01-19-19, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by BuckyOne

The ones in question will cut your limits within a week or two. Most likely to 100 max. I can confirm the 1Vice and HRWager limit cuts.

Also, add Betus and the World Graming companies like Carbon Sports who reduce and or kick out. The Vegas guys say William Hill kicks you out for winning

Thats what I figured. So very few pros are making money on online sites, unless they spread their deposits out over a dozen different sites or so. Is that about right??

**BuckyOne** · 01-19-19, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by Esco

Thats what I figured. So very few pros are making money on online sites, unless they spread their deposits out over a dozen different sites or so. Is that about right??

That is my analysis. I just think you will burn up your outs if you tag somebody too hard. You are approaching it the right way. It is important to know how much you can win and where. The under the radar technique. If somebody is surviving on soft numbers and steam - there is a limit on how long you can do that at a lot of places. The people with sharp numbers will profile you and pretty soon those numbers no longer have value.

Hey, it is just my opinion based on my experience but there is a game within the game. You can get away from some of this by becoming a highly skilled originator. The world is your oyster then. But, the last 20 years - everytime I found somebody I could tag = other people could to and they went teats up.

Sportsinteraction
ESB
WSEX
Aces Gold
Bowmans
Canbet
Betonsports
WWTS

Players that were sharp totally butchered some of these books and the list could be at least 10-15 longer. There are good players - pros - pros pros, etc. There are people winning - it can be done. I wish you the best!

**Esco** · 01-19-19, 04:17 PM

The best way to win at sports betting is doing it through a betting exchange like Betfair.com. They actually make money when you make money too. And they also make money when you lose money....LOL.

Problem is they are not open to Canadians anymore. Which really sucks

**shocka1212** · 01-19-19, 04:29 PM

live betting gets you cut off the fastest

**Joey Vigs** · 01-19-19, 04:29 PM

HR wager is a clown book. They want donations only.

**BuckyOne** · 01-19-19, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Esco

The best way to win at sports betting is doing it through a betting exchange like Betfair.com. They actually make money when you make money too. And they also make money when you lose money....LOL.

Problem is they are not open to Canadians anymore. Which really sucks

I agree but their 20% surcharge on winnings sucked. I do think sharps beat the crap out of their marketmakers. Greened it out and did not collect much from the sharps.

**sweethook** · 01-19-19, 05:50 PM

where is the book at ?

**Esco** · 01-19-19, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by BuckyOne

I agree but their 20% surcharge on winnings sucked

I thought it was only 5% they took

**jjgold** · 01-19-19, 06:49 PM

Waco don’t worry you’ll always have an old 🚗

Nobody becomes rich betting sports

**ans61201** · 01-19-19, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by BuckyOne

Square books do this - I think a siren goes off when somebody has collected 10K in payoffs. Square books are out to screw the squares. They shade the lines and try to charge an extra hook to the unsuspecting square that does not know any better. They want to gamble with the squares and do not want any sharp money. They do not get money from sharps until their numbers have value.

But, if a square gets lucky and wins 10k with square sides - they also kick them out. They do not want sharps or lucky players. So, if you are good - you have to be very careful how you milk the cow or otherwise, the cow gets pissed. Go to Vegas and they are so anal about paying winning tickets. Some sort of syndrome that when the player deposits the money - the book thinks it is their's.

I’d love to hear about winning tickets you had trouble cashing in Vegas lol

**lonegambler23** · 01-19-19, 07:00 PM

lol worry about winning first pal

**vinnykal2323** · 01-19-19, 07:07 PM

i won 20k in 1 weekend on youwager just playing the Bet Builder. they limited me on Bet Builder but didnt limit me on anything else

**TheMetsSuck** · 01-19-19, 07:13 PM

I had over 200k in heritage and 5dimes and never had any issues. I think they realized it was just a hot streak based on my 7 years of just pissing away money prior. Some of my wagers were limited to lower amounts but I could still bet like 10k on an nba 2nd half etc. Never had a hassle with payouts either. It just took forever to get out the money before the bitcoin days.

**Big Bear** · 01-19-19, 07:14 PM

If you do a charge back or if you cuss out Tony etc

**Emily_Haines** · 01-19-19, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by Big Bear

If you do a charge back or if you cuss out Tony etc

Tony changed my account to internet only for complaining.

I would call in and try to make bets and CS would tell me to fukk off.

**TheMetsSuck** · 01-19-19, 07:31 PM

Yea, when tony was presumed to be alive it was always wise to not be an a hole or rude to his employees or to try and take shots. There had to have been a million threads about him here and on the other forum. There was an error in the online casino of some sort where i got hosed out of like a 1500$ roulette win but there was some kind of unknown error that led them to tell me no action. I took down the necessary info and brought my case to tony and he paid me for it. Better to be kind and respectful when pleading your case then to be rude and hot headed demanding things.